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I know - it's like looking for John Smith. I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless. But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins. He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have
Lynne
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Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat? Eliz
On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!! Lynne _._,_._,_
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Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc. I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook < elizcook@...> wrote: Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat? Eliz Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!! Lynne
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Pity. my guys boarded the boat in Glasgow. Little bits of info make up the jigsaw.keep looking Eliz
On 3 Jul 2020, at 11:18 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc. I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information. On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook < elizcook@...> wrote: Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat? Eliz Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!! Lynne
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Nope - nothing - there are no immigration records. And I was told by Durie and Dobson that pre-1800 I shouldn't expect any immigration documentation at all. There just aren't any records that I - or they - have been able to find.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook < elizcook@...> wrote: Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat? Eliz Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!! Lynne
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I'm happy to keep on looking - but there's no place to look that I can find - that's the reason I'm sharing this with you all. As I just said - experienced researchers Durie and Dobson told me to forget it - that there wasn't anything to find pre-1800. I'm just not willing to throw in the towel.
Lynne
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:24 PM Eliz Cook < elizcook@...> wrote: Pity. my guys boarded the boat in Glasgow. Little bits of info make up the jigsaw.keep looking Eliz Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc. I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information. On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook < elizcook@...> wrote: Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat? Eliz Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!! Lynne
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You give their children..are the 2nd names you give MARRIED names, or in
fact a second name of the child? IF in fact, they are 2nd names you should
also check out them. For example......Rankin to me, would indicate
someone’s grandmother’s maiden name. Also the spellings.....the way you
have spelled Christina..CHRISTIANA....never saw that spelling before.....try
‘messing’ with spellings and see what comes up. DUNCAN may be shortened to
Dunc.......Look for a marriage between Dunc and Christ** using wild
cards.....but don’t give up on it. Duncan Campbell is like looking for Joe
Smith in New York city..how many do you think there were? dig deep.....and
Good luck......Goldie
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From: Lynne Roberts
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:02 PM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Looking for Duncan
Campbell...
I'm happy to keep on looking - but there's no place to look that I
can find - that's the reason I'm sharing this with you all. As I just said
- experienced researchers Durie and Dobson told me to forget it - that there
wasn't anything to find pre-1800. I'm just not willing to throw in the
towel.
Lynne
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:24 PM Eliz Cook
<elizcook@...> wrote:
Pity. my guys boarded the boat in Glasgow. Little bits of info make up
the jigsaw.keep looking
Eliz
Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his
name etc. I have found not a single document including will and
probate that includes that information.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook
< elizcook@...> wrote:
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?
Eliz
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only
opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records -
is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that
I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he
came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National
Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found
very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found
nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with
his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and
stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never
found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and
catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then
moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of
his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court
records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was
through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very
useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire
area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the
naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to
eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar
1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he
came from!!!
Lynne
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Hi
Lynne
There
are a lot on family trees on Ancestry with not much info but there was one with
the same information as yours. Not sure if it your family but it some to work
on
On
her tree she has the following.
Duncan
Campbell / Camble
Birth
5 May 1768 Argylleshire, Scotland, Great Britain
Death
25 September 1850 Radnor, Delaware County. Ohio. USA
Parents
Alexander
Campbell about b1741 Innerhadden, Fortingall, Perthshire
Katherine/Catherine
McPhail About b 1741 Innerhadden, Fortingall, Perthshire
They
were married 19 April 1766 Fortingall Perthshire.
Two
Chrildren
Donald
Campbell 1766
Duncan
Campbell or Camble c b1768
Different
spelling names
Dorst
-- Darst
Wise
– Weiss
Peter
Campbell born about 1807 Pennsylvania & died 28 July 1865 Rochester, Racina
Co. Wisconsin, USA. Married Elizabeth Winn 24 Jan 1836 Saint Joseph, Indiana,
USA
She
also has this record in her tree for a soldier pension might be worth looking
into.
UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier
Service Records, 1760-1920
Name Duncan Campbel
Enlistment Age 32
Discharge
Age 46
Birth Date 1768
Birth Place Glenorclay Argyle
Enlistment Year 1800
Discharge Year 1814
Regiment 2nd Battalion 79th
Regiment Of Foot
This
below is an Ancestry record for a Baptism .
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Name:
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Duncan
Campbell
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Gender:
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Male
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Baptism Date:
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31
Jul 1768
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Baptism Place:
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Fortingall,
Perth, Scotland
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Father:
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Alexander Campbell
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Mother:
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Katharin
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FHL Film Number:
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1040116,
0102727
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I have search Scotland People and found these records
for the Campbell family
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Marriage of CAMPBELL
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ALEXANDER
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KATHARIN MC PHAIL M
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19/04/1766
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355/A
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10 231
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Fortingall
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Birth of CAMPBELL
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DONALD
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ALEXANDER CAMPBELL/KATRIN MC PHAIL FR116
(FR116)
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M
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27/03/1766
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355/A
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10 109
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Fortingall
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Birth of CAMPBELL
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DUNCAN
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ALEXANDER CAMPBELL/KATHARIN
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M
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31/07/1768
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355/A
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10 114
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Fortingall
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Hope
this helps
Josephine
Qld
Aust.
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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynne Roberts
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 9:16 AM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Looking for Duncan Campbell...
I know - it's like looking for John Smith. I've had
experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some
help, but in effect said it was hopeless. But hope springs eternal - and
I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and
only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is
a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no
idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I
went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People
had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters
- had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When
he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to
Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.
Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and
catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on
to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and
where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I
thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming
patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on
families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it
extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE
family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar
1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society -
helpful but not for origins. He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd
love to know where he came from!!!
Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have
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Hi Elizabeth;
If you haven’t already checked .... There are a number of trees on Ancestry
that have these individuals. You might find something in one or more of
them.
Blessings,
Donald Young
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Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Looking for Duncan
Campbell...
Does
the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?
Eliz
On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts
<lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only
opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a
complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no
idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.
I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's
People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and
letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family
research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter
Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to
moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA.
I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County,
OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for
the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court
records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through
traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think
I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I
found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't
identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came
from!!!
Lynne
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Hi Lynne, I know - it's like looking for John Smith. I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless.
But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.
My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People
had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife
Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched
and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being
naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line
on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins. He just wasn't talking
and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have
Lynne
When you have found all you can about a person or family, then it's time to investigate their FAN club. What's that? Family, Associates, and Neighbors. I'm sure we've all heard (and usually ignored)the advice to always read the 3 pages before your family in the census, and the 3 pages after. Well, that's one way to start -- look at the earliest records you have, and who the family, associates and neighbors are. Move forward through time, and notice who shows up. Who are the witnesses? Pallbearers? What families did the children marry into?
Begin with doing thorough research of any siblings or other close relatives who may have preceded them to Pennsylvania and then Ohio? Or accompanied them, and came later to join them? Have you checked old newspapers for social stories about the family? People usually came to a new place for a reason, and very often traveled with locals if not family.
Hope this helps,
Valorie
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I found this on him on bing search it seems tobe the same person
On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 04:16:37 PM MST, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
I know - it's like looking for John Smith. I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless. But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins. He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have
Lynne
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Sorry - should have made it clearer - Toothaker, Rankin and Wise are the girls married names - none of the family had middle names. That didn't start until the next generation - my great grandmother was Emma Maline Campbell - daughter of son Peter who is my 2nd great grandfather. And don't think I don't know how common the name Duncan is - when I talked to Durie and gave him the name, he laughed out loud and told me to forget it. As you can see, I didn't take his advice.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:51 PM Goldie & Lido Doratti < lidogold2@...> wrote:
You give their children..are the 2nd names you give MARRIED names, or in
fact a second name of the child? IF in fact, they are 2nd names you should
also check out them. For example......Rankin to me, would indicate
someone’s grandmother’s maiden name. Also the spellings.....the way you
have spelled Christina..CHRISTIANA....never saw that spelling before.....try
‘messing’ with spellings and see what comes up. DUNCAN may be shortened to
Dunc.......Look for a marriage between Dunc and Christ** using wild
cards.....but don’t give up on it. Duncan Campbell is like looking for Joe
Smith in New York city..how many do you think there were? dig deep.....and
Good luck......Goldie
From: Lynne Roberts
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:02 PM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Looking for Duncan
Campbell...
I'm happy to keep on looking - but there's no place to look that I
can find - that's the reason I'm sharing this with you all. As I just said
- experienced researchers Durie and Dobson told me to forget it - that there
wasn't anything to find pre-1800. I'm just not willing to throw in the
towel.
Lynne
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:24 PM Eliz Cook
<elizcook@...> wrote:
Pity. my guys boarded the boat in Glasgow. Little bits of info make up
the jigsaw.keep looking
Eliz
On 3 Jul 2020, at 11:18 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his
name etc. I have found not a single document including will and
probate that includes that information.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook
<elizcook@...> wrote:
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?
Eliz
On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only
opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records -
is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that
I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he
came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National
Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found
very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found
nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with
his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and
stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never
found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and
catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then
moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of
his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court
records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was
through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very
useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire
area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the
naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to
eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar
1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he
came from!!!
Lynne
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This information is clearly a mishmash of information - some accurate and some not and much completely unrelated - someone has combined a lot of various Campbells and assumed that they are related and they are not. The information about Duncan's burial is relevant but doesn't match other data that I have documented. On Scotland's People I found many baptism records that were close but none were spot on. And I should note that Duncan was not Anglican or Presbyterian - he was Methodist.
However, I will spend some time going over this material - it looks familiar - think I've "been there before" - but it's worth a second look. Thanks
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 8:02 PM Josephine Conray < javc@...> wrote:
Hi
Lynne
There
are a lot on family trees on Ancestry with not much info but there was one with
the same information as yours. Not sure if it your family but it some to work
on
On
her tree she has the following.
Duncan
Campbell / Camble
Birth
5 May 1768 Argylleshire, Scotland, Great Britain
Death
25 September 1850 Radnor, Delaware County. Ohio. USA
Parents
Alexander
Campbell about b1741 Innerhadden, Fortingall, Perthshire
Katherine/Catherine
McPhail About b 1741 Innerhadden, Fortingall, Perthshire
They
were married 19 April 1766 Fortingall Perthshire.
Two
Chrildren
Donald
Campbell 1766
Duncan
Campbell or Camble c b1768
Different
spelling names
Dorst
-- Darst
Wise
– Weiss
Peter
Campbell born about 1807 Pennsylvania & died 28 July 1865 Rochester, Racina
Co. Wisconsin, USA. Married Elizabeth Winn 24 Jan 1836 Saint Joseph, Indiana,
USA
She
also has this record in her tree for a soldier pension might be worth looking
into.
UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier
Service Records, 1760-1920
Name Duncan Campbel
Enlistment Age 32
Discharge
Age 46
Birth Date 1768
Birth Place Glenorclay Argyle
Enlistment Year 1800
Discharge Year 1814
Regiment 2nd Battalion 79th
Regiment Of Foot
This
below is an Ancestry record for a Baptism .
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Name:
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Duncan
Campbell
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Gender:
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Male
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Baptism Date:
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31
Jul 1768
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Baptism Place:
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Fortingall,
Perth, Scotland
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Father:
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Alexander Campbell
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Mother:
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Katharin
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FHL Film Number:
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1040116,
0102727
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I have search Scotland People and found these records
for the Campbell family
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Marriage of CAMPBELL
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ALEXANDER
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KATHARIN MC PHAIL M
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19/04/1766
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355/A
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10 231
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Fortingall
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Birth of CAMPBELL
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DONALD
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ALEXANDER CAMPBELL/KATRIN MC PHAIL FR116
(FR116)
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M
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27/03/1766
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355/A
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10 109
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Fortingall
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Birth of CAMPBELL
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DUNCAN
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ALEXANDER CAMPBELL/KATHARIN
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M
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31/07/1768
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355/A
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10 114
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Fortingall
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Hope
this helps
Josephine
Qld
Aust.
I know - it's like looking for John Smith. I've had
experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some
help, but in effect said it was hopeless. But hope springs eternal - and
I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and
only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is
a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no
idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I
went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People
had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters
- had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When
he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to
Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.
Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and
catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on
to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and
where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I
thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming
patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on
families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it
extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE
family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar
1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society -
helpful but not for origins. He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd
love to know where he came from!!!
Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have
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Trust me - I have - I am a great believer in researching every aspect of their lives - relatives and friends etc etc - to the extent of spending over a week in Delaware and Licking Counties pouring over court and local records - visiting cemeteries (the one in Radnor is really lovely) - and pursuing every lead I could find. The full extent of my research is on my website in the Norwood files at http://www.lynnesgenealogy.com.
I would research other relatives if I knew who they were and where they were from. I suspect that if there had been relatives who arrived before them, they would have been in Pennsylvania and I have never been able to identify where they settled on arrival. They were in PA for about 10 years - long enough for three children to be born - before they moved on to Licking County, OH where there are good records. I have always thought that their settling in Pennsylvania was the best and the most inconclusive information I picked up about them - has never paid off for me. But I keep looking.
Hi Lynne, I know - it's like looking for John Smith. I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless.
But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.
My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People
had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife
Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched
and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being
naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line
on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins. He just wasn't talking
and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have
Lynne
When you have found all you can about a person or family, then it's time to investigate their FAN club. What's that? Family, Associates, and Neighbors. I'm sure we've all heard (and usually ignored)the advice to always read the 3 pages before your family in the census, and the 3 pages after. Well, that's one way to start -- look at the earliest records you have, and who the family, associates and neighbors are. Move forward through time, and notice who shows up. Who are the witnesses? Pallbearers? What families did the children marry into?
Begin with doing thorough research of any siblings or other close relatives who may have preceded them to Pennsylvania and then Ohio? Or accompanied them, and came later to join them? Have you checked old newspapers for social stories about the family? People usually came to a new place for a reason, and very often traveled with locals if not family.
Hope this helps,
Valorie
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A couple ideas.....
FAN club ... Is anyone listed as witnesses on court documents (land records, Wills/probate), church records (baptism, marriage etc), newspaper records, neighbour in census records. Have you traced Christina as well? There’s a very interesting webinar on Legacy Webinar called “ The Five-story Fall: Correlating Indirect and Direct Evidence...” That provides an example of using the FAN club and unusual sources to extend research. (Legacy often provides some of their webinars for free)
DNA evidence. I’m still leaning more and more about how to interpret DNA evidence however in this case X DNA and YDNA lines maybe helpful for you. There’s a lot of very helpful webinars on Legacy that help with sorting out and interrupting the DNA evidence. I do think, however that DNA has to be combined with solid traditional genealogical research. DNA evidence may provide new clues for where to search further
good luck!
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Yep - but now that I've gotten so many suggestions from this group I'm re-looking - hoping I've missed something.
A VERY BIG THANK YOU TO YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR RESPONSES - I'M GOING OVER EVERYTHING I'VE COLLECTED OVER THE YEARS INCLUDING ALL OF MY FILES IN HOPE OF FINDING A NUGGET THAT WILL OPEN THE DOOR. THANKS SO MUCH - THIS IS A WONDERFUL RESOURCE!!
A couple ideas.....
FAN club ... Is anyone listed as witnesses on court documents (land records, Wills/probate), church records (baptism, marriage etc), newspaper records, neighbour in census records. Have you traced Christina as well? There’s a very interesting webinar on Legacy Webinar called “ The Five-story Fall: Correlating Indirect and Direct Evidence...” That provides an example of using the FAN club and unusual sources to extend research. (Legacy often provides some of their webinars for free)
DNA evidence. I’m still leaning more and more about how to interpret DNA evidence however in this case X DNA and YDNA lines maybe helpful for you. There’s a lot of very helpful webinars on Legacy that help with sorting out and interrupting the DNA evidence. I do think, however that DNA has to be combined with solid traditional genealogical research. DNA evidence may provide new clues for where to search further
good luck!
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