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Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...
Lynne Roberts
Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc. I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
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Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...
Eliz Cook
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?
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On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
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Looking for Duncan Campbell...
Lynne Roberts
I know - it's like looking for John Smith. I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless. But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now? Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from. I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research. When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio. Have never found credible proof of them in PA. I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH. He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records. The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns. That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others. Info on family is: Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI William Campbell abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859 Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins. He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!! Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have Lynne
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...>
Hi Again, Well done to Maggie finding John's father as Donald. I think your John who was Baptised 2 Nov 1853 at Alves married Helen McIntosh at Inveravon, Banff in 1890, daughter of James McINTOSH b 1826 Inveravon, a cattleman there, and Amelia McQUEEN b 187 Auldearn, Nairn.. John and Helen had a least 8 children , 7 at Alves where John was
probably the Blacksmith, John died in 1929 and his wife Helen in
1953, both at Alves. Rebecca ROSS was given as age 20 on the 1841 Census at Dyke and born out of County and was also shown as born at Nigg, Ross and Cromarty later as were her siblings.. So she would have been born between 1816 and 1821 at Nigg.( ages are rounded down to the closest 5 years). The Donald Ross father of John McLeod MAY have been the one born at Dyke 29 Feb 1832 at Dyke to Donald Ross (1794 Urray -1871 Dyke) and Ann Sim (1791 Garmouth -1874 Dyke). They were all living at Dyke in 1851.
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - it's a pay-per-view site, but modestly priced. It is the only place to find digital images of almost all original Scottish records of births/baptisms, banns/marriages and deaths (but not burials) and census.
In 1841 there is a family at Sneb, Dyke comprising Donald Ross, 30; Christian Ross, 65; Christian Ross, 25; and Rebecca Ross, 20. In 1851 Rebecca Ross, 27, is with her brother Donald, 37, and sister Christina, 34, at Snab of Moy, parish of Dyke. In 1861 Christina, 44, and Rebecca, 31, are in Forres with John McLeod, 7. If he was 7 in the 1861 census, which was taken on 7 April, so John must have been born between 8 April 1853 and 7 April 1854. That fits perfectly with the baptism on 2 November 1853. There is a marriage of a Rebeccia Ross to David Winchester in Forres on 13 June 1862. This looks like the same Rebecca. If I were you I would want to see that marriage to confirm the parentage of Rebecca Ross. I would also want to look at the originals of the censuses to see if Rebecca's age really was recorded as 20 in 1841, 27 ten years later and 31 another ten years after that. The 1853 baptism might provide a clue about John McLeod's supposed father Donald McLeod. I would also want to check the Dyke Kirk Session records to see whether they contain any information about Donald McLeod and Rebecca Ross. For information about this line of enquiry see https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825881.0 However none of this actually proves that John McLeod, illegitimate son of Donald McLeod and Rebecca Ross, is the one who fathered Alexander McLeod with Agnes Ross. There is a John McLeod, aged 27, private patient, in Ladysbridge Hospital, near Banff in the 1881 census. I was unable to resist buying a copy of that census, and his place of birth is a bit mangled but could be Snab. The records of Ladysbridge Hospital are in the care of the Grampian Health Board archives in Aberdeen https://www.abdn.ac.uk/special-collections/nhs-grampian-archives-72.php. They should contain enough detail about this John McLeod to confirm whether or not he is 'yours'. Over to you.
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
Claude Hanson <claudehanson@...>
Thank you Jim, Maggie, Charles, Goldie & Lida, and Ray! What a great day ... getting your suggestions and recommendations. I tried to answer each of you individually; however, I couldn't figure out how. (of all the things I've lost, I think I miss my mind the most) I'm going to try to be very specific in the questions I ask... I'm not meaning to be rude or thoughtless. 1. How do I contact "Scotland's People"? 2. Right now I'm thinking my John McLeod was born 2/11/1853 in Dyke. Info on Ancestry.com says his father Donald McLeod and mother Rebeckah Ross. There must be an original birth record. Where could I find it? 3. The 1861 census of Forres that lists Christina Ross, Rebekah Ross, and John McLeod as a nephew of Christina Ross says the two ladies (I assume they are sisters) were born in Nairn, Nairnshire. Christina 44 would have been born abt 1817 and Rebeckah 31 about 1830. I assume this Rebeckah is John's mother and Christina is his aunt. Where might we find who Christina and Rebeckah's parents are? 4. Honestly, Charles, you put together four generations of that I took years to put together...plus making a trip with my wife and her sisters to Rafford to search for members of the Ross family. The John McLeod we are looking for his my wife's grandfather. and, her father is the Alexander John McLeod born in 1879. I need to have clarified information you mentioned concerning the 1851 census of Dyke area and the McLeod's and Ross's in the area. I'm thinking Rebeckah and Donald, John's parents were never married. 5. I also think perhaps there is a connection with John Bain and the Ross family...and that John McLeod is their grandson. But how? 6. And last! Can anybody find a John McLeod in or around The Crook, in the Parish of Alves in the 1881 census? That is just two years after he gave that area as his home when they registered the birth of their son, my father-in-law. Sorry, this is so long...but, I do appreciate you all for your help. Claude
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:13 PM aberloursearch via groups.io <aberloursearch=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
aberloursearch@...
Hi,
You could try contacting the local heritage centre at Grant lodge in Elgin, they have copies of the poor law records for the areas you are interested in. If your John MacLeod born 1854 or 1855 in Dyke was illegitimate there may be records of the mother applying for poor relief from the parish which may contain the name of his father and almost certainly the name of his mother.
Hope this may help with your research.
Regards
Ray
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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 06:23:37 PM PDT, Claude Hanson <claudehanson@...> wrote:
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
Meg
Isent a reply but it didn't come through due to the way I have my mailing lists threaded. My mistake
Hi Claude Hope this helps, I can't see any reason this isn't your man, unless anyone else can. I did a quick check on Libindx but couldn't turn up anyone that could be him so I turned to Scotland's People, did a search 1853-1856 and found a John Mcleod born 2/11/1853 in Dyke to Donald Mcleod and Rebekah Ross - seems pretty good to me with his aunts being Ross. Did he marry and do you have his death certificate? And I'd be interested in if Rebekah died early and if these are her sisters, just to cross check.
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
Goldie & Lido Doratti
My advice would also be to go to Scotland’s People. After 1855 all
marriages and births were supposed to be registered. You could get his
birth registration, and also check some of the census records. Here in
Canada it costs about $13 for 5 queries, so make them count. Figure out
what you need to find the info you want and then go and try it.
If you know for sure he is born 1879, then that’s not him on the 1871
census. I would try the 1881 and see what I could find.
Possibly he is illegitimate which is why you are having such a hard time finding
him. Just now here in Canada the Mormon Church Family History Rooms are
closed, but if you go there you can see the film for yourself and see who the
witnesses were. Not all witnesses were given, sometimes a child was
baptised ‘before the congregation’.......but if they are given it adds
sometimes, some relatives to the parents which is of great help. But try
SP and see what you get. Good luck, Goldie
From: Claude Hanson
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:06 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b.
1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...>
Hi,
Had a look for you, to me it looks most likely John McLeod born 1853/4 at Dyke is the son of John McLeod aged 22 on the 1851 Census and who was working with his brother James 20 at Feddan farm Dyke. The mother would be Rebecca Ross born about 1819 at Nigg, Ross & C. ( sometimes Nairn on censuses) the sister of Donald and Christina Ross who all farmed at Sneb or Snab, Dyke in 1851. Their mother was a Christian MUNRO? born abt 1776 Ross and C. John and James McLeod were born at Kirkhill, Inverness according to the 1851 Census. A bit less likely, but the John BAIN b 1793 Rafford and his wife Isabell MASSON b 1795 Rafford could be the grandparents of the John McLEAN b 1853 who was with them on the 1871 Census as it appears their daughter Mary BAIN had twin children by a David ROSS - Christina and Isabella ROSS who were born & died 1865 Forres. Given the children's name could be the David Ross was son of the Christina Ross b abt 1815 Nigg, sister to Rebecca Ross. Regards Charles ====================== POSSIBLE ONLY First Generation 1. Alexander ROSS was born in 1790 in Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. In Apr 1881 he was a Pauper living with daughter Isabella in Corhall, Rafford. Alexander ROSS had the following children: +2 i. John ROSS, born 1811, Moy / Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. 3 ii. Isabella ROSS was born in 1822 in Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. Second Generation 2. John ROSS (Alexander-1) was born in 1811 in Moy / Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. In Apr 1851 he was an Agric Lab in Brochloch, Rafford. In Apr 1881 he was a Gen Labourer in Corhall, Rafford. John was a Labourer in Woodside Marcassie, Rafford. Elizabeth MCKILLICAN was born in 1815 in Croy, Nairn, Scotland. She died in 1907 at the age of 92 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. John ROSS and Elizabeth MCKILLICAN had the following children: +4 i. Margaret ROSS, born abt 24 Mar 1840, Kinloss, Moray, Scotland. 5 ii. Helen ROSS was born about 25 Jun 1842 in Kinloss, Moray, Scotland. 6 iii. Jane M ROSS was born about 6 Sep 1845 in Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died before Apr 1851 at the age of 5. 7 iv. Alexander ROSS was born about 8 Nov 1849 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. 8 v. Mary Anne Paul ROSS was born about 13 May 1852 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died in 1942 at the age of 90 in Forres, Moray, Scotland. +9 vi. Agnes McIntosh ROSS, born 1856, Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland; died 1939, Nairn, Nairn, Scotland. 10 vii. Hughina ROSS was born in 1859 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. In Apr 1881 she was a General Servant in Middlebank Farm, Errol, Perth. Third Generation 4. Margaret ROSS (John-2, Alexander-1) was born about 24 Mar 1840 in Kinloss, Moray, Scotland. Margaret ROSS had the following child: 11 i. William "or Murray" ROSS was born on 15 Jun 1867 in Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland. 9. Agnes McIntosh ROSS (John-2, Alexander-1) was born in 1856 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died in 1939 at the age of 83 in Nairn, Nairn, Scotland. In Apr 1851 John MCLEOD, son of John MCLEOD and Rebecca ROSS, was a Farm Servant in Feddan, Dyke, Moray. He was born in 1853 in Dyke, Moray, Scotland. John MCLEOD and Agnes McIntosh ROSS had the following child: 12 i. Alexander MCLEOD was born in 1879 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
MSymon <msymon@...>
Hi Claude
Hope this helps, I can't see any reason this isn't your man, unless anyone else can. I did a quick check on Libindx but couldn't turn up anyone that could be him so I turned to Scotland's People, did a search 1853-1856 and found a John Mcleod born 2/11/1853 in Dyke to Donald Mcleod and Rebekah Ross - seems pretty good to me with his aunts being Ross. Did he marry and do you have his death certificate? And I'd be interested in if Rebekah died early and if these are her sisters, just to cross check. -- Maggie
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 06:23:37 PM PDT, Claude Hanson <claudehanson@...> wrote:
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40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire
Claude Hanson <claudehanson@...>
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Re: understanding ages in 1841 census
The 1841 census was taken on 7 June, so if he really was aged 39 on census day, he would have been born between 8 June 1801 and 7 June 1802.If he was correctly shown as 35 he would have been born between 8 June 1801 and 7 June 1806.
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Re: understanding ages in 1841 census
Goldie & Lido Doratti
I disagree....ages were supposed to be rounded to the nearest 5.....BUT...it wasn't consistently done. IF you are looking at a census for 1841 in Scotland it is best to plus or minus 5 years. Then work from there. Sometimes that doesn't work either, but worth the try. IF you know where a person was born, that helps, but also you have to allow for WHO gave the info....for example....a wife may not be sure, or an older child may have given it. So do what you can with the 1841 and if this works then skip to the 1851.....then it should show the true age. Failing all of this, and IF you know where a person was born, go to Scotland's People and try that site.....costs, yes, but you will get the actual documentation from the Old Parish Record Book. It is true about the under 15's being shown as the true age. But remember the 1841 census was done in or about 7 June of the year...then IF you know the date of birth, use plus or minus 1 year. Someone born in May would have one answer while someone born in June might give the actual age, or give the age they would be next month.....follow me? Someone who was 38 should show as 40, while someone age 37 should show as 35, BUT in fact it is not consistent, again I say. Think "outside" the box ..Goldie
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From: Terence Brown Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 4:21 PM To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] understanding ages in 1841 census No he wouldn’t be shown as 39 but as 35. Ages up to 15 were shown as the exact age. Ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, hence 39 shown as 35. Regards Terry Brown
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Re: understanding ages in 1841 census
Terence Brown
No he wouldn’t be shown as 39 but as 35.
Ages up to 15 were shown as the exact age. Ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, hence 39 shown as 35. Regards Terry Brown
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Re: understanding ages in 1841 census
JANET MORGAN
Thank you Ken. He was actually listed as 35. Sorry for that so it should hold true here then. Trying to narrow his parents down. I think he was Ayrshire and was married there in Kilwinning but most children were born in Renfrew.
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On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...> wrote:
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Re: understanding ages in 1841 census
Ken Harrison
If he was 39, he “should” have been shown as 35. But application was very inconsistent.
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If it shows 39, then it is highly probable that in the Spring of 1841 he claimed to be 39, and so born in the last 8 months of 1801 or the first 4 of 1802. Ken iPad
On Jun 1, 2020, at 4:11 PM, JANET MORGAN via groups.io <Jmorgan441@...> wrote:
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Re: "Finding Your Scottish Ancestors in Canada" at Scottish Indexes Conference Monday 8 June 2020 07:00 BST
Right, I've joined the Facebook group and will see when they schedule everything. I'm running a meeting for my Genealogy Society in the afternoon, so... we'll see how it all pans out. Thanks for the suggestion! I hope that the sessions will be available for watching later, too. -v
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:25 PM John Kemplen <john.kemplen@...> wrote:
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understanding ages in 1841 census
JANET MORGAN
I believe that the ages for adults were rounded down in the 1841 census. Is this correct? I am searching for the parents of my Allan/Alan Bowie who shows up in Campbell St Johnstone, Renfrewshire as 39 years old. If he was born in the latter part of the year 1801, December, would he still show up as 39? This parentage has been a stumbling block for years.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Janet Bowie Morgan
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