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Re: DNA

 

Just a clarification - all children of a woman have her mtDNA, no matter the sex of the child. So XY people can do 3 tests; XX people can do two. Unless there is specific interest in the paternal line, the autosomal test at Ancestry gives the best value for money, IMO.

That said, the only male in the line -- if there are funds, go for Big Y. If not, Y 37 and you can always upgrade later. Siblings will generally match on mtDNA, match about 50% on autosomal tests, brothers will match on Y. So having all the siblings do au tests is extremely valuable if you can't test the parents. The Big Y results will grow in value over time, as more men test. -v


On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 4:32 AM Bret Busby <bret@...> wrote:
On 19/12/20 6:12 pm, Bob Elder via groups.io wrote:
> *If my eldest sister was to her DNA done would it be any different than
> mine, or would she have the same markers as myself just a thought as
> there is no other male line in the family.*
>
> **
>
> *Thank Bob*
>


Hello, Bob.

I am the Project Administrator for the Busby name project at
familytreedna.com .

I am no expert, but, the following may be helpful.

At familytreedna.com, for males, they have the Y-DNA test series, and
the Family Finder test, and, for females, they have the mtDNA test and
the Family Finder test. These are not the only genealogical DNA tests
that they offer, but, I believe that they are the most useful and helpful

The Y-DNA test, tests for matches, along the patrilineal line (father,
father's father, father's father's father, etc, etc, etc.

The Y-DNA test is applicable to the Y chromosome, and, males have
(mostly) the XY chromosome combination (apparently, XXY and XYY
chromosome combinations can exist, but, this is not the place for going
into that part of biology).

The mtDNA test traces the X chromosome , and females have (mostly) the
XX chromosome combination (apparently, the XXX chromosome combination,
also exists, but, once again, this is not the place for going into that
part of biology)

The mtDNA test, tests for matches along the matrilineal line (mother,
mother's mother, mother's mother's mother, etc, etc, etc).

The Family Finder test is an autosomal test, that tests for possible
ancestral relationships of both genders, from what I understand, going
back to five generations, and, returns results indicating possible
relationships ("This match may be a third to fifth cousin" kind of
matches) for both sexes.

What I recommend to people, is that, males, undergo the 37 marker Y-DNA
test and the Family Finder test, and, females, undergo the Family Finder
test, and, doing this, through a name project, and, once the test
results are returned, joining as many applicable name and geographic
projects, as can be found (so as to aid in finding possible matches
within those projects), the same as I recommend for joining genealogical
mailing lists.

Regarding geographic genealogical DNA projects, a number exist, for
Scotland, and for the UK, at familytreedna.com . These can be useful
both for finding possible relatives, and, for tracing ancestral movements.

So, I recommend that anyone who is researching genealogy relating to
Scotland, and, who has  had familytreedna.com genealogy DNA testing,
done, should join the Scotland geographical DNA projects, in addition to
name projects, to make the research more comprehensive.

Also, out of interest, familytreedna.com have discounted offers on their
genealogical DNA tests, at present, until 27 December.

I hope that this information is helpful.

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
 
--
http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her


Re: Duich Lotts

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks John.That is wonderful information very detailed and useful. I appreciate your help tremendously.
Glynn



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From: John Kemplen <john.kemplen@...>
Date: 2020-12-19 15:30 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io, ", Glynn Currie" <glynn.currie@...>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts

Hello Glynn

The place east of Bowmore is, a believe, usually known as Dluich.  I have never seen anywhere else beginning with "Dl" and I have no idea how to say it, but there it is.

The place your people came from is south of Bowmore.  Duich is on the A846 ("the Low Road") where it crosses the Duich River, and Duich Lots (or Lotts) is about a mile east of there, just over half way to the B8016 ("the High Road") and a little way north of Loch Dhomhnull.  It is still named on good maps, but nobody lives there any more.  You can see some rather sad pictures of some of the abandoned cottages there if you follow this link:
http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6649

There are a few other places called Lotts or Lots in that area - Glenegedale Lots, Glenegedalemoor Lots, Glenmachrie Lots - all on very peaty land between Bowmore and Port Ellen.  I do not know what the term means, but it seems to relate to outlying land associated with the place with the name without "Lotts" after it, often rather poor land at that.

I have found that the best website for finding very detailed modern maps of Scotland is Canmore.  Start here:
https://canmore.org.uk/site/search/result?SITECOUNTRY=0&view=map
and zoom in on Islay.  Because it is really meant for finding sites of historical interest the detail can be obscured by blue blobs marking the sites.  To get rid of them, just go to the menu inset into the top right corner of the map, click on "Canmore" and then on the "Search Results" box.

I hope this helps.  If you still have difficulty finding the location or have other Islay-related questions, do not hesitate to ask.

Regards

John



On 19/12/2020 20:58, Glynn Currie wrote:

Both my paternal grandparents were born on Islay. I have been told about the Island ever since I was very young. Grampa was John Currie, born in 1879 at Duich Lotts. His father was Donald Currie and his mother was Catherine McFadyen.
I would like to locate the farm where he was born and learn a bit about it. On an old map of Islay that I found on the internet I can see two places named Duich. One is located close to Bowmore, a little north and east. The other is located south and east of Bowmore, near the present day airport.
Would anyone know anything about these two locations which would allow me to learn which place was my grandfather's home?


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Re: Duich Lotts

M. Diane Rogers
 

Duich lots, Islay - description from 'Scottis Places' here:
https://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townfirst14706.html

Diane
M Diane Rogers

----- Original Message -----

Both my paternal grandparents were born on Islay.
I have been told about the Island ever since I was very young.
Grampa was John Currie, born in 1879...Snipped


Re: Duich Lotts

John Kemplen
 

Hello Glynn

The place east of Bowmore is, a believe, usually known as Dluich.  I have never seen anywhere else beginning with "Dl" and I have no idea how to say it, but there it is.

The place your people came from is south of Bowmore.  Duich is on the A846 ("the Low Road") where it crosses the Duich River, and Duich Lots (or Lotts) is about a mile east of there, just over half way to the B8016 ("the High Road") and a little way north of Loch Dhomhnull.  It is still named on good maps, but nobody lives there any more.  You can see some rather sad pictures of some of the abandoned cottages there if you follow this link:
http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6649

There are a few other places called Lotts or Lots in that area - Glenegedale Lots, Glenegedalemoor Lots, Glenmachrie Lots - all on very peaty land between Bowmore and Port Ellen.  I do not know what the term means, but it seems to relate to outlying land associated with the place with the name without "Lotts" after it, often rather poor land at that.

I have found that the best website for finding very detailed modern maps of Scotland is Canmore.  Start here:
https://canmore.org.uk/site/search/result?SITECOUNTRY=0&view=map
and zoom in on Islay.  Because it is really meant for finding sites of historical interest the detail can be obscured by blue blobs marking the sites.  To get rid of them, just go to the menu inset into the top right corner of the map, click on "Canmore" and then on the "Search Results" box.

I hope this helps.  If you still have difficulty finding the location or have other Islay-related questions, do not hesitate to ask.

Regards

John



On 19/12/2020 20:58, Glynn Currie wrote:

Both my paternal grandparents were born on Islay. I have been told about the Island ever since I was very young. Grampa was John Currie, born in 1879 at Duich Lotts. His father was Donald Currie and his mother was Catherine McFadyen.
I would like to locate the farm where he was born and learn a bit about it. On an old map of Islay that I found on the internet I can see two places named Duich. One is located close to Bowmore, a little north and east. The other is located south and east of Bowmore, near the present day airport.
Would anyone know anything about these two locations which would allow me to learn which place was my grandfather's home?


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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Anne Farrar
 

The following is a direct quotation from the  Borders Family History webpage
 
“Selkirk Parish is situated in the County of the same name being bounded on the north by the Parishes of Caddonfoot and Galashiels, on the east by the Parishes of Bowden and Lilliesleaf and on the south-east by the Parish of Ashkirk all in Roxburghshire, on the south-west by the parish of Kirkhope and on the west by the Parish of Yarrow. Ashkirk is now linked with the ecclesiastical parish of Selkirk. “
 

From: ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 

 

These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Midlem, August 15th.,1762
Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott his wife in Midlestead in the parish of Selkirk hade a child baptized at Midlem on the Lords day before the congregation by all, Andrew Arnett Minister of the gospel in the associated congregation of Midlem. The child, name Euphans.(Euphemia as shown in the family bible of Robert Thomson)

May 15,1765 (Huntlie or Hunlie)

Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.

Andrews baptism in the parish of Ashkirk? This town is hard to make out but I believe it to be Ashkirk. There are no other names mentioned but the above.


Duich Lotts

Glynn Currie
 


Both my paternal grandparents were born on Islay. I have been told about the Island ever since I was very young. Grampa was John Currie, born in 1879 at Duich Lotts. His father was Donald Currie and his mother was Catherine McFadyen.
I would like to locate the farm where he was born and learn a bit about it. On an old map of Islay that I found on the internet I can see two places named Duich. One is located close to Bowmore, a little north and east. The other is located south and east of Bowmore, near the present day airport.
Would anyone know anything about these two locations which would allow me to learn which place was my grandfather's home?


Sent from my Galaxy


Re: DNA

Bret Busby
 

On 19/12/20 6:12 pm, Bob Elder via groups.io wrote:
*If my eldest sister was to her DNA done would it be any different than mine, or would she have the same markers as myself just a thought as there is no other male line in the family.*
**
*Thank Bob*

Hello, Bob.

I am the Project Administrator for the Busby name project at familytreedna.com .

I am no expert, but, the following may be helpful.

At familytreedna.com, for males, they have the Y-DNA test series, and the Family Finder test, and, for females, they have the mtDNA test and the Family Finder test. These are not the only genealogical DNA tests that they offer, but, I believe that they are the most useful and helpful

The Y-DNA test, tests for matches, along the patrilineal line (father, father's father, father's father's father, etc, etc, etc.

The Y-DNA test is applicable to the Y chromosome, and, males have (mostly) the XY chromosome combination (apparently, XXY and XYY chromosome combinations can exist, but, this is not the place for going into that part of biology).

The mtDNA test traces the X chromosome , and females have (mostly) the XX chromosome combination (apparently, the XXX chromosome combination, also exists, but, once again, this is not the place for going into that part of biology)

The mtDNA test, tests for matches along the matrilineal line (mother, mother's mother, mother's mother's mother, etc, etc, etc).

The Family Finder test is an autosomal test, that tests for possible ancestral relationships of both genders, from what I understand, going back to five generations, and, returns results indicating possible relationships ("This match may be a third to fifth cousin" kind of matches) for both sexes.

What I recommend to people, is that, males, undergo the 37 marker Y-DNA test and the Family Finder test, and, females, undergo the Family Finder test, and, doing this, through a name project, and, once the test results are returned, joining as many applicable name and geographic projects, as can be found (so as to aid in finding possible matches within those projects), the same as I recommend for joining genealogical mailing lists.

Regarding geographic genealogical DNA projects, a number exist, for Scotland, and for the UK, at familytreedna.com . These can be useful both for finding possible relatives, and, for tracing ancestral movements.

So, I recommend that anyone who is researching genealogy relating to Scotland, and, who has had familytreedna.com genealogy DNA testing, done, should join the Scotland geographical DNA projects, in addition to name projects, to make the research more comprehensive.

Also, out of interest, familytreedna.com have discounted offers on their genealogical DNA tests, at present, until 27 December.

I hope that this information is helpful.

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............


Re: DNA

orange.wasps
 

Is she only had her mitochondrial DNA tested, it would be the same as yours, but only you have a Y chromosome.  

Ruth


On 19 Dec 2020, at 10:12, Bob Elder via groups.io <relder@...> wrote:



 

If my eldest sister was to her DNA done would it be any different than mine, or would she have the same markers as myself just a thought as there is no other male line in the family.

 

Thank Bob


DNA

Bob Elder
 

 

If my eldest sister was to her DNA done would it be any different than mine, or would she have the same markers as myself just a thought as there is no other male line in the family.

 

Thank Bob


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Ken Harrison
 

Bailer should read Baillie (a civic leader).

Ken iPad

On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:21 AM, ROBERT F. RIDER <duneatik@...> wrote:


Yes the marriage data is correct.Robert Elliott is Agnes' Father and her Mother was Euphemia Tudhope. I do not know who Robert born 1722 parents were. The Robert Tudhope was a bailer in Selkirk which I believe  was a law officer of some sort. The naming patterns for that time would indicate Roberts Gfather may also be a Robert as his first male child was named that but died. The Grandmother Euphemia would mean the child Euphemia was called after her.Thank you for the site to email too.


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of ROBERT F. RIDER <duneatik@...>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 12:06:01 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 
I checked any the time I viewed for that but saw no others. I just looked at an old map of Roxburgshire. Roberts bible said all his children were born in Bowden. Askirk is very close and there was a Hundalee close which could be Hunlie I suspect. The old writing is not clear on my documents but the spelling is sometimes anyone's guess as well. It also showed a Kirk at Ashkirk which probably is the Kirk in the documents. In Scotland I believe the name was spelled Thomson but in the US all but one son used Thompson. He was also a Robert and a Methodist preacher in WA. D.C. in the early 1800's.


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Goldie & Lido Doratti <lidogold2@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:56:34 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 
If you can go back and re-read the film..take down all the THOMpSON and Elliot families you can find........you may find someone around the same time period who is related......then work with that person and see what you get.  Maybe nothing, but it’s worth the shot.  I have seen TOMSON spelling as well....work with any/all spellings you can come up with.  But DO go back over the film.  It’s a hard go, I admit, but easy to miss a detail.  Could HUNLIE, be HUNTLY?  Goldie
From: ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 

 

These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Midlem, August 15th.,1762
Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott his wife in Midlestead in the parish of Selkirk hade a child baptized at Midlem on the Lords day before the congregation by all, Andrew Arnett Minister of the gospel in the associated congregation of Midlem. The child, name Euphans.(Euphemia as shown in the family bible of Robert Thomson)

May 15,1765 (Huntlie or Hunlie)

Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.

Andrews baptism in the parish of Ashkirk? This town is hard to make out but I believe it to be Ashkirk. There are no other names mentioned but the above.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

ROBERT F. RIDER
 

Yes the marriage data is correct.Robert Elliott is Agnes' Father and her Mother was Euphemia Tudhope. I do not know who Robert born 1722 parents were. The Robert Tudhope was a bailer in Selkirk which I believe  was a law officer of some sort. The naming patterns for that time would indicate Roberts Gfather may also be a Robert as his first male child was named that but died. The Grandmother Euphemia would mean the child Euphemia was called after her.Thank you for the site to email too.


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of ROBERT F. RIDER <duneatik@...>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 12:06:01 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 
I checked any the time I viewed for that but saw no others. I just looked at an old map of Roxburgshire. Roberts bible said all his children were born in Bowden. Askirk is very close and there was a Hundalee close which could be Hunlie I suspect. The old writing is not clear on my documents but the spelling is sometimes anyone's guess as well. It also showed a Kirk at Ashkirk which probably is the Kirk in the documents. In Scotland I believe the name was spelled Thomson but in the US all but one son used Thompson. He was also a Robert and a Methodist preacher in WA. D.C. in the early 1800's.


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Goldie & Lido Doratti <lidogold2@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:56:34 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 
If you can go back and re-read the film..take down all the THOMpSON and Elliot families you can find........you may find someone around the same time period who is related......then work with that person and see what you get.  Maybe nothing, but it’s worth the shot.  I have seen TOMSON spelling as well....work with any/all spellings you can come up with.  But DO go back over the film.  It’s a hard go, I admit, but easy to miss a detail.  Could HUNLIE, be HUNTLY?  Goldie
From: ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 

 

These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Midlem, August 15th.,1762
Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott his wife in Midlestead in the parish of Selkirk hade a child baptized at Midlem on the Lords day before the congregation by all, Andrew Arnett Minister of the gospel in the associated congregation of Midlem. The child, name Euphans.(Euphemia as shown in the family bible of Robert Thomson)

May 15,1765 (Huntlie or Hunlie)

Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.

Andrews baptism in the parish of Ashkirk? This town is hard to make out but I believe it to be Ashkirk. There are no other names mentioned but the above.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

ROBERT F. RIDER
 

I checked any the time I viewed for that but saw no others. I just looked at an old map of Roxburgshire. Roberts bible said all his children were born in Bowden. Askirk is very close and there was a Hundalee close which could be Hunlie I suspect. The old writing is not clear on my documents but the spelling is sometimes anyone's guess as well. It also showed a Kirk at Ashkirk which probably is the Kirk in the documents. In Scotland I believe the name was spelled Thomson but in the US all but one son used Thompson. He was also a Robert and a Methodist preacher in WA. D.C. in the early 1800's.


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Goldie & Lido Doratti <lidogold2@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:56:34 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 
If you can go back and re-read the film..take down all the THOMpSON and Elliot families you can find........you may find someone around the same time period who is related......then work with that person and see what you get.  Maybe nothing, but it’s worth the shot.  I have seen TOMSON spelling as well....work with any/all spellings you can come up with.  But DO go back over the film.  It’s a hard go, I admit, but easy to miss a detail.  Could HUNLIE, be HUNTLY?  Goldie
From: ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 

 

These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Midlem, August 15th.,1762
Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott his wife in Midlestead in the parish of Selkirk hade a child baptized at Midlem on the Lords day before the congregation by all, Andrew Arnett Minister of the gospel in the associated congregation of Midlem. The child, name Euphans.(Euphemia as shown in the family bible of Robert Thomson)

May 15,1765 (Huntlie or Hunlie)

Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.

Andrews baptism in the parish of Ashkirk? This town is hard to make out but I believe it to be Ashkirk. There are no other names mentioned but the above.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Robert

 

Found these records,  For Agnes wife of your Robert, her Baptism  19 Jan 1724 showing her parents as Robert Elliot & Euphin Tudhope, do you know are these her parents is this right and  2 marriages one under Elliot and the other under Elliott

 

What information do you have on Robert Parents and family and also Agnes Elliot parents and Family?

 

Name:

Agness Elliot

Gender:

Female

Baptism Date:

19 Jan 1724

Baptism Place:

, Selkirk, Selkirk, Scotland

Father:

Robert Elliot

Mother:

Euphin Tudhope

FHL Film Number:

1067927

Reference ID:

2:188WTTL

 

 

 

Name:

Agnes Elliot

Gender:

Female

Marriage Date:

16 Jan 1750

Marriage Place:

Bowden,Roxburgh,Scotland

Spouse:

Robert Thomson

FHL Film Number:

1067932

 

 

Name:

Agnes Elliott

Gender:

Female

Marriage Date:

2 Feb 1750

Marriage Place:

Selkirk,Selkirk,Scotland

Spouse:

Robert Thomson

FHL Film Number:

1067928

 

 

 

This below is the link to site + Census of Selkirk 1817 on the list is the names of possible connection. J Thomson 4 people, William two houses 7people, Robert Elliot 8 people (Possible father to Agnes Elliot Robert wife) Robert Tudhope, possible connection to the family.

You could email them they might be able to help you.

 

http://www.bordersfhs.org.uk/selkirk.asp

 

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Friday, 18 December 2020 10:35 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson

 

 

These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Midlem, August 15th.,1762
Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott his wife in Midlestead in the parish of Selkirk hade a child baptized at Midlem on the Lords day before the congregation by all, Andrew Arnett Minister of the gospel in the associated congregation of Midlem. The child, name Euphans.(Euphemia as shown in the family bible of Robert Thomson)

May 15,1765 (Huntlie or Hunlie)

Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.

 Andrews baptism in the parish of Ashkirk? This town is hard to make out but I believe it to be Ashkirk. There are no other names mentioned but the above.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

If you can go back and re-read the film..take down all the THOMpSON and Elliot families you can find........you may find someone around the same time period who is related......then work with that person and see what you get.  Maybe nothing, but it’s worth the shot.  I have seen TOMSON spelling as well....work with any/all spellings you can come up with.  But DO go back over the film.  It’s a hard go, I admit, but easy to miss a detail.  Could HUNLIE, be HUNTLY?  Goldie

From: ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 

 

These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Midlem, August 15th.,1762
Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott his wife in Midlestead in the parish of Selkirk hade a child baptized at Midlem on the Lords day before the congregation by all, Andrew Arnett Minister of the gospel in the associated congregation of Midlem. The child, name Euphans.(Euphemia as shown in the family bible of Robert Thomson)

May 15,1765 (Huntlie or Hunlie)

Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.

Andrews baptism in the parish of Ashkirk? This town is hard to make out but I believe it to be Ashkirk. There are no other names mentioned but the above.


Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

ROBERT F. RIDER
 

 

These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Midlem, August 15th.,1762
Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott his wife in Midlestead in the parish of Selkirk hade a child baptized at Midlem on the Lords day before the congregation by all, Andrew Arnett Minister of the gospel in the associated congregation of Midlem. The child, name Euphans.(Euphemia as shown in the family bible of Robert Thomson)

May 15,1765 (Huntlie or Hunlie)

Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.

 Andrews baptism in the parish of Ashkirk? This town is hard to make out but I believe it to be Ashkirk. There are no other names mentioned but the above.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Anne Burgess
 

That sounds like good evidence. Though I am puzzled because I cannot find the baptism of Euphemia Thom(p)son on FS or in the IGI. Which Associate Church was it, and do the baptisms list names of witnesses, the parents' residence, or Robert's occupation?

I would not recommend Ancestry for Scottish research, as they only have a small proportion of the available Scottish records, and much of what they have is in the form of transcriptions or indexes, rather than original documents. Some of their transcriptions are notorious for their .... er .... creative spelling of personal and place names.

FamilySearch, and especially the International Genealogical Index, can be very useful in providing pointers to the original information, but again it has mainly transcriptions and indexes, and (regrettably) has mixed the indexes from original sources with some very unreliable information from dubious sources. It also sometimes makes potentially misleading assumptions, for example that a man is aged 25 and a woman 21 at marriage, or that people were born in their parish of marriage, or in the same parish as their children.

The best source for Scottish records is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk which has instant access to digital images of most of the surviving Scottish records. It's pay-per-view but modestly priced. Though as you have discovered you can go to any Family History Centre run by the LDS Church and arrange to rent the microfilms any of the records indexed on FS or in the IGI.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

ROBERT F. RIDER
 

Thank you to all who have sent what help you could. I do appreciate any and all even if it isn't my line.Sometimes one can find a small tidbit even in a mostly incorrect tree. I do not have a tree on ancestry or any site as yet. I want to be sure of facts before I do that and at the moment I don't have Ancestry but plan to. I found the baptisms of Andrew and Euphemia through familysearch. I don't recall the exact title now, but it was records of the Associated Churches in Scotland. The Thompsons belonged to an associated Church at that time. I ordered in the film and went to my local LDS Church to view them. Those two were the only children I found. They were the youngest of the children so perhaps before them the parents were not in the associated church. A distant family member has the senior Robert Thomsons bible which lists Robert and Agnes births and marriage dates and the childrens names and dates of birth.After arriving in the U.S. I believe they may have settled in Virginia and Fairfax Co. I haven't proof of where exactly just tidbits of data here and there. I do know some were in Richland, Va. in the early 1800's. One tree stated Robert Thompson died in Edgar Co.,Illinois in 1810. That is interesting and some of his children did remove to there, but we have no proof Robert did or that he even immigrated. As to the marriage records shown for Robert and Agnes we have those. Only William Scot is shown as a witness for Robert. A guess is he is a friend or cousin,of Roberts. I have used America loosely in some posts as I am not sure of the dates of immigration. In the Georgetown area of WA. D.C. the sons we are sure immigrated were either saddlers or cabinet makers. I hope some of this makes sense, I hope to answer some of the questions that were asked and again to thank you all for the time you spent on this.


Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Robert

 

I am sorry that the information that I sent was incorrect, I was only going by what you had posted and what I found on Ancestry. As I said there were 220 family trees I did not go through them all but I did looked at about 30 of them and they all had the same information.

If I answer a post it is up to them to check the source or corrected errors not me. It might be a load of junk, as this has be indicated to, or they may find something that breaks downs walls, then that has to be good no matter what source it come from.

 

 

 

The two web sites I sent were not family trees but Find a Grave site that had a biro on each person, but they both came from the one Family tree.

 

 

If you think Robert did married Agnes Elliot and Andrew parents then these records are from Scotland People showing the two marriage of Robert Thomson from Bowden and Agnes Elliott from Selkirk. You should get these two records to see if it shows their Parents to them both.

 

 

 

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 


Re: "America"

Anne Burgess
 

Of course. What I said was merely intended to forestall any objections to me using the acronym 'USA' for events that took place before the United States of America existed.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Anne Burgess
 
Edited

You should certainly get the two marriage records, but do not expect them to tell you the names of the couple's parents. In pre-1855 marriage records you do occasionally get the name of the bride's father, but the name of the groom's father is almost never included, and I have never seen one including the couple's mothers' names.

I did look at the two FindAGrave sites, and they do indeed contain lots of useful information about the people buried in those graves.

It's the postulated link between them and Andrew Thomson b 1765 in Scotland that I believe to be wrong.

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