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Re: Mystery Photo

RussellR
 

Hi Barbara

Have you run the picture through Google images to see if there is a match?  I tried, but the scan was too small to get any useful results, but a higher resolution file might get better results.

You could also try this website - http://www.tartansauthority.com/tartan-ferret/ - if the search facility cannot identify the tartan, you could try emailing them a copy of the image to see if they can give you any help.


Re: Mystery Photo

Fiona Turnbull
 

I would be willing to bet this is him

Best wishes

Fiona Turnbull


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Barbara Gooding via groups.io <barbgooding@...>
Sent: 23 December 2020 21:43
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo
 
I received this photo from a relative's estate.  Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man?  The photo is quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on photographic paper not a thick card.  It probably dates from the late 1800s to early 1900s.  The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat have told me he is not one of their people.  One suggestion was the tartan looked like McKenzie.  If it helps, my family was mainly from Glasgow, Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire.  Their surnames were Fletcher, Richardson, and Graham.  Many thanks.

Barbara from California


Re: Wishing you all

mllorimer34
 

Happy Holidays to you Valorie , your Loved Ones and All the Listers ! 🎄🎅🤶🎄
Best wishes , 
Marie-Laure



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-------- Original message --------
From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@...>
Date: 23/12/2020 03:37 (GMT+00:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Wishing you all

Happy holidays and best of health to you too, Lauraine!

And to us all. 

All the best,

Valorie

PS: Keep wearing your masks, keeping your distance, and washing your hands!

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:34 PM Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote:
A very good Christmas  or festive season and hoping the New Year bring us some relief from the Virus 19 pandemic.  It’s been a tough year, but we seem to have survived so HOPE is what we have.  Good health to all on the list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick.   
Canada
 
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Anne Burgess
 

Might be worth it - you have nothing to lose by asking.

Anne


mystery photo

tsinclair@...
 

Wow, he's very distinguished looking with all the regalia. If there's a Clan association in the US, perhaps you can run it by the clan genealogist/historian to see if they can identify him.

Toni, in snowy Canada


Re: Mystery Photo

Allan MacBain
 

Hi Barbara,
Is there any way you can get a higher resolution scan of the photo?

I can't get close enough to be able to make out the cap, or shoulder, badges without massive pixelation.

Allan MacBain MBCS
Associate Genealogist (UK & Europe), Clan MacBean Association.



On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 23:45, susanmargaret2 <susanmargaret2@...> wrote:
I can't help, but I wanted to say, what an amazing photograph!  I hope you figure out who it is.
Susan



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Barbara Gooding via groups.io" <barbgooding=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Date: 2020-12-23 4:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo

I received this photo from a relative's estate.  Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man?  The photo is quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on photographic paper not a thick card.  It probably dates from the late 1800s to early 1900s.  The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat have told me he is not one of their people.  One suggestion was the tartan looked like McKenzie.  If it helps, my family was mainly from Glasgow, Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire.  Their surnames were Fletcher, Richardson, and Graham.  Many thanks.

Barbara from California


Re: Mystery Photo

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

Yes, nice find.....I’m wondering if someone wrote “Chief....” on it implying he was the eldest of the family in the USA......most of us would say Matriarch of the family, but maybe someone else had a different thought........  Just trying to think outside the box..maybe it was
all in jest?  He looks like he has been well fed and is a healthy sort.  Goldie

From: susanmargaret2
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:42 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io ; Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo
 
I can't help, but I wanted to say, what an amazing photograph!  I hope you figure out who it is.
Susan
 
 
 
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-------- Original message --------
From: "Barbara Gooding via groups.io" <barbgooding@...>
Date: 2020-12-23 4:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo
 
I received this photo from a relative's estate.  Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man?  The photo is quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on photographic paper not a thick card.  It probably dates from the late 1800s to early 1900s.  The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat have told me he is not one of their people.  One suggestion was the tartan looked like McKenzie.  If it helps, my family was mainly from Glasgow, Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire.  Their surnames were Fletcher, Richardson, and Graham.  Many thanks.

Barbara from California


Re: Mystery Photo

susanmargaret2
 

I can't help, but I wanted to say, what an amazing photograph!  I hope you figure out who it is.
Susan



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Barbara Gooding via groups.io" <barbgooding@...>
Date: 2020-12-23 4:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo

I received this photo from a relative's estate.  Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man?  The photo is quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on photographic paper not a thick card.  It probably dates from the late 1800s to early 1900s.  The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat have told me he is not one of their people.  One suggestion was the tartan looked like McKenzie.  If it helps, my family was mainly from Glasgow, Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire.  Their surnames were Fletcher, Richardson, and Graham.  Many thanks.

Barbara from California


Mystery Photo

Barbara Gooding
 

I received this photo from a relative's estate.  Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man?  The photo is quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on photographic paper not a thick card.  It probably dates from the late 1800s to early 1900s.  The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat have told me he is not one of their people.  One suggestion was the tartan looked like McKenzie.  If it helps, my family was mainly from Glasgow, Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire.  Their surnames were Fletcher, Richardson, and Graham.  Many thanks.

Barbara from California


season

Sue Dietz
 

wishing a great holiday and prayers for a much better new year.
it is cold in Florida. how cold is it? well, we do not have snow, but
we do have falling iguanas. yep, for real.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

ROBERT F. RIDER
 

My bad for not noting what that film name was. I am still waiting for some of my family to answer if they remember. I had posted it on our old My Family site which has gone away. I have some feelers out and hope someone else noted it. I am positive I included the source when it was posted to our old family site. This has been an excellent lesson to me. I have the copies I made when I viewed them but there's no information as to what the film name was. It seems odd that same film would not be listed now. I am wondering if I tried calling family search or in an email if they could tell me?


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 12:35:24 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
 
Thank you, Josephin.

I have tried every way I can think of to find this baptism on FamilySearch and separately in the IGI, so far without success.

Anne






Re: Wishing

susanmargaret2
 

Wishing all of you the best of the Holiday Season.

Stay home, stay safe, be kind, we will get through COVID, and come through on the other side.

Susan, in Canada




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-------- Original message --------
From: Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...>
Date: 2020-12-22 7:34 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Wishing

A very good Christmas  or festive season and hoping the New Year bring us some relief from the Virus 19 pandemic.  It’s been a tough year, but we seem to have survived so HOPE is what we have.  Good health to all on the list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick.  
Canada






Re: Wishing

susanmargaret2
 

Wishing all of you the best of the Holiday Season.

Stay home, stay safe, be kind, we will get through COVID, and come through on the other side.

Susan, in Canada




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-------- Original message --------
From: Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...>
Date: 2020-12-22 7:34 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Wishing

A very good Christmas  or festive season and hoping the New Year bring us some relief from the Virus 19 pandemic.  It’s been a tough year, but we seem to have survived so HOPE is what we have.  Good health to all on the list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick.  
Canada






Re: Wishing you all

 

Happy holidays and best of health to you too, Lauraine!

And to us all. 

All the best,

Valorie

PS: Keep wearing your masks, keeping your distance, and washing your hands!


On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:34 PM Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote:
A very good Christmas  or festive season and hoping the New Year bring us some relief from the Virus 19 pandemic.  It’s been a tough year, but we seem to have survived so HOPE is what we have.  Good health to all on the list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick.   
Canada
 
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Re: Merry Christmas everyone...

barbara wells
 

Hi Listers,
..and so say me!!
Barb


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of aberloursearch via groups.io <aberloursearch@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2020 11:42 PM
To: anne.genlists@... <anne.genlists@...>; Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Merry Christmas everyone...
 
I would like to wish everyone on this list a very happy Christmas and hoping next year will be better for all of us than this year has been.



-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists@...>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:35
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Thank you, Josephin.

I have tried every way I can think of to find this baptism on FamilySearch and separately in the IGI, so far without success.

Anne





Wishing you all

Lauraine Syrnick
 

A very good Christmas or festive season and hoping the New Year bring us some relief from the Virus 19 pandemic. It’s been a tough year, but we seem to have survived so HOPE is what we have. Good health to all on the list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick.
Canada


Re: Merry Christmas everyone...

aberloursearch@...
 

I would like to wish everyone on this list a very happy Christmas and hoping next year will be better for all of us than this year has been.



-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists@...>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:35
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Thank you, Josephin.

I have tried every way I can think of to find this baptism on FamilySearch and separately in the IGI, so far without success.

Anne





Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Anne Burgess
 

Thank you, Josephin.

I have tried every way I can think of to find this baptism on FamilySearch and separately in the IGI, so far without success.

Anne


Re: Duich Lotts

Edie Mc
 

Hi Morag,

I have  no idea where in Scotland (Islay or elsewhere) our McArthur’s are from other than Scotland. I know where our Johns wife came from in Scotland or at least where she was born and her parents birthplace, that was in Cambuslang in Lanarkshire and a some time Isabella Stevenson his wife went to Cathcart, Renfrew in1850 after giving birth to a daughter who remained in Cambuslang, with her grandparents, John Stevenson and his wife Christina Stevenson nee Ormiston.  The daughters name was Christina Stevenson Campbell, whose father was William Campbell. Christina married Robert Black at Campsie, Stirlingshire and she sadly died aged 28 a mother of four in Campsie, Stirlingshire.  John and Isabella were in Cathcart in 1856 at the time of their marriage banns, but married in Cambuslang.  So Cathcart is the last known place before leaving Scotland for Tasmania as Bounty Immigrants.

 

It is really frustrating as we have all we need for he Stevenson family and getting on ith the Ormiston family even the descendants of the Black family, but all DNA results for two of my three sons and their father are more leaning towards the McDonalds, with one each of of Campbell, McNeil, Carmichael, McKay, Munro.  The McDonald location are in the Caithness area.  The Carmichael in Lismore ad there is one for Sutherland. John hasn’t left any clues even though he didn’t die until 1910. If we had a birthday it would be different.  We haven’t one McArthur hit. All we know is he was born in Scotland from his death certificate. On his marriage certificate it just gives Duncan McArthur has his father and Margaret Smith as his mother. No baptism for him or marriage for his parents and no other child  born to that couple.  I have been hoping for a half sibling to even parent.  We have several matches for folk that ancestry say  we are related but to date none of those are coming up with shared matches on Ancestry.com. My second son has done up to a Bigy700, doesn’t help at all that I can see though.

 

As you said though Morag about allotments being n the edge of tow, that was like it was as we had a  bedsit a kilometre from Uxbridge, where the train station began and ended.

 

Regards

Edie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Morag Fowler via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 21 December 2020 20:05
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts

 

Hi Edie,

 

Allotments in the UK tend to be at the edge of a town, all grouped together. I think what you described behind houses would be just back gardens being put to good use.

 

Did you know that there is a specific Islay group? Islay@Scotland-Genealogy. groups.io

 

Best wishes, Morag

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: Duich Lotts

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks John and Ann,
Your assistance has been invaluable. You have helped me learn a great deal about the context in which my great grandparents lived. That is so interesting that it is difficult to express. I really appreciate your assistance.
Glynn



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-------- Original message --------
From: "John Kemplen via groups.io" <john.kemplen@...>
Date: 2020-12-21 12:23 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts

There are several references to a place called Dluich in databases of old farms, tenants and births on Islay.  Some of these mention Upper Dluich and Mil (or Miln) of Dluich.  One of the farm references says "Dluich (see Gortanilivorrie)", so I have looked at the OS First Series 6-inch map surveyed in 1878 (extract attached) at the location now called Gortanilivorrie.  It calls that location Gortanloist, and if you move east from there past the woodland you come to a place shown on the map as Lower Gluich.  Further to the south east (south west of Kilbraenan) is Upper Gluich, and a little way to the east of that is a stream called Allt Gluich.  That same stream is marked on the modern OS map as Allt Dluich.


On 21/12/2020 12:24, Anne Burgess via groups.io wrote:
There is no place called Dluich listed in the Ordnance Survey Name Books compiled in the mid-19th century. The consonants 'dl' do occu at the start of some Gaelic words, but I can't think of any other place names that start with 'dl'. However if a monoglot speaker of English were to pronounce it, the 'd' would come out something like 'g', and there were two crofts named Gluich in Islay, both now vanished. See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.77978&lon=-6.19959&layers=5&b=1 and slide the blue button to the left to compare the map with the satellite view.

There are two references in the catalogue of the National Records of Scotland to plans of Islay including Dluich, but the map reference given for one of them (136792, 665434) corresponds to a place which is now called Ayen or Ayen Cottage https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NR3665. The description of the other does not give a map reference, but it's likely to be the same place.

There are two listings of Duich in the Name Books for the parish of Kildalton. First the Duich River: "Applies to a River which forms the parish boundary between Kildalton Killarrow and Kilmeny. It takes the name of "Duich River" at Torra from thence it flows in a N.W. [North Westerly] direction, to where it joins the River Laggan about ¾ of a mile east from where the latter joins the sea at Laggan Bay. From its source to where it receives the name of "Duich River" it has various names in the different Localities in which it passes through". Second, Duich Lots (not Lotts): "A number of small holdings situate in the right of the road leading from Bowmore to Port Ellen, and about five miles from the former place. The property of John Ramsay Esqr Kildalton". 

Duich Farm still exists. It is at https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NR3154

Duich Lotts was definitely neither a town nor a single farm. Nor was it a hamlet, which is a cluster of houses close together, differentiated from a village by not having a church. It was a crofting township, where each house was sited separately on its own few acres of land. 

It is quite common to find a dozen or so houses in the same area sharing a place name where a landowner had divided the land into smaller parcels and let them individually. This is what it looks like on the mid-19th century map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=55.70832&lon=-6.25669&layers=5&b=1 - you can see the satellite view by moving the blue button to the left. Note that it is spelled Duich Lots on that map. There are some photographs at https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NR3354 and https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NR3353. Having seen those I am not surprised that it has been abandoned because it looks like wet boggy land and would have been very hard to farm. 

A lot (or lott, if you prefer) is such a piece of land, which a crofter would have rented and on which he would have built a cottage (which means a simple building like the one here https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NB3149 that would have housed the family and their livestock under one roof). 

Allotments in this day and age are, very specifically, rented garden plots that are **not** beside the tenant's house, though in the 19th century the term was used for smallholdings. If there is planted ground next to and belonging to a house, it is called a garden. (For the avoidance of doubt, the distinction between a garden and a yard is that a yard is never cultivated. It may be unsurfaced but more often it is paved or cobbled or covered with tarmac or concrete.) Crofts would have a vegetable garden, and perhaps even a small flower garden, close to the house, and the rest of their land would have been arable or pasture. 

Allotments in the contemporary sense are not common. There are estimated to be about 330,000 allotments in England and Wales, which works out at something in the region of one allotment per 200 people. In Scotland there are even fewer - about 10,000, which is about one for every 500 people. 

As for Zoopla, it would not surprise me if the supposed house for sale there is a figment of the imagination of Zoopla's computer system, which hasn't even got the name right - it's added a comma betwen Duich and Lotts. Notice that all the financial figures are estimated, and there is no information about the supposed house, so the information is not based on an actual sale.



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