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Re: Duich Lotts
Diane, I have started looking through the pages on the Scottish Places link you provided. It is going to take some time to see it properly, but I am genuinely looking forward to a better look. It has me quite excited. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: Glynn Currie <glynn.currie@...> Date: 2020-12-19 16:54 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts Thanks Diane. I appreciate your help. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: "M. Diane Rogers" <diane_rogers@...> Date: 2020-12-19 15:55 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts https://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townfirst14706.html Diane M Diane Rogers ----- Original Message ----- Both my paternal grandparents were born on Islay. I have been told about the Island ever since I was very young. Grampa was John Currie, born in 1879...Snipped
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Re: DNA
Josephine Conray
Hello Bret.
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Would you know? Should a sister match with her 5 brothers, would she match to both her Father and Mother or just one of them. What does it mean when the sister does not match. Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bret Busby Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2020 10:33 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] DNA On 19/12/20 6:12 pm, Bob Elder via groups.io wrote: *If my eldest sister was to her DNA done would it be any different than Hello, Bob. I am the Project Administrator for the Busby name project at familytreedna.com . I am no expert, but, the following may be helpful. At familytreedna.com, for males, they have the Y-DNA test series, and the Family Finder test, and, for females, they have the mtDNA test and the Family Finder test. These are not the only genealogical DNA tests that they offer, but, I believe that they are the most useful and helpful The Y-DNA test, tests for matches, along the patrilineal line (father, father's father, father's father's father, etc, etc, etc. The Y-DNA test is applicable to the Y chromosome, and, males have (mostly) the XY chromosome combination (apparently, XXY and XYY chromosome combinations can exist, but, this is not the place for going into that part of biology). The mtDNA test traces the X chromosome , and females have (mostly) the XX chromosome combination (apparently, the XXX chromosome combination, also exists, but, once again, this is not the place for going into that part of biology) The mtDNA test, tests for matches along the matrilineal line (mother, mother's mother, mother's mother's mother, etc, etc, etc). The Family Finder test is an autosomal test, that tests for possible ancestral relationships of both genders, from what I understand, going back to five generations, and, returns results indicating possible relationships ("This match may be a third to fifth cousin" kind of matches) for both sexes. What I recommend to people, is that, males, undergo the 37 marker Y-DNA test and the Family Finder test, and, females, undergo the Family Finder test, and, doing this, through a name project, and, once the test results are returned, joining as many applicable name and geographic projects, as can be found (so as to aid in finding possible matches within those projects), the same as I recommend for joining genealogical mailing lists. Regarding geographic genealogical DNA projects, a number exist, for Scotland, and for the UK, at familytreedna.com . These can be useful both for finding possible relatives, and, for tracing ancestral movements. So, I recommend that anyone who is researching genealogy relating to Scotland, and, who has had familytreedna.com genealogy DNA testing, done, should join the Scotland geographical DNA projects, in addition to name projects, to make the research more comprehensive. Also, out of interest, familytreedna.com have discounted offers on their genealogical DNA tests, at present, until 27 December. I hope that this information is helpful. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..............
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Re: Duich Lotts
A question that has just occured to me after reading John's reply: Would Duich Lotts be a name that applied to a group of several farms developed near one another, or would it be a single farm worked by one family? Would it be termed a croft? Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: Glynn Currie <glynn.currie@...> Date: 2020-12-19 16:38 (GMT-08:00) To: John Kemplen <john.kemplen@...>, Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts Thanks John.That is wonderful information very detailed and useful. I appreciate your help tremendously. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: John Kemplen <john.kemplen@...> Date: 2020-12-19 15:30 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io, ", Glynn Currie" <glynn.currie@...> Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts Hello Glynn The place east of Bowmore is, a believe, usually known as Dluich. I have never seen anywhere else beginning with "Dl" and I have no idea how to say it, but there it is. The place your people came from is south of Bowmore. Duich is on
the A846 ("the Low Road") where it crosses the Duich River, and
Duich Lots (or Lotts) is about a mile east of there, just over
half way to the B8016 ("the High Road") and a little way north of
Loch Dhomhnull. It is still named on good maps, but nobody lives
there any more. You can see some rather sad pictures of some of
the abandoned cottages there if you follow this link: There are a few other places called Lotts or Lots in that area - Glenegedale Lots, Glenegedalemoor Lots, Glenmachrie Lots - all on very peaty land between Bowmore and Port Ellen. I do not know what the term means, but it seems to relate to outlying land associated with the place with the name without "Lotts" after it, often rather poor land at that. I have found that the best website for finding very detailed
modern maps of Scotland is Canmore. Start here: I hope this helps. If you still have difficulty finding the location or have other Islay-related questions, do not hesitate to ask. Regards John
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Thanks Diane. I appreciate your help. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: "M. Diane Rogers" <diane_rogers@...> Date: 2020-12-19 15:55 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts https://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townfirst14706.html Diane M Diane Rogers ----- Original Message ----- Both my paternal grandparents were born on Islay. I have been told about the Island ever since I was very young. Grampa was John Currie, born in 1879...Snipped
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Re: DNA
Just a clarification - all children of a woman have her mtDNA, no matter the sex of the child. So XY people can do 3 tests; XX people can do two. Unless there is specific interest in the paternal line, the autosomal test at Ancestry gives the best value for money, IMO. That said, the only male in the line -- if there are funds, go for Big Y. If not, Y 37 and you can always upgrade later. Siblings will generally match on mtDNA, match about 50% on autosomal tests, brothers will match on Y. So having all the siblings do au tests is extremely valuable if you can't test the parents. The Big Y results will grow in value over time, as more men test. -v
On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 4:32 AM Bret Busby <bret@...> wrote: On 19/12/20 6:12 pm, Bob Elder via groups.io wrote: --
http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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Re: Duich Lotts
Thanks John.That is wonderful information very detailed and useful. I appreciate your help tremendously. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: John Kemplen <john.kemplen@...> Date: 2020-12-19 15:30 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io, ", Glynn Currie" <glynn.currie@...> Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Duich Lotts Hello Glynn The place east of Bowmore is, a believe, usually known as Dluich. I have never seen anywhere else beginning with "Dl" and I have no idea how to say it, but there it is. The place your people came from is south of Bowmore. Duich is on
the A846 ("the Low Road") where it crosses the Duich River, and
Duich Lots (or Lotts) is about a mile east of there, just over
half way to the B8016 ("the High Road") and a little way north of
Loch Dhomhnull. It is still named on good maps, but nobody lives
there any more. You can see some rather sad pictures of some of
the abandoned cottages there if you follow this link: There are a few other places called Lotts or Lots in that area - Glenegedale Lots, Glenegedalemoor Lots, Glenmachrie Lots - all on very peaty land between Bowmore and Port Ellen. I do not know what the term means, but it seems to relate to outlying land associated with the place with the name without "Lotts" after it, often rather poor land at that. I have found that the best website for finding very detailed
modern maps of Scotland is Canmore. Start here: I hope this helps. If you still have difficulty finding the location or have other Islay-related questions, do not hesitate to ask. Regards John
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Re: Duich Lotts
Duich lots, Islay - description from 'Scottis Places' here:
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https://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townfirst14706.html Diane M Diane Rogers
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Re: Duich Lotts
John Kemplen
Hello Glynn The place east of Bowmore is, a believe, usually known as Dluich. I have never seen anywhere else beginning with "Dl" and I have no idea how to say it, but there it is. The place your people came from is south of Bowmore. Duich is on
the A846 ("the Low Road") where it crosses the Duich River, and
Duich Lots (or Lotts) is about a mile east of there, just over
half way to the B8016 ("the High Road") and a little way north of
Loch Dhomhnull. It is still named on good maps, but nobody lives
there any more. You can see some rather sad pictures of some of
the abandoned cottages there if you follow this link: There are a few other places called Lotts or Lots in that area - Glenegedale Lots, Glenegedalemoor Lots, Glenmachrie Lots - all on very peaty land between Bowmore and Port Ellen. I do not know what the term means, but it seems to relate to outlying land associated with the place with the name without "Lotts" after it, often rather poor land at that. I have found that the best website for finding very detailed
modern maps of Scotland is Canmore. Start here: I hope this helps. If you still have difficulty finding the location or have other Islay-related questions, do not hesitate to ask. Regards John
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
Anne Farrar
The following is a direct quotation from the Borders Family History
webpage
“Selkirk Parish is situated in the County of
the same name being bounded on the north by the Parishes of Caddonfoot and
Galashiels, on the east by the Parishes of Bowden and
Lilliesleaf and on the south-east by the Parish of Ashkirk all in
Roxburghshire, on the south-west by the parish of Kirkhope and on
the west by the Parish of Yarrow. Ashkirk
is now linked with the ecclesiastical parish of Selkirk. “
From: ROBERT F.
RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Midlem, August 15th.,1762 Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in
the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by
minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name
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Duich Lotts
Both my paternal grandparents were born on Islay. I have been told about the Island ever since I was very young. Grampa was John Currie, born in 1879 at Duich Lotts. His father was Donald Currie and his mother was Catherine McFadyen. I would like to locate the farm where he was born and learn a bit about it. On an old map of Islay that I found on the internet I can see two places named Duich. One is located close to Bowmore, a little north and east. The other is located south and east of Bowmore, near the present day airport. Would anyone know anything about these two locations which would allow me to learn which place was my grandfather's home? Sent from my Galaxy
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Re: DNA
Bret Busby
On 19/12/20 6:12 pm, Bob Elder via groups.io wrote:
*If my eldest sister was to her DNA done would it be any different than mine, or would she have the same markers as myself just a thought as there is no other male line in the family.* Hello, Bob. I am the Project Administrator for the Busby name project at familytreedna.com . I am no expert, but, the following may be helpful. At familytreedna.com, for males, they have the Y-DNA test series, and the Family Finder test, and, for females, they have the mtDNA test and the Family Finder test. These are not the only genealogical DNA tests that they offer, but, I believe that they are the most useful and helpful The Y-DNA test, tests for matches, along the patrilineal line (father, father's father, father's father's father, etc, etc, etc. The Y-DNA test is applicable to the Y chromosome, and, males have (mostly) the XY chromosome combination (apparently, XXY and XYY chromosome combinations can exist, but, this is not the place for going into that part of biology). The mtDNA test traces the X chromosome , and females have (mostly) the XX chromosome combination (apparently, the XXX chromosome combination, also exists, but, once again, this is not the place for going into that part of biology) The mtDNA test, tests for matches along the matrilineal line (mother, mother's mother, mother's mother's mother, etc, etc, etc). The Family Finder test is an autosomal test, that tests for possible ancestral relationships of both genders, from what I understand, going back to five generations, and, returns results indicating possible relationships ("This match may be a third to fifth cousin" kind of matches) for both sexes. What I recommend to people, is that, males, undergo the 37 marker Y-DNA test and the Family Finder test, and, females, undergo the Family Finder test, and, doing this, through a name project, and, once the test results are returned, joining as many applicable name and geographic projects, as can be found (so as to aid in finding possible matches within those projects), the same as I recommend for joining genealogical mailing lists. Regarding geographic genealogical DNA projects, a number exist, for Scotland, and for the UK, at familytreedna.com . These can be useful both for finding possible relatives, and, for tracing ancestral movements. So, I recommend that anyone who is researching genealogy relating to Scotland, and, who has had familytreedna.com genealogy DNA testing, done, should join the Scotland geographical DNA projects, in addition to name projects, to make the research more comprehensive. Also, out of interest, familytreedna.com have discounted offers on their genealogical DNA tests, at present, until 27 December. I hope that this information is helpful. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..............
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Re: DNA
orange.wasps
Is she only had her mitochondrial DNA tested, it would be the same as yours, but only you have a Y chromosome.
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Ruth
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DNA
Bob Elder
If my eldest sister was to her DNA done would it be any different than mine, or would she have the same markers as myself just a thought as there is no other male line in the family.
Thank Bob
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
Ken Harrison
Bailer should read Baillie (a civic leader).
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Ken iPad
On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:21 AM, ROBERT F. RIDER <duneatik@...> wrote:
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
ROBERT F. RIDER
Yes the marriage data is correct.Robert Elliott is Agnes' Father and her Mother was Euphemia Tudhope. I do not know who Robert born 1722 parents were. The Robert Tudhope was a bailer in Selkirk which I believe was a law officer of some sort. The naming patterns
for that time would indicate Roberts Gfather may also be a Robert as his first male child was named that but died. The Grandmother Euphemia would mean the child Euphemia was called after her.Thank you for the site to email too.
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of ROBERT F. RIDER <duneatik@...>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 12:06:01 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson I checked any the time I viewed for that but saw no others. I just looked at an old map of Roxburgshire. Roberts bible said all his children were born in Bowden. Askirk is very close and there was a
Hundalee close which could be Hunlie I suspect. The old writing is not clear on my documents but the spelling is sometimes anyone's guess as well. It also showed a Kirk at Ashkirk which probably is the Kirk in the documents. In Scotland I believe the name
was spelled Thomson but in the US all but one son used Thompson. He was also a Robert and a Methodist preacher in WA. D.C. in the early 1800's.
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Goldie & Lido Doratti <lidogold2@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:56:34 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson If you can go back and re-read the film..take down all the THOMpSON and Elliot families you can find........you may find someone around the same time period who is related......then work with that person and see what you get. Maybe nothing, but it’s worth
the shot. I have seen TOMSON spelling as well....work with any/all spellings you can come up with. But DO go back over the film. It’s a hard go, I admit, but easy to miss a detail. Could HUNLIE, be HUNTLY? Goldie
From: ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Midlem, August 15th.,1762 Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
ROBERT F. RIDER
I checked any the time I viewed for that but saw no others. I just looked at an old map of Roxburgshire. Roberts bible said all his children were born in Bowden. Askirk is very close and there was a Hundalee close which could be Hunlie I suspect. The old writing
is not clear on my documents but the spelling is sometimes anyone's guess as well. It also showed a Kirk at Ashkirk which probably is the Kirk in the documents. In Scotland I believe the name was spelled Thomson but in the US all but one son used Thompson.
He was also a Robert and a Methodist preacher in WA. D.C. in the early 1800's.
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Goldie & Lido Doratti <lidogold2@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:56:34 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson If you can go back and re-read the film..take down all the THOMpSON and Elliot families you can find........you may find someone around the same time period who is related......then work with that person and see what you get. Maybe nothing, but it’s worth
the shot. I have seen TOMSON spelling as well....work with any/all spellings you can come up with. But DO go back over the film. It’s a hard go, I admit, but easy to miss a detail. Could HUNLIE, be HUNTLY? Goldie
From: ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Midlem, August 15th.,1762 Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
Josephine Conray
Hi Robert
Found these records, For Agnes wife of your Robert, her Baptism 19 Jan 1724 showing her parents as Robert Elliot & Euphin Tudhope, do you know are these her parents is this right and 2 marriages one under Elliot and the other under Elliott
What information do you have on Robert Parents and family and also Agnes Elliot parents and Family?
This below is the link to site + Census of Selkirk 1817 on the list is the names of possible connection. J Thomson 4 people, William two houses 7people, Robert Elliot 8 people (Possible father to Agnes Elliot Robert wife) Robert Tudhope, possible connection to the family. You could email them they might be able to help you.
http://www.bordersfhs.org.uk/selkirk.asp
Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Friday, 18 December 2020 10:35 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
 These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 Midlem, August 15th.,1762 Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife
in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before
the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of
Midlem. The childs name Andrew.
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
Goldie & Lido Doratti
If you can go back and re-read the film..take down all the THOMpSON and
Elliot families you can find........you may find someone around the same time
period who is related......then work with that person and see what you
get. Maybe nothing, but it’s worth the shot. I have seen TOMSON
spelling as well....work with any/all spellings you can come up with. But
DO go back over the film. It’s a hard go, I admit, but easy to miss a
detail. Could HUNLIE, be HUNTLY? Goldie
From: ROBERT F.
RIDER
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:35 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson
These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Midlem, August 15th.,1762 Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in
the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by
minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name
Andrew.
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Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
ROBERT F. RIDER
These are from the associated churches microfilm I ordered in and viewed and copied at my local LDS church. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Midlem, August 15th.,1762 Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliott, his wife in Howdenhawgh in the parish of Ashkirk hade a child baptized at Hunlie before the congregation by minister Andrew Arnott in the associate congregation of Midlem. The childs name Andrew.
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
That sounds like good evidence. Though I am puzzled because I cannot find the baptism of Euphemia Thom(p)son on FS or in the IGI. Which Associate Church was it, and do the baptisms list names of witnesses, the parents' residence, or Robert's occupation?
I would not recommend Ancestry for Scottish research, as they only have a small proportion of the available Scottish records, and much of what they have is in the form of transcriptions or indexes, rather than original documents. Some of their transcriptions are notorious for their .... er .... creative spelling of personal and place names. FamilySearch, and especially the International Genealogical Index, can be very useful in providing pointers to the original information, but again it has mainly transcriptions and indexes, and (regrettably) has mixed the indexes from original sources with some very unreliable information from dubious sources. It also sometimes makes potentially misleading assumptions, for example that a man is aged 25 and a woman 21 at marriage, or that people were born in their parish of marriage, or in the same parish as their children. The best source for Scottish records is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk which has instant access to digital images of most of the surviving Scottish records. It's pay-per-view but modestly priced. Though as you have discovered you can go to any Family History Centre run by the LDS Church and arrange to rent the microfilms any of the records indexed on FS or in the IGI.
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