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Re: Church of Scotland

Donald Young
 

Hi Glynn;
 
In Great Britain, the state recognizes or favours one denomination as the established church.  In England, the Anglican Church is the recognized church and becomes known as the Church of England. In Scotland, the government recognized the Presbyterian Church as the favoured denomination, and so it was styled the Church of Scotland. This recognition goes back several centuries when England and Scotland were separate, but what impact the distinction has today I don’t know. The Queen does have ties to the Church of England.
 
Hope this helps somewhat.
 
Donald Young  
 

Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 2:16 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Church of Scotland
 
 
Happy Hogmanay,
 
I wonder if anyone can explain the relationship between the Church of Scotland and the Presbyterian Church and the Church of England. I am having difficulty understanding some of the things I am reading.
Glynn
 
 
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Re: Church of Scotland

W David Samuelsen
 

Glynn Currie,

Church of Scotland is Presbyterian. 


Church of England is Anglican or Episcopal 


The differences

Hope this help you.



On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 12:17 PM Glynn Currie <glynn.currie@...> wrote:

Happy Hogmanay,

I wonder if anyone can explain the relationship between the Church of Scotland and the Presbyterian Church and the Church of England. I am having difficulty understanding some of the things I am reading.
Glynn


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Church of Scotland

Glynn Currie
 


Happy Hogmanay,

I wonder if anyone can explain the relationship between the Church of Scotland and the Presbyterian Church and the Church of England. I am having difficulty understanding some of the things I am reading.
Glynn


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What a year 2020 has been!

 

Dearest fellow genealogists,
 
As I write, it's a quiet Christmas night, in a quiet, distant holiday season. I miss the noise and fun of being with family, but I'm so thankful to you, each of you, for joining with me in this quest we have to discover and recover families who are out of touch with ancestors and living cousins too. 
 
Mastering Genealogical Proof by Thomas W. Jones was a Christmas present this year, and I was delighted to read on page one:
What is genealogy?
Genealogy is a research field concerned primarily with accurately reconstructing forgotten or unknown identities and relationships. Many of these relationships existed in the past, but genealogists' research also includes living people. Genealogy emphasizes biological and marital kinships, but also addresses adoptive, extramarital, and other kinds of relationships within and across generations. 
There has much grief and loss this year and I'm afraid more lies ahead. However, I see many reasons to be hopeful and anticipate some great things in the future. 
 
Happy holidays,
 
Valorie


Re: Mystery Photo SOLVED

Barbara Gooding
 

Yes, Fiona, you are correct!  Good sleuthing.  With a bit more digging, I found this Hugh Fraser's photo in another article in the San Francisco newspaper.  He was the organizer of several clans along the Pacific Coast and claimed to be a descendant of Lord Lovat of Inverness.  He died in 1921.


Re: Place name

Anne Burgess
 


Re: Place name

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks Donald. It is interesting to see the many "cousins" one gets after so many generations.
Glynn



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-------- Original message --------
From: Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 19:27 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name

HI Glynn;
 
I am a descendant of Hugh Cameron who married a Nancy McNabb on Islay in 1826.  That’s all I have with a McNabb.
 
Thank you for posting.
 
Donald Young
 
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
 
Ken,
Merry Christmas.
My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?
Glynn
 
 
 
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-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
 
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s.  They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time.  Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison).  At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours).  I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
 

On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:

Hi all;

I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's.  I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there?
Thank you.

Donald Young
 


Re: Place name

Ken Harrison
 

Donald,

Apart from the use of the very small number of identical names used in Islay at the time, I can not find in my data any of the persons you name.  I have multiple cases of persons with the same names, but the dates and/or spouses show they come nowhere near matching your data.

Good Luck & Merrie Christmas.

Ken

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Young
Sent: December 24, 2020 7:07 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name

 

Hi Ken;

 

When you have time, I would like to know more.

 

The earliest name I have is Duncan Cameron of Ballychatrigan.  His son Hugh married a Nancy McNabb in 1826 on Islay.  Duncan married a Margaret McVorran as a second wife in 1809 on Islay. I don’t know anything about Duncan or his first wife. I am a descendant of Hugh. 

 

Merry Christmas and happy new year.

Thank you

 


Re: Place name

Ken Harrison
 

Glynn,

I have your Andrew and Catherine (who I assume you meant was born 1779) in my data, plus 8 children and several generations below them.  Catherine sometimes went by the name McMath.  I have no data prior to the two of them.

I have not been able to prove any connection between my mob and Andrew’s, and all the data I have has been sent to me over the past couple of decades by other persons on predecessors to this List.

Please contact me off List at kenharrisonATShaw.ca and we can figure out how best for me to send to you what I have.

Ken

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glynn Currie
Sent: December 24, 2020 6:53 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name

 

Ken,

Merry Christmas.

My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?

Glynn

 


Re: Place name

Donald Young
 

Hi Ken;
 
Thank you for responding.  When you have some time, I would be interested in what you have.  My ancestor is Duncan Cameron of Ballichatrigan whose first spouse is unknown. His second wife was Margaret Mcvorran, whom he married in 1809 at Kidalton.  His son Hugh married a Nancy McNabb in 1826 at Kidalton. I know nothing about Duncan.  Hugh came to Canada in 1847.
 
Merry Christmas and happy New Year.
 
Donald Young
 

Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
 
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s.  They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time.  Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison).  At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours).  I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
 

On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:

Hi all;

I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's.  I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there?
Thank you.

Donald Young
 


Re: Place name

Donald Young
 

HI Glynn;
 
I am a descendant of Hugh Cameron who married a Nancy McNabb on Islay in 1826.  That’s all I have with a McNabb.
 
Thank you for posting.
 
Donald Young
 

Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
 
Ken,
Merry Christmas.
My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?
Glynn
 
 
 
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-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
 
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s.  They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time.  Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison).  At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours).  I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
 

On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:

Hi all;

I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's.  I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there?
Thank you.

Donald Young
 


Re: Place name

Donald Young
 

Hi Ken;
 
When you have time, I would like to know more.
 
The earliest name I have is Duncan Cameron of Ballychatrigan.  His son Hugh married a Nancy McNabb in 1826 on Islay.  Duncan married a Margaret McVorran as a second wife in 1809 on Islay. I don’t know anything about Duncan or his first wife. I am a descendant of Hugh. 
 
Merry Christmas and happy new year.
Thank you
 

Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
 
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s.  They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time.  Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison).  At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours).  I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
 

On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:

Hi all;

I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's.  I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there?
Thank you.

Donald Young
 


Re: Place name

Glynn Currie
 

Ken,
Merry Christmas.
My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?
Glynn



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name

Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s.  They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time.  Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison).  At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours).  I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada


On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:

Hi all;

I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's.  I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there?
Thank you.

Donald Young


Re: Place name

Ken Harrison
 

Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s.  They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time.  Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison).  At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours).  I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada


On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:

Hi all;

I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's.  I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there?
Thank you.

Donald Young


Place name

Donald Young
 

Hi all;

I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's.  I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there?
Thank you.

Donald Young


Re: Mystery Photo

RussellR
 

Hi Barbara

Have you run the picture through Google images to see if there is a match?  I tried, but the scan was too small to get any useful results, but a higher resolution file might get better results.

You could also try this website - http://www.tartansauthority.com/tartan-ferret/ - if the search facility cannot identify the tartan, you could try emailing them a copy of the image to see if they can give you any help.


Re: Mystery Photo

Fiona Turnbull
 

I would be willing to bet this is him

Best wishes

Fiona Turnbull


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Barbara Gooding via groups.io <barbgooding@...>
Sent: 23 December 2020 21:43
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo
 
I received this photo from a relative's estate.  Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man?  The photo is quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on photographic paper not a thick card.  It probably dates from the late 1800s to early 1900s.  The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat have told me he is not one of their people.  One suggestion was the tartan looked like McKenzie.  If it helps, my family was mainly from Glasgow, Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire.  Their surnames were Fletcher, Richardson, and Graham.  Many thanks.

Barbara from California


Re: Wishing you all

mllorimer34
 

Happy Holidays to you Valorie , your Loved Ones and All the Listers ! 🎄🎅🤶🎄
Best wishes , 
Marie-Laure



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-------- Original message --------
From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@...>
Date: 23/12/2020 03:37 (GMT+00:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Wishing you all

Happy holidays and best of health to you too, Lauraine!

And to us all. 

All the best,

Valorie

PS: Keep wearing your masks, keeping your distance, and washing your hands!

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:34 PM Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote:
A very good Christmas  or festive season and hoping the New Year bring us some relief from the Virus 19 pandemic.  It’s been a tough year, but we seem to have survived so HOPE is what we have.  Good health to all on the list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick.   
Canada
 
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http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Anne Burgess
 

Might be worth it - you have nothing to lose by asking.

Anne


mystery photo

tsinclair@...
 

Wow, he's very distinguished looking with all the regalia. If there's a Clan association in the US, perhaps you can run it by the clan genealogist/historian to see if they can identify him.

Toni, in snowy Canada

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