Re: Queen Elizabeth
Lindsay Graham
Janet, you appear to be assuming that United Kingdom and Great
Britain are synonymous. However, UK includes Northern Ireland, but
GB does not. For example, see the useful map/diagram at
https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-great-britain-and-the-united-kingdom.
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Lindsay Graham Canberra, Australia
On 2/1/21 01:48, Janet Farmer via
groups.io wrote:
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Re: Church of Scotland
Happy New Year Everyone,
Thank you for all of your responses to my question . You have conformed what I had originally thought and added some details that were unknown. I appreciate that. My question arose because I had read that the queen's church in Scotland was the Church of Scotland. Knowing she was head of the Church of England I jumped to the conclusion that the two churches might be the same. That misunderstanding was answered by the knowledge there are few Anglican family churches in Scotland. It would thus become natural for the monarch to attend the established Church under the circumstance. Thanks again for your help. Glynn
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Queen Elizabeth
Janet Farmer
Happy New Year to everyone. I'm not disagreeing with Anne just clarifying the Queen's title: The official style of the monarch is "By the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. In plain language: Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain (Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland), Canada and the Commonwealth. I think I've gotten it correct):- Janet
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Re: Church of Scotland
The head of the Church of England is HM Queen Elizabeth, who is the second Queen Elizabeth in England but only the first to reign in Scotland. King Henry VIII and Queen Elizabeth I of England, and every British monarch since James VI (James I of England) has been head of the C of E, including Charles II who did not actually convert to Roman Catholicism, and his brother James VII (James II of England), whose strong inclinations towards Roman Catholicism led to his abdication. See Wikipedia article on King Charles II of England.
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Re: Church of Scotland
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 04:05 AM, <garyturnbull@sympatico.ca> wrote:
No, that isn't correct. The Church of Scotland is Presbyterian, but it is not the only Presbyterian denomination in Scotland. And the terms 'Conformist' and 'Non-conformist' are technically meaningless in Scotland. It originated in the 1660s, when the Church of England was restored in England as the official state religion. Anyone who refused to conform to the doctrines of the Church of England was called a non-conformist. This was before the union of Scotland with England-and-Wales in 1707 and the legislation defining the relationship of the Church of England to the monarch and government in England did not apply and never has applied in Scotland. Presbyterians in Scotland who do not adhere to the Church of Scotland are Dissenters, not Non-conformists. Anne
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Re: Church of Scotland
The Church of Scotland and the Church of England are entirely independent of one another. There are differences in the forms of worship, but the fundamental difference is in how the church hierarchy is organised.
The Church of Scotland is one of many Presbyterian denominations. Presbyterian churches do not have bishops. the hierarchy is a series of committees. Each congregation is managed by a committee called the Kirk Session, which consists of the minister and elders. Each one sends the minister and representative elder to the Presbytery, which is a committee that oversees a wider area, including all the parishes in that area. Every Presbytery belongs to a still larger area called a Synod, and all Synods belong to the General Assembly, which is made up of all ministers and some but far from all representative elders. Every Presbyterian denomination has its own Kirk Sessions and its own General Assembly so if you are speaking about the 'General Assembly' you should really specify which one - for example the 'General Assembly of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland' - but the term 'General Assembly' on its own is usually taken to mean the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland. The Church of England is one of many Episcopalian denominations. Episcopalian means that the church hierarchy includes bishops. Apart from one or two small congregations the Church of England does not operate in Scotland. The corresponding Protestant Episcopalian denomination in Scotland is the Scottish Episcopal Church, also known as the Episcopal Church in Scotland, and sometimes referred to as the English Church. It is independent of the Church of England, but is in full communion with the Church of England as part of the worldwide Anglican Communion. HTH Anne
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Re: Church of Scotland
W David Samuelsen
The head of the Church of England is Queen Elizabeth II. Every ruler since Henry VIII had been head of the Church of England, except maybe Charles II (was he, considering that he was Roman Catholic?) David Samuelsen
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 9:05 PM <garyturnbull@...> wrote:
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Re: Church of Scotland
garyturnbull@...
Hi Glynn
I believe the Presbyterian Church is the same thing as the Church of Scotland. It is the official or conformist church of Scotland. All other churches in Scotland are considered non-conformist. The Anglican Church is considered the official Church of England. Again other denominations are considered non-conformist.
Regards Gary
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glynn Currie
Sent: December 31, 2020 2:17 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [ScotGen] Church of Scotland
Happy Hogmanay,
I wonder if anyone can explain the relationship between the Church of Scotland and the Presbyterian Church and the Church of England. I am having difficulty understanding some of the things I am reading. Glynn
Sent from my Galaxy
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Re: Church of Scotland
Donald Young
Hi Glynn;
In Great Britain, the state recognizes or favours one denomination as the
established church. In England, the Anglican Church is the recognized
church and becomes known as the Church of England. In Scotland, the government
recognized the Presbyterian Church as the favoured denomination, and so it was
styled the Church of Scotland. This recognition goes back several centuries when
England and Scotland were separate, but what impact the distinction has today I
don’t know. The Queen does have ties to the Church of England.
Hope this helps somewhat.
Donald Young
Happy Hogmanay,
I wonder if anyone can explain the relationship between the Church of
Scotland and the Presbyterian Church and the Church of England. I am having
difficulty understanding some of the things I am reading.
Glynn
Sent from my Galaxy
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Re: Church of Scotland
W David Samuelsen
Glynn Currie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland#/media/File:Reformed_Scots_Church_Denominations.svg Church of England is Anglican or Episcopal The differences Hope this help you.
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 12:17 PM Glynn Currie <glynn.currie@...> wrote:
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Church of Scotland
Happy Hogmanay, I wonder if anyone can explain the relationship between the Church of Scotland and the Presbyterian Church and the Church of England. I am having difficulty understanding some of the things I am reading. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
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What a year 2020 has been!
Dearest fellow genealogists,
As I write, it's a quiet Christmas night, in a quiet, distant holiday season. I miss the noise and fun of being with family, but I'm so thankful to you, each of you, for joining with me in this quest we have to discover and recover families who are out of touch with ancestors and living cousins too.
Mastering Genealogical Proof by Thomas W. Jones was a Christmas present this year, and I was delighted to read on page one:
There has much grief and loss this year and I'm afraid more lies ahead. However, I see many reasons to be hopeful and anticipate some great things in the future.
Happy holidays,
Valorie
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Re: Mystery Photo SOLVED
Barbara Gooding
Yes, Fiona, you are correct! Good sleuthing. With a bit more digging, I found
this Hugh Fraser's photo in another article in the San Francisco
newspaper. He was the organizer of several clans along the Pacific
Coast and claimed to be a descendant of Lord Lovat of Inverness. He died in 1921.
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Re: Place name
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.59813&lon=-6.24538&layers=5&b=1
https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NR3241
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Re: Place name
Thanks Donald. It is interesting to see the many "cousins" one gets after so many generations. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> Date: 2020-12-24 19:27 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name HI Glynn;
I am a descendant of Hugh Cameron who married a Nancy McNabb on Islay in
1826. That’s all I have with a McNabb.
Thank you for posting.
Donald Young
Ken,
Merry Christmas.
My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from
Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able
to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine
Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James
McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?
Glynn
Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------
From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Ken Harrison
Donald, Apart from the use of the very small number of identical names used in Islay at the time, I can not find in my data any of the persons you name. I have multiple cases of persons with the same names, but the dates and/or spouses show they come nowhere near matching your data. Good Luck & Merrie Christmas. Ken
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Young
Sent: December 24, 2020 7:07 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
Hi Ken;
When you have time, I would like to know more.
The earliest name I have is Duncan Cameron of Ballychatrigan. His son Hugh married a Nancy McNabb in 1826 on Islay. Duncan married a Margaret McVorran as a second wife in 1809 on Islay. I don’t know anything about Duncan or his first wife. I am a descendant of Hugh.
Merry Christmas and happy new year. Thank you
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Re: Place name
Ken Harrison
Glynn, I have your Andrew and Catherine (who I assume you meant was born 1779) in my data, plus 8 children and several generations below them. Catherine sometimes went by the name McMath. I have no data prior to the two of them. I have not been able to prove any connection between my mob and Andrew’s, and all the data I have has been sent to me over the past couple of decades by other persons on predecessors to this List. Please contact me off List at kenharrisonATShaw.ca and we can figure out how best for me to send to you what I have. Ken
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glynn Currie
Sent: December 24, 2020 6:53 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
Ken, Merry Christmas. My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection? Glynn
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Re: Place name
Donald Young
Hi Ken;
Thank you for responding. When you have some time, I would be
interested in what you have. My ancestor is Duncan Cameron of
Ballichatrigan whose first spouse is unknown. His second wife was Margaret
Mcvorran, whom he married in 1809 at Kidalton. His son Hugh married a
Nancy McNabb in 1826 at Kidalton. I know nothing about Duncan. Hugh came
to Canada in 1847.
Merry Christmas and happy New Year.
Donald Young
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Donald Young
HI Glynn;
I am a descendant of Hugh Cameron who married a Nancy McNabb on Islay in
1826. That’s all I have with a McNabb.
Thank you for posting.
Donald Young
Ken,
Merry Christmas.
My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from
Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able
to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine
Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James
McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?
Glynn
Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------
From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Donald Young
Hi Ken;
When you have time, I would like to know more.
The earliest name I have is Duncan Cameron of Ballychatrigan. His son
Hugh married a Nancy McNabb in 1826 on Islay. Duncan married a Margaret
McVorran as a second wife in 1809 on Islay. I don’t know anything about Duncan
or his first wife. I am a descendant of Hugh.
Merry Christmas and happy new year.
Thank you
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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