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Church of Scotland
Happy Hogmanay, I wonder if anyone can explain the relationship between the Church of Scotland and the Presbyterian Church and the Church of England. I am having difficulty understanding some of the things I am reading. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
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What a year 2020 has been!
Dearest fellow genealogists,
As I write, it's a quiet Christmas night, in a quiet, distant holiday season. I miss the noise and fun of being with family, but I'm so thankful to you, each of you, for joining with me in this quest we have to discover and recover families who are out of touch with ancestors and living cousins too.
Mastering Genealogical Proof by Thomas W. Jones was a Christmas present this year, and I was delighted to read on page one:
There has much grief and loss this year and I'm afraid more lies ahead. However, I see many reasons to be hopeful and anticipate some great things in the future.
Happy holidays,
Valorie
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Re: Mystery Photo SOLVED
Barbara Gooding
Yes, Fiona, you are correct! Good sleuthing. With a bit more digging, I found
this Hugh Fraser's photo in another article in the San Francisco
newspaper. He was the organizer of several clans along the Pacific
Coast and claimed to be a descendant of Lord Lovat of Inverness. He died in 1921.
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Re: Place name
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&;lat=55.59813&lon=-6.24538&layers=5&b=1
https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NR3241
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Re: Place name
Thanks Donald. It is interesting to see the many "cousins" one gets after so many generations. Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> Date: 2020-12-24 19:27 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name HI Glynn;
I am a descendant of Hugh Cameron who married a Nancy McNabb on Islay in
1826. That’s all I have with a McNabb.
Thank you for posting.
Donald Young
Ken,
Merry Christmas.
My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from
Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able
to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine
Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James
McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?
Glynn
Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------
From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Ken Harrison
Donald, Apart from the use of the very small number of identical names used in Islay at the time, I can not find in my data any of the persons you name. I have multiple cases of persons with the same names, but the dates and/or spouses show they come nowhere near matching your data. Good Luck & Merrie Christmas. Ken
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Young
Sent: December 24, 2020 7:07 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
Hi Ken;
When you have time, I would like to know more.
The earliest name I have is Duncan Cameron of Ballychatrigan. His son Hugh married a Nancy McNabb in 1826 on Islay. Duncan married a Margaret McVorran as a second wife in 1809 on Islay. I don’t know anything about Duncan or his first wife. I am a descendant of Hugh.
Merry Christmas and happy new year. Thank you
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Re: Place name
Ken Harrison
Glynn, I have your Andrew and Catherine (who I assume you meant was born 1779) in my data, plus 8 children and several generations below them. Catherine sometimes went by the name McMath. I have no data prior to the two of them. I have not been able to prove any connection between my mob and Andrew’s, and all the data I have has been sent to me over the past couple of decades by other persons on predecessors to this List. Please contact me off List at kenharrisonATShaw.ca and we can figure out how best for me to send to you what I have. Ken
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glynn Currie
Sent: December 24, 2020 6:53 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
Ken, Merry Christmas. My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection? Glynn
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Re: Place name
Donald Young
Hi Ken;
Thank you for responding. When you have some time, I would be
interested in what you have. My ancestor is Duncan Cameron of
Ballichatrigan whose first spouse is unknown. His second wife was Margaret
Mcvorran, whom he married in 1809 at Kidalton. His son Hugh married a
Nancy McNabb in 1826 at Kidalton. I know nothing about Duncan. Hugh came
to Canada in 1847.
Merry Christmas and happy New Year.
Donald Young
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Donald Young
HI Glynn;
I am a descendant of Hugh Cameron who married a Nancy McNabb on Islay in
1826. That’s all I have with a McNabb.
Thank you for posting.
Donald Young
Ken,
Merry Christmas.
My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from
Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able
to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine
Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James
McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection?
Glynn
Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------
From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...>
Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Donald Young
Hi Ken;
When you have time, I would like to know more.
The earliest name I have is Duncan Cameron of Ballychatrigan. His son
Hugh married a Nancy McNabb in 1826 on Islay. Duncan married a Margaret
McVorran as a second wife in 1809 on Islay. I don’t know anything about Duncan
or his first wife. I am a descendant of Hugh.
Merry Christmas and happy new year.
Thank you
Donald,
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several
generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid
1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and
working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s,
while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time.
My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various
spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to
Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps
yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up
with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you
later.
Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year!
Ken Harrison
Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Ken, Merry Christmas. My paternal grandmother is descended fro two McNabb families who came from Islay and settled in Simcoe Ontario some time around 1830. I have not been able to connect them to a family in Islay. Andrew McNabb, b.1777, his wife Catherine Matheson, b. 1879, children: Findlay McNabb, 1813, Duncan McNabb b. 1810, James McNabb b.c. 1815. Would you have a connection? Glynn Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...> Date: 2020-12-24 18:29 (GMT-08:00) To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Place name It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time. My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later. Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year! Ken Harrison Vancouver, Canada On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Re: Place name
Ken Harrison
Donald,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
It was indeed a farm, in the south of the island, and where several generations of my ancestry lived, from at least the late 1700s to mid 1800s. They were tenant farmers and there were several families living and working on the farm at any given time. Mine left for Canada in mid 1800s, while cousins stayed on Islay to the present time. My lot were mainly McNabb (various spellings) and McVoran (various spellings, and anglicized in the early 1800s by some family groups to Morrison). At least one branch in Ontario married a Young (perhaps yours). I don’t have my data open right now, and seem to be a bit tied up with another event, but would be interested in pursuing this with you later. Merry Christmas and a Vaccinated New Year! Ken Harrison Vancouver, Canada
On Dec 24, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Donald Young <donaldandkaren@...> wrote:
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Place name
Donald Young
Hi all;
I have ancestors who lived at Ballicatrigan on the island of Islay in the 1790's. I presume this is the name of a farm. Has anyone researched the name, and/or prepared a history of settlement there? Thank you. Donald Young
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Re: Mystery Photo
RussellR
Hi Barbara
Have you run the picture through Google images to see if there is a match? I tried, but the scan was too small to get any useful results, but a higher resolution file might get better results. You could also try this website - http://www.tartansauthority.com/tartan-ferret/ - if the search facility cannot identify the tartan, you could try emailing them a copy of the image to see if they can give you any help.
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Re: Mystery Photo
I would be willing to bet this is him
Best wishes
Fiona Turnbull
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Barbara Gooding via groups.io <barbgooding@...>
Sent: 23 December 2020 21:43 To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io> Subject: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo I received this photo from a relative's estate. Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man? The photo is
quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on photographic paper not a thick card. It probably dates from the late 1800s to early 1900s. The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat
have told me he is not one of their people. One suggestion was the tartan looked like McKenzie. If it helps,
my family was mainly from Glasgow, Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire. Their surnames were Fletcher, Richardson, and Graham. Many thanks.
Barbara from California
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Re: Wishing you all
mllorimer34
Happy Holidays to you Valorie , your Loved Ones and All the Listers ! 🎄🎅🤶🎄 Best wishes , Marie-Laure Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@...> Date: 23/12/2020 03:37 (GMT+00:00) To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Wishing you all Happy holidays and best of health to you too, Lauraine! And to us all. All the best, Valorie PS: Keep wearing your masks, keeping your distance, and washing your hands! On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:34 PM Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote: A very good Christmas or festive season and hoping the New Year bring us some relief from the Virus 19 pandemic. It’s been a tough year, but we seem to have survived so HOPE is what we have. Good health to all on the list. http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
Might be worth it - you have nothing to lose by asking.
Anne
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mystery photo
tsinclair@...
Wow, he's very distinguished looking with all the regalia. If there's a Clan association in the US, perhaps you can run it by the clan genealogist/historian to see if they can identify him.
Toni, in snowy Canada
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Re: Mystery Photo
Allan MacBain
Hi Barbara, Is there any way you can get a higher resolution scan of the photo? I can't get close enough to be able to make out the cap, or shoulder, badges without massive pixelation. Allan MacBain MBCS Associate Genealogist (UK & Europe), Clan MacBean Association.
On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 23:45, susanmargaret2 <susanmargaret2@...> wrote:
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Re: Mystery Photo
Goldie & Lido Doratti
Yes, nice find.....I’m wondering if someone wrote “Chief....” on it
implying he was the eldest of the family in the USA......most of us would say
Matriarch of the family, but maybe someone else had a different
thought........ Just trying to think outside the box..maybe it was
all in jest? He looks like he has been well
fed and is a healthy sort. Goldie
From: susanmargaret2
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:42 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
; Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo I can't help, but I wanted to say, what an amazing photograph! I hope
you figure out who it is.
Susan
Sent from my Galaxy Tab® S2 -------- Original message --------
From: "Barbara Gooding via groups.io"
<barbgooding@...>
Date: 2020-12-23 4:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io"
<scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Mystery Photo
I received this photo from a relative's
estate. Any suggestions for identifying this mystery man? The photo
is quite small: slightly less than 2" x 4" and it's printed on
photographic paper not a thick card. It probably dates from the late 1800s
to early 1900s. The photo is marked "Chief Hugh Fraser," but
representatives of Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat have told me he is not
one of their people. One suggestion was the tartan looked like
McKenzie. If it helps, my family was mainly from Glasgow,
Dumbfries-shire, and Renfrewshire. Their surnames were Fletcher,
Richardson, and Graham. Many thanks.
Barbara from
California
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