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Re: Islay

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Lynn, I am a little confused.  I don't know what to do to see Islay posts only. I am hoping someone can help
Regards
Johan

 
 


On Thursday, 6 February 2020, 16:03:15 GMT, Lynn Seamark <lmseamark@...> wrote:


Just a question - Did I miss something when we changed from Rootsweb to this site? Is it now a general Scotland not specifically Islay?

Lynn




Re: Islay

Lola Cook
 

I thought we were researching on Islay......no?

Lola Cook

On Feb 6, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Lynn Seamark <lmseamark@...> wrote:

Just a question - Did I miss something when we changed from Rootsweb to this site? Is it now a general Scotland not specifically Islay?

Lynn



Re: Islay

Fiona MacAlister
 

Hi 

The Islay group is a sub-group of the Scots group. We seem to have be automatically subscribed to both. 

Regards,

Fiona


On Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 18:03 Lynn Seamark, <lmseamark@...> wrote:
Just a question - Did I miss something when we changed from Rootsweb to this site? Is it now a general Scotland not specifically Islay?

Lynn




Re: Falkirk Burns House

ANGUS Administrator
 

As far as I know there are no canals anywhere near Ellisland, or in Dumfries-shire or Ayrshire.

Karina, when do you think this Burns House might have been demolished?

The Forth and Clyde Canal passes through Falkirk. It was opened in 1790. https://www.geograph.org.uk/snippet/19721

In 1822 the Union Canal, linking Edinburgh with the Forth and Clyde Canal, was opened. See https://www.geograph.org.uk/snippet/12001

In the 1930s the Union Canal was closed and the flight of locks at Falkirk was built on.

In the late 20th century the Union Canal was restored and the Falkirk Wheel was built to replace the flight of locks and reinstate the link between the two canals. http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS8580

So it would be really useful to know roughly when you think this 'Burns House' might have been demolished.

Also, do you think it had anything to do with Robert Burns, or are the references to places associated with him red herrings?

Anne

-----Original Message-----
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen
Sent: 06 February 2020 05:46
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Falkirk Burns House

Are you referring to Ellisland Farm site? Other houses are still standing (birthplace) and Dumfries.

David Samuelsen

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:34 PM Karina McHugh <karinamchugh@... <mailto:karinamchugh@...> > wrote:


Anybody have any information about Burns House. It doesn't exist anymore, but was demolished to make way for a canal or something. I can't find anything about it. Hoping someone out there does.

Karina


Re: Islay

M. Diane Rogers
 

Lynn,

There is a very active Islay list - we are a subgroup to this main Scots list. (There are other subgroups.)

You don't have to get e-mails from both, if you don't want.  And you can always go to your Groups.io home page to read messages.

Islay (subgroup of Scots) -  https://scotland-genealogy.groups.io/g/Islay


Diane 
Islay Group moderator 


From: "Lynn Seamark" <lmseamark@...>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:54:41 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] Islay

Just a question - Did I miss something when we changed from Rootsweb to this site? Is it now a general Scotland not specifically Islay?

Lynn

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Thomas Smith b 1854 in Shetland

Lauraine Syrnick
 

Thomas was born to Laurence Smith
and Anderina Eunson/Yonson. He is the
only one in this Smith family I cannot find.
Thomas was living with in his Mothers home in the 1871 Census but then disappears. His mother lived until 1898. We visited Shetland in 2016 but no one seemed to know where he went. Scotland’s People’s has no record of his death. Anyone who can help?
Lauraine.


Re: Seeking information about "the Deanery", Leith or Edinburgh, 1890s

Susan Kiley
 

Fiona, thank you, thank you!  You've given me instant access to information that I'd been unable to find despite untold hours of searching.  I'm going to go looking for those novels next. 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 6:16 AM Fiona Turnbull <fionaturnbull@...> wrote:
Hi Susan
I think you are looking for Dean Orphanage (I remember it plays a key role in the Peter May novels) http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/reviews/viewcompanywebsite.aspx?firmaName=dean+orphanage&companyId=20032284 


Hope this helps

Fiona Turnbull

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Susan Kiley <susankiley@...>
Sent: 06 February 2020 07:01
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Seeking information about "the Deanery", Leith or Edinburgh, 1890s
 
I’ve had no luck searching online.  My paternal grandfather Thomas Wright was born in Leith in 1884,  His father, a dock worker, died in 1888 leaving ten children, including my then-three years old grandfather.  My grandfather said that his mother placed all her boys at “The Deanery” and that his mother and all the girls went into service.  In 1907, at the age of 22, Thomas emigrated to Canada. 
     I’m not sure if the story is true, especially given that I’ve found Thomas living with family members at the time of both the 1891 and the 1901 censuses, but I’m hoping to learn if there actually was a “Deanery” that might have housed destitute children in the late 1800s,  Bonus points given if anyone knows if records of children housed there still exist!
                                                                                                                    Thank you, Susan Wright Kiley from USA 
       



Re: Use of codes

Janet Miller
 

To code or not to code indeed

Well said Lindsay, Now back to the drawing board.
Cheers
Janet in New Zealand


Spittal Farm, Rutherglen

Martin Sweet
 

Hi

Does anyone know the history or have any pictures of Spittal Farm in Rutherglen? My ancestor, James Sweet, farmed there from about 1780 to 1810.

There is now a housing development in the area called “Old Spittal Farm” giving some confirmation that it did exist.

Thank you

Martin Sweet


Re: Use of codes

Anne Burgess
 

I have 50,000+individuals in my tree. For every single one the county/state/country/province etc is abbreviated using Chapman codes. Assuming that the average full name is 9 letters, that's one-third of the typing, 50,000+ times. That's a lot of typing, and a lot of time, and a lot of damage to my arthritic fingers avoided.

I don't mind whether they are compulsory or not, but I have used the full county name in the titles of my two Scottish lists.

Anne

-----Original Message-----
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lindsay Graham
Sent: 06 February 2020 06:27
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Use of codes

With what are you disagreeing, Anne? The issue is not whether individuals wish to make use of Chapman codes in their own research (as you and many others do, but many do not) but whether Chapman codes should be compulsory in the headings of emails to this list. If they are, that forces every reader to become familiar with Chapman codes, an impossible and quite inappropriate requirement. It would also mean that some emails quoting Chapman codes would simply be ignored by some readers who are not familiar with them. That would be a great pity.

Realistically, how much extra time does it take one to spell the word out in a single email heading rather than using a 3-letter code that many readers will not recognise?

Lindsay Graham
Canberra, Australia



On 6/2/20 0956, Anne Burgess via Groups.Io wrote:


I absolutely disagree. You soon learn the ones you use regularly. I almost never need to look up a UK code. And it's a lot less pain to look up an occasional code than to type out 'Ross and Cromarty' (17 keystrokes) or 'Montgomeryshire' (16) instead of 'ROC' or 'MGY' (just 3 each). That's why they were invented - to save typing.

Anne


Re: Use of codes

Anne Burgess
 

Angus is ANS and it was Forfarshire not Forforeshire.

Anne

-----Original Message-----
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lauraine Syrnick
Sent: 06 February 2020 02:47
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Use of codes

Yes, realized they were abbreviation
and I use SHI sometimes. However, also belong to WIkiTree and you have to write the full contents of places so people from all over the world can readily understand0 what place you are talking about. For those living in Scotland, these may be a benefit but for the many people living in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States do not see this as being viable. I have so much paper on my desk, another piece will not help and would never find it. Must try and find out which abbreviation is for Angus or Forforeshire.
Lauraine Syrnick
On Feb 5, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Jocelyn Gould <@jocelyngould> wrote:

Hello Lauraine - thanks for your comment. To answer your question - ROC is the code for Ross and Cromarty, as I stated in my initial suggestion, just to use an example. Some more examples - INV = Inverness, BAN = Banff, MOR = Moray etc. They're fairly self explanatory really. By the way, they are available in many other locations and a printed page comes in handy.

How about if those who are used to using them, continue to do so and those not familiar, not use them, then the reader can decide whether to read the post or not.

Jocelyn

On 5/02/2020 7:27 pm, Edie McArthur wrote:
HI,
I actually found the list of codes to be handy. I printed them all out and used one this morning when I posted about the whereabouts of any old Cathcart Farmsc1850's in Renfrewshire. RFW. It shorted the subject heading for me. To each his own I guess.

Edie McArthur

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@...>
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 4 Feb, 2020 At 6:40 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Use of codes

Definitely agree with Lindsay. Such codes are not good for all of us. Yes, maybe we should use them, but have no idea what’s ROC means. Will have to look it up which is a real pain.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick - Canada









Re: Falkirk Burns House

Ken Harrison
 

Photos 1 and 4 are of his home at Alloway, near Ayr and Brig o’ Doon.

Ken iPad

On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:29 AM, Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote:

I found the following:




On Feb 5, 2020, at 13:34, Karina McHugh <karinamchugh@...> wrote:

Anybody have any information about Burns House. It doesn't exist anymore, but was demolished to make way for a canal or something. I can't find anything about it. Hoping someone out there does.

Karina





Islay

Lynn Seamark
 

Just a question - Did I miss something when we changed from Rootsweb to this site? Is it now a general Scotland not specifically Islay?

Lynn


Re: Burial in Glasgow 1840 - where?

rjpaton
 

Glasgow Cathedral is the High Kirk or High Church (technically it hasn't been a cathedral for several centuries)

On 06/02/2020 10:33, Rosemary wrote:
I am trying to work out exactly where someone was buried in Glasgow in 1840.
I have the image from ScotlandsPeople [1]
 Interments from the Royal Infirmary during May 1840
 Date of registration of death: April 14 [probably May - too many dittos]
 Date of burial: 15
 Murdoch MCKINLAY, porter
 Residence: Stertwill.. [? Stockwell Street]
 Undertakers: Simpson
 Where buried -
 - in the lair of Common Ground
 - churchyard: St. Mary
 Disease: fever
 Aged 45
Lair = (Scots): A burial space reserved in a graveyard.
There were 25 people on this page buried in common ground at St. Mary's
So, was he buried in common ground in the churchyard of St. Mary's?
And if so, which church is it?
From what I've managed to find so far there is a St. Mary's church but it's Roman Catholic, not Church of Scotland and it wasn't opened until 1842.
But I have just found on FindMyPast a record of his burial at Glasgow High Church, Glasgow [2]
Is Glasgow High Church, Glasgow Cathedral? There was a large burial ground there which opened in 1833. [3]
Thank you reading this far,
Rosemary
Northumberland, UK
[1] Old Parish Registers Deaths 644/1 550 236 Glasgow, page 236
[2] https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FGLASGOW%2FBUR%2F172764
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Necropolis


Re: Burial in Glasgow 1840 - where?

rjpaton
 

Glasgow Cathedral is the High Kirk or High Church (pedantically it hasn't been a Cathedral for centuries) - There used to be a burial ground associated with the Cathedral North of the building but that was built over during the Victorian era and is now under the Victorian end of the Royal Infirmary. As suggested by Fiona the Necropolis is another option as it opened for business in 1833.


Re: Falkirk Burns House

Martin Sweet
 

The one on the left is Burns Cottage in Alloway. It is well known as that and unlikely to be referred to as Burns House.

Best regards
Martin

On 5 Feb 2020, at 20:09, Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote:

I found the following:




On Feb 5, 2020, at 13:34, Karina McHugh <karinamchugh@...> wrote:

Anybody have any information about Burns House. It doesn't exist anymore, but was demolished to make way for a canal or something. I can't find anything about it. Hoping someone out there does.

Karina






Re: Seeking information about "the Deanery", Leith or Edinburgh, 1890s

Fiona Turnbull
 

Hi Susan
I think you are looking for Dean Orphanage (I remember it plays a key role in the Peter May novels) http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/reviews/viewcompanywebsite.aspx?firmaName=dean+orphanage&companyId=20032284 


Hope this helps

Fiona Turnbull


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Susan Kiley <susankiley@...>
Sent: 06 February 2020 07:01
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Seeking information about "the Deanery", Leith or Edinburgh, 1890s
 
I’ve had no luck searching online.  My paternal grandfather Thomas Wright was born in Leith in 1884,  His father, a dock worker, died in 1888 leaving ten children, including my then-three years old grandfather.  My grandfather said that his mother placed all her boys at “The Deanery” and that his mother and all the girls went into service.  In 1907, at the age of 22, Thomas emigrated to Canada. 
     I’m not sure if the story is true, especially given that I’ve found Thomas living with family members at the time of both the 1891 and the 1901 censuses, but I’m hoping to learn if there actually was a “Deanery” that might have housed destitute children in the late 1800s,  Bonus points given if anyone knows if records of children housed there still exist!
                                                                                                                    Thank you, Susan Wright Kiley from USA 
       



Re: Burial in Glasgow 1840 - where?

Fiona Turnbull
 

Hi Rosemary
I used to work at Glasgow Royal Infirmary and if I were going to make an educated guess I would say it's the Glasgow Necropolis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Necropolis GRI is next door to the Catherdral and the necropolis is across the highway (used to be a burn) from both. 
The Glasgow Necropolis is a Victorian cemetery in Glasgow, Scotland.It is on a low but very prominent hill to the east of Glasgow Cathedral (St. Mungo's Cathedral). Fifty thousand individuals have been buried here. Typically for the period only a small percentage are named on monuments and not every grave has a stone.
en.wikipedia.org
If it was St Mary's then that is now known as the Abercromby Street burial ground which probably still has my muddy footprints in it.  It is quite possible that fever victims were buried there because it was available and then moved to the Necropolis. 
Hope this helps
Fiona Turnbull


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Rosemary <rosemary@...>
Sent: 06 February 2020 10:33
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: [ScotGen] Burial in Glasgow 1840 - where?
 

I am trying to work out exactly where someone was buried in Glasgow in 1840.

I have the image from ScotlandsPeople [1]

  Interments from the Royal Infirmary during May 1840
  Date of registration of death: April 14 [probably May - too many dittos]
  Date of burial: 15
  Murdoch MCKINLAY, porter
  Residence: Stertwill.. [? Stockwell Street]
  Undertakers: Simpson
  Where buried -
  - in the lair of Common Ground
  - churchyard: St. Mary
  Disease: fever
  Aged 45

Lair = (Scots): A burial space reserved in a graveyard.

There were 25 people on this page buried in common ground at St. Mary's

So, was he buried in common ground in the churchyard of St. Mary's?
And if so, which church is it?

 From what I've managed to find so far there is a St. Mary's church but
it's Roman Catholic, not Church of Scotland and it wasn't opened until 1842.

But I have just found on FindMyPast a record of his burial at Glasgow
High Church, Glasgow [2]

Is Glasgow High Church, Glasgow Cathedral? There was a large burial
ground there which opened in 1833. [3]

Thank you reading this far,

Rosemary
Northumberland, UK

[1] Old Parish Registers Deaths 644/1 550 236 Glasgow, page 236
[2] https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FGLASGOW%2FBUR%2F172764
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Necropolis





Burial in Glasgow 1840 - where?

Rosemary
 

I am trying to work out exactly where someone was buried in Glasgow in 1840.

I have the image from ScotlandsPeople [1]

Interments from the Royal Infirmary during May 1840
Date of registration of death: April 14 [probably May - too many dittos]
Date of burial: 15
Murdoch MCKINLAY, porter
Residence: Stertwill.. [? Stockwell Street]
Undertakers: Simpson
Where buried -
- in the lair of Common Ground
- churchyard: St. Mary
Disease: fever
Aged 45

Lair = (Scots): A burial space reserved in a graveyard.

There were 25 people on this page buried in common ground at St. Mary's

So, was he buried in common ground in the churchyard of St. Mary's?
And if so, which church is it?

From what I've managed to find so far there is a St. Mary's church but it's Roman Catholic, not Church of Scotland and it wasn't opened until 1842.

But I have just found on FindMyPast a record of his burial at Glasgow High Church, Glasgow [2]

Is Glasgow High Church, Glasgow Cathedral? There was a large burial ground there which opened in 1833. [3]

Thank you reading this far,

Rosemary
Northumberland, UK

[1] Old Parish Registers Deaths 644/1 550 236 Glasgow, page 236
[2] https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FGLASGOW%2FBUR%2F172764
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Necropolis


Re: Codes

Edie Mc
 

Hi Janet,
I would only use Chapman codes in the subject heading to make room for more important info like names and dates. Not sure about anyone else, but when I click on the next email. I see the body of that email. It is in the body of the email you can write the full County name,so really it just makes a little more room in the subject heading to put more info. Headings can become quite long.

I have been researching for around 36 years and I can always remember seeing Chapman codes or similar. It is a matter of choice whether you use them. it isnt that confusing, as I said the County will be mentioned in the body of the message anyway. It is your choice really how you write the County, some are obvious some are not.
regards
Edie Mcrthur

------ Original Message ------
From: "Janet Miller" <janetmiller@...>
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 6 Feb, 2020 At 1:40 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Codes

Hi
I do not use codes and struggle some times to think what they are and could have written them many times by the time I look  them up and get them correct . Handy if one has a small data base , but my Scots relatives all 40,000 come from all over and I would rather remember them than fill my head with codes. Like anything of course one can get used to it if one has to, but they are surely not the best in a data base where descendants who are not genealogists will be looking or when a print out is sent. The uninitiated will struggle  no end  and of course a touch typist will not bother and an unrecognised code will just be a humbug.
What fun this genealogy is.
Cheers
Janet


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EdieMc