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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Claude Hanson <claudehanson@...>
 

Thank you Jim, Maggie, Charles, Goldie & Lida,  and Ray!  What a great day ... getting your suggestions and recommendations.  I tried to answer 
each of you individually; however, I couldn't figure out how.  (of all the things I've lost, I think I miss my mind the most)  I'm going to try to be very specific in the questions I ask... I'm not meaning to be rude or thoughtless.
1.  How do I contact "Scotland's People"?
2.  Right now I'm thinking my John McLeod was born 2/11/1853 in Dyke.  Info on Ancestry.com says his father Donald McLeod and mother Rebeckah Ross.  There must be an original birth record.  Where could I find it?
3.  The 1861 census of Forres that lists Christina Ross, Rebekah Ross, and John McLeod as a nephew of Christina Ross says the two ladies (I assume they are sisters) were born in Nairn, Nairnshire.  Christina 44 would have been born abt 1817 and Rebeckah 31 about 1830.  I assume this Rebeckah is John's mother and Christina is his aunt.  Where might we find who Christina and Rebeckah's parents are?
4.  Honestly, Charles, you put together four generations of that I took years to put together...plus making a trip with my wife and her sisters to Rafford to search for members of the Ross family.  The John McLeod we are looking for his my wife's grandfather.  and, her father is the Alexander John McLeod born in 1879.  I need to have clarified information you mentioned  concerning the 1851 census of Dyke area and the McLeod's and Ross's in the area.  I'm thinking Rebeckah and Donald, John's parents were never married.
5.  I also think perhaps there is a connection with John Bain and the Ross family...and that John McLeod is their grandson.  But how?
6.  And last!  Can anybody find a John McLeod in or around The Crook, in the Parish of Alves in the 1881 census?  That is just two years after he gave that area as his home when they registered the birth of their son, my father-in-law.

Sorry, this is so long...but, I do appreciate you all for your help.  Claude

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:13 PM aberloursearch via groups.io <aberloursearch=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

You could try contacting the local heritage centre at Grant lodge in Elgin, they have copies of the poor law records for the areas you are interested in. If your John MacLeod born 1854 or 1855 in Dyke was illegitimate there may be records of the mother applying for poor relief from the parish which may contain the name of his father and almost certainly the name of his mother.

Hope this may help with your research.

Regards

Ray 


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Have you tried Scotland's People???

Posted your Gedcom on Wikitree?

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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

aberloursearch@...
 

Hi,

You could try contacting the local heritage centre at Grant lodge in Elgin, they have copies of the poor law records for the areas you are interested in. If your John MacLeod born 1854 or 1855 in Dyke was illegitimate there may be records of the mother applying for poor relief from the parish which may contain the name of his father and almost certainly the name of his mother.

Hope this may help with your research.

Regards

Ray 


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Subject: Re: [ScotGen] 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Have you tried Scotland's People???

Posted your Gedcom on Wikitree?

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 06:23:37 PM PDT, Claude Hanson <claudehanson@...> wrote:


 
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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Meg
 

Isent a reply but it didn't come through due to the way I have my mailing lists threaded. My mistake

Hi Claude

Hope this helps, I can't see any reason this isn't your man, unless anyone else can.

I did a quick check on Libindx but couldn't turn up anyone that could be him so I turned to Scotland's People, did a search 1853-1856 and found a John Mcleod born 2/11/1853 in Dyke to Donald Mcleod and Rebekah Ross - seems pretty good to me with his aunts being Ross. Did he marry and do you have his death certificate? And I'd be interested in if Rebekah died early and if these are her sisters, just to cross check.


Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

My advice would also be to go to Scotland’s People.  After 1855 all marriages and births were supposed to be registered.  You could get his birth registration, and also check some of the census records.  Here in Canada it costs about $13 for 5 queries, so make them count.  Figure out what you need to find the info you want and then go and try it. 
If you know for sure he is born 1879, then that’s not him on the 1871 census.  I  would try the 1881 and see what I could find.  Possibly he is illegitimate which is why you are having such a hard time finding him.  Just now here in Canada the Mormon Church Family History Rooms are closed, but if you go there you can see the film for yourself and see who the witnesses were.  Not all witnesses were given, sometimes a child was baptised ‘before the congregation’.......but if they are given it adds sometimes, some relatives to the parents which is of great help.  But try SP and see what you get.  Good luck, Goldie
 

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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...>
 

Hi,

Had a look for you, to me it looks most likely John McLeod born 1853/4 at Dyke is the son of John McLeod aged 22 on the 1851 Census and who was working with his brother James 20 at Feddan farm Dyke. The mother would be Rebecca Ross born about 1819 at Nigg, Ross & C. ( sometimes Nairn on censuses) the sister of Donald and Christina Ross who all farmed at Sneb or Snab, Dyke in 1851. Their mother was a Christian MUNRO? born abt 1776 Ross and C.

John and James McLeod were born at Kirkhill, Inverness according to the 1851 Census.

A bit less likely, but the John BAIN b 1793 Rafford and his wife Isabell MASSON b 1795 Rafford could be the grandparents of  the John McLEAN b 1853 who was with them on the 1871 Census  as it appears their daughter Mary BAIN had twin children by a David ROSS - Christina and Isabella ROSS who were born & died 1865 Forres. Given the children's name could be  the David Ross was son of the Christina Ross b abt 1815 Nigg, sister to Rebecca Ross.

Regards

Charles

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POSSIBLE ONLY

First Generation

1.  Alexander ROSS was born in 1790 in Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. In Apr 1881 he was a Pauper living with daughter Isabella in Corhall, Rafford.

Alexander ROSS had the following children:

    +2    i.    John ROSS, born 1811, Moy / Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland.
    3    ii.    Isabella ROSS was born in 1822 in Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland.

Second Generation

2.  John ROSS (Alexander-1) was born in 1811 in Moy / Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. In Apr 1851 he was an Agric Lab in Brochloch, Rafford. In Apr 1881 he was a Gen Labourer in Corhall, Rafford. John was a Labourer in Woodside Marcassie, Rafford.

Elizabeth MCKILLICAN was born in 1815 in Croy, Nairn, Scotland. She died in 1907 at the age of 92 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland.

John ROSS and Elizabeth MCKILLICAN had the following children:

    +4    i.    Margaret ROSS, born abt 24 Mar 1840, Kinloss, Moray, Scotland.
    5    ii.    Helen ROSS was born about 25 Jun 1842 in Kinloss, Moray, Scotland.
    6    iii.    Jane M ROSS was born about 6 Sep 1845 in Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died before Apr 1851 at the age of 5.
    7    iv.    Alexander ROSS was born about 8 Nov 1849 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland.
    8    v.    Mary Anne Paul ROSS was born about 13 May 1852 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died in 1942 at the age of 90 in Forres, Moray, Scotland.
    +9    vi.    Agnes McIntosh ROSS, born 1856, Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland; died 1939, Nairn, Nairn, Scotland.
    10    vii.    Hughina ROSS was born in 1859 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. In Apr 1881 she was a General Servant in Middlebank Farm, Errol, Perth.

Third Generation

4.  Margaret ROSS (John-2, Alexander-1) was born about 24 Mar 1840 in Kinloss, Moray, Scotland.

Margaret ROSS had the following child:

    11    i.    William "or Murray" ROSS was born on 15 Jun 1867 in Leith,  Edinburgh, Scotland.

9.  Agnes McIntosh ROSS (John-2, Alexander-1) was born in 1856 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died in 1939 at the age of 83 in Nairn, Nairn, Scotland.

In Apr 1851 John MCLEOD, son of John MCLEOD and Rebecca ROSS, was a Farm Servant in Feddan, Dyke, Moray. He was born in 1853 in Dyke, Moray, Scotland.

John MCLEOD and Agnes McIntosh ROSS had the following child:

    12    i.    Alexander MCLEOD was born in 1879 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland.



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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

MSymon <msymon@...>
 

Hi Claude

Hope this helps, I can't see any reason this isn't your man, unless
anyone else can.

I did a quick check on Libindx but couldn't turn up anyone that could be
him so I turned to Scotland's People, did a search 1853-1856 and found a
John Mcleod born 2/11/1853 in Dyke to Donald Mcleod and Rebekah Ross -
seems pretty good to me with his aunts being Ross. Did he marry and do
you have his death certificate? And I'd be interested in if Rebekah died
early and if these are her sisters, just to cross check.

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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Jim Walker
 

Have you tried Scotland's People???

Posted your Gedcom on Wikitree?

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Re: understanding ages in 1841 census

Anne Burgess
 
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The 1841 census was taken on 7 June, so if he really was aged 39 on census day, he would have been born between 8 June 1801 and 7 June 1802.If he was correctly shown as 35 he would have been born between 8 June 1801 and 7 June 1806.


Re: understanding ages in 1841 census

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

I disagree....ages were supposed to be rounded to the nearest 5.....BUT...it wasn't consistently done. IF you are looking at a census for 1841 in Scotland it is best to plus or minus 5 years. Then work from there. Sometimes that doesn't work either, but worth the try. IF you know where a person was born, that helps, but also you have to allow for WHO gave the info....for example....a wife may not be sure, or an older child may have given it. So do what you can with the 1841 and if this works then skip to the 1851.....then it should show the true age. Failing all of this, and IF you know where a person was born, go to Scotland's People and try that site.....costs, yes, but you will get the actual documentation from the Old Parish Record Book. It is true about the under 15's being shown as the true age. But remember the 1841 census was done in or about 7 June of the year...then IF you know the date of birth, use plus or minus 1 year. Someone born in May would have one answer while someone born in June might give the actual age, or give the age they would be next month.....follow me? Someone who was 38 should show as 40, while someone age 37 should show as 35, BUT in fact it is not consistent, again I say. Think "outside" the box ..Goldie

-----Original Message-----
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No he wouldn’t be shown as 39 but as 35.
Ages up to 15 were shown as the exact age. Ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, hence 39 shown as 35.

Regards
Terry Brown


Re: understanding ages in 1841 census

Terence Brown
 

No he wouldn’t be shown as 39 but as 35.
Ages up to 15 were shown as the exact age. Ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, hence 39 shown as 35.

Regards
Terry Brown


Re: understanding ages in 1841 census

JANET MORGAN
 

Thank you Ken. He was actually listed as 35. Sorry for that so it should hold true here then. Trying to narrow his parents down. I think he was Ayrshire and was married there in Kilwinning but most children were born in Renfrew. 

Janet Morgan

On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...> wrote:

If he was 39, he “should” have been shown as 35.  But application was very inconsistent.
If it shows 39, then it is highly probable that in the Spring of 1841 he claimed to be 39, and so born in the last 8 months of 1801 or the first 4 of 1802.

Ken iPad

On Jun 1, 2020, at 4:11 PM, JANET MORGAN via groups.io <Jmorgan441@...> wrote:



I believe that the ages for adults were rounded down in the 1841 census. Is this correct? I am searching for the parents of my Allan/Alan Bowie who shows up in Campbell St Johnstone, Renfrewshire as 39 years old. If he was born in the latter part of the year 1801, December,  would he still show up as 39?
This parentage has been a stumbling block for years.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Janet Bowie Morgan


Re: understanding ages in 1841 census

Ken Harrison
 

If he was 39, he “should” have been shown as 35.  But application was very inconsistent.
If it shows 39, then it is highly probable that in the Spring of 1841 he claimed to be 39, and so born in the last 8 months of 1801 or the first 4 of 1802.

Ken iPad

On Jun 1, 2020, at 4:11 PM, JANET MORGAN via groups.io <Jmorgan441@...> wrote:



I believe that the ages for adults were rounded down in the 1841 census. Is this correct? I am searching for the parents of my Allan/Alan Bowie who shows up in Campbell St Johnstone, Renfrewshire as 39 years old. If he was born in the latter part of the year 1801, December,  would he still show up as 39?
This parentage has been a stumbling block for years.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Janet Bowie Morgan


Re: "Finding Your Scottish Ancestors in Canada" at Scottish Indexes Conference Monday 8 June 2020 07:00 BST

 

Right, I've joined the Facebook group and will see when they schedule everything. I'm running a meeting for my Genealogy Society in the afternoon, so... we'll see how it all pans out. 

Thanks for the suggestion! I hope that the sessions will be available for watching later, too. -v


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:25 PM John Kemplen <john.kemplen@...> wrote:

Hi Valorie

I see that the conference is scheduled to continue until 10pm British time, which is 2pm your time, so perhaps you could contact the organisers to see if the Canadian presentation could be towards the end of the conference.

John


On 01/06/2020 22:46, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
From Twitter today: 

Are you tracing your Scottish ancestors in Canada? Christine Woodcock will present “Finding Your Scottish Ancestors in Canada” at the Scottish Indexes Conference on Monday 8 June 2020. Register for free on http://scottishindexes.com

While there, I saw that you can either access via Facebook, or from Zoom. 

Unfortunately for me, 7am in the UK is 11pm Sunday night.

Valorie



understanding ages in 1841 census

JANET MORGAN
 


I believe that the ages for adults were rounded down in the 1841 census. Is this correct? I am searching for the parents of my Allan/Alan Bowie who shows up in Campbell St Johnstone, Renfrewshire as 39 years old. If he was born in the latter part of the year 1801, December,  would he still show up as 39?
This parentage has been a stumbling block for years.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Janet Bowie Morgan


Re: "Finding Your Scottish Ancestors in Canada" at Scottish Indexes Conference Monday 8 June 2020 07:00 BST

John Kemplen
 

Hi Valorie

I see that the conference is scheduled to continue until 10pm British time, which is 2pm your time, so perhaps you could contact the organisers to see if the Canadian presentation could be towards the end of the conference.

John


On 01/06/2020 22:46, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
From Twitter today: 

Are you tracing your Scottish ancestors in Canada? Christine Woodcock will present “Finding Your Scottish Ancestors in Canada” at the Scottish Indexes Conference on Monday 8 June 2020. Register for free on http://scottishindexes.com

While there, I saw that you can either access via Facebook, or from Zoom. 

Unfortunately for me, 7am in the UK is 11pm Sunday night.

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"Finding Your Scottish Ancestors in Canada" at Scottish Indexes Conference Monday 8 June 2020 07:00 BST

 

From Twitter today: 

Are you tracing your Scottish ancestors in Canada? Christine Woodcock will present “Finding Your Scottish Ancestors in Canada” at the Scottish Indexes Conference on Monday 8 June 2020. Register for free on http://scottishindexes.com

While there, I saw that you can either access via Facebook, or from Zoom. 

Unfortunately for me, 7am in the UK is 11pm Sunday night.

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Public asked to solve Scottish archive picture mystery

 

I came across this story in a Geneanet blog: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52563761


Having only been in Scotland for 10 days, I'm not much help!

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Terence Brown
 

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Re: HOGG BLACKBURN

Anne Burgess
 

No, not for a moment would I trust that 'research'.

We've all done it. I spent a while climbing a wrong branch before discovering from her death certificate that my great-great-grandmother wasn't the person whose baptism I had found, but a person with exactly the same name born in exactly the same parish in exactly the same year whose baptism record has not survived.

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