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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Anne Burgess
 

Unfortunately facts are chiels that winna ding.

The John McLeod, coachman, married to Helen and living in Alves in 1901 gives his birthplace as Forgue, Aberdeenshire, not Dyke, Moray (FMP transcription). In 1891 John, occupation coachman, Helen and daughter Sarah were living in Elgin, and he gave his birthplace as Forgue (FMP). In 1881 he was in Nairn, birthplace again Forgue, occupation coachman (LDS CD-ROM transcription)

Did you look at the 1890 marriage or 1929 death certificate to check who his parents were? Because I have just done so, and according to the marriage certificate the parents of this John McLeod were JAMES McLEOD and ANN McDONALD. Not Donald McLeod and Rebecca Ross.

I don't know where you got that tree from (Ancestry?) but it's just plain wrong.


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Dee Horn
 

I found this on him on bing search  it seems tobe the same person






On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 04:16:37 PM MST, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:


I know - it's like looking for John Smith.  I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless.  But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?

Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.  Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins.  He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!

Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have

Lynne




Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

 

Hi Lynne,

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:16 PM Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
I know - it's like looking for John Smith.  I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless.  
But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?

Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800. 
My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People 
had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife 
Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched 
and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being 
naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line 
on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.  Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins.  He just wasn't talking 
and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!

Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have

Lynne

When you have found all you can about a person or family, then it's time to investigate their FAN club. What's that? Family, Associates, and Neighbors. I'm sure we've all heard (and usually
 ignored)the advice to always read the 3 pages before your family in the census, and the 3 pages after. Well, that's one way to start -- look at the earliest records you have, and who the family,
 associates and neighbors are. Move forward through time, and notice who shows up. Who are the witnesses? Pallbearers? What families did the children marry into? 

Begin with doing thorough research of any siblings or other close relatives who may have preceded them to Pennsylvania and then Ohio? Or accompanied them, and came later to join them?
 Have you checked old newspapers for social stories about the family? People usually came to a new place for a reason, and very often traveled with locals if not family.

For a bit more about this tactic, see https://lisalouisecooke.com/2016/10/29/genealogy-fan-club/ among many others. 

Hope this helps,

Valorie


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Donald Young
 

Hi Elizabeth; 
 
If you haven’t already checked .... There are a number of trees on Ancestry that have these individuals.  You might find something in one or more of them.
Blessings,
 
Donald Young 
 

From: Eliz Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Looking for Duncan Campbell...
 
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
 
Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
 
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Lynne


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Lynne

 

There are a lot on family trees on Ancestry with not much info but there was one with the same information as yours. Not sure if it your family but it some to work on

 

On her tree she has the following.

 

Duncan Campbell / Camble

 

Birth 5 May 1768 Argylleshire, Scotland, Great Britain

Death 25 September 1850 Radnor, Delaware County. Ohio. USA

 

Parents

Alexander Campbell about  b1741 Innerhadden, Fortingall, Perthshire

Katherine/Catherine McPhail  About b 1741 Innerhadden, Fortingall, Perthshire

They were married 19 April 1766 Fortingall Perthshire.

Two Chrildren

Donald Campbell 1766

Duncan Campbell or Camble c b1768

 

Different spelling names

 

Dorst  -- Darst

Wise – Weiss

 

Peter Campbell born about 1807 Pennsylvania & died 28 July 1865 Rochester, Racina Co. Wisconsin, USA. Married Elizabeth Winn 24 Jan 1836 Saint Joseph, Indiana, USA

 

 

She also has this record in her tree for a  soldier pension might be worth looking into.

 

 

UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920

 

 

Name                     Duncan Campbel

 

Enlistment Age       32

 

Discharge Age         46

 

Birth Date              1768

 

Birth Place              Glenorclay Argyle

 

Enlistment Year       1800

 

Discharge Year        1814

 

Regiment               2nd Battalion 79th Regiment Of Foot

 

 

 

 

 

This below is an Ancestry record for a Baptism .

Name:

Duncan Campbell

Gender:

Male

Baptism Date:

31 Jul 1768

Baptism Place:

Fortingall, Perth, Scotland

Father:

Alexander Campbell

Mother:

Katharin

FHL Film Number:

1040116, 0102727

 

 

 

I have search Scotland People and found these records for the Campbell family

 

Marriage of   CAMPBELL

ALEXANDER

KATHARIN MC PHAIL                                        M

19/04/1766

355/A

10 231

Fortingall

 

Birth of      CAMPBELL

DONALD

ALEXANDER CAMPBELL/KATRIN MC PHAIL FR116 (FR116)

M

27/03/1766

355/A

10 109

Fortingall

Birth of         CAMPBELL

DUNCAN

ALEXANDER CAMPBELL/KATHARIN

M

31/07/1768

355/A

10 114

Fortingall

 

Hope this helps

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynne Roberts
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 9:16 AM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Looking for Duncan Campbell...

 

I know - it's like looking for John Smith.  I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless.  But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?

 

Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

 

Info on family is:

Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH

Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH

Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor

Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH

Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH

Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI

William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859

Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

 

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.  Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins.  He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have

 

Lynne

 

 

 


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

You give their children..are the 2nd names you give MARRIED names, or in fact a second name of the child?  IF in fact, they are 2nd names you should also check out them.  For example......Rankin to me, would indicate someone’s grandmother’s maiden name.  Also the spellings.....the way you have spelled Christina..CHRISTIANA....never saw that spelling before.....try ‘messing’ with spellings and see what comes up.  DUNCAN may be shortened to Dunc.......Look for a marriage between Dunc and Christ** using wild cards.....but don’t give up on it.  Duncan Campbell is like looking for Joe Smith in New York city..how many do you think there were?  dig deep.....and Good luck......Goldie
 

From: Lynne Roberts
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:02 PM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Looking for Duncan Campbell...
 
I'm happy to keep on looking - but there's no place to look that I can find - that's the reason I'm sharing this with you all.  As I just said - experienced researchers Durie and Dobson told me to forget it - that there wasn't anything to find pre-1800.  I'm just not willing to throw in the towel.
 
Lynne
 
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:24 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
Pity. my guys boarded the boat in Glasgow. Little bits of info make up the jigsaw.keep looking

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 11:18 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:


Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc.  I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information.
 
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.
 
Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH
 
He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Lynne


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Lynne Roberts
 

I'm happy to keep on looking - but there's no place to look that I can find - that's the reason I'm sharing this with you all.  As I just said - experienced researchers Durie and Dobson told me to forget it - that there wasn't anything to find pre-1800.  I'm just not willing to throw in the towel.

Lynne

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:24 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
Pity. my guys boarded the boat in Glasgow. Little bits of info make up the jigsaw.keep looking

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 11:18 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:


Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc.  I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

 He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Lynne


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Lynne Roberts
 

Nope - nothing - there are no immigration records.  And I was told by Durie and Dobson that pre-1800 I shouldn't expect any immigration documentation at all.  There just aren't any records that I - or they - have been able to find.


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

 He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Lynne


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Eliz Cook
 

Pity. my guys boarded the boat in Glasgow. Little bits of info make up the jigsaw.keep looking

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 11:18 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:


Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc.  I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

 He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Lynne


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Lynne Roberts
 

Heck no - gives no personal information at all - other than his name etc.  I have found not a single document including will and probate that includes that information.


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:06 PM Eliz Cook <elizcook@...> wrote:
Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

 He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Lynne


Re: Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Eliz Cook
 

Does the immigration record say where he boarded the boat?

Eliz

On 3 Jul 2020, at 9:16 am, Lynne Roberts <lnroberts673@...> wrote:
Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

 He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!
Lynne
_._,_._,_


Looking for Duncan Campbell...

Lynne Roberts
 

I know - it's like looking for John Smith.  I've had experts tell me that it's hopeless - David Dobson and Bruce Durie gave me some help, but in effect said it was hopeless.  But hope springs eternal - and I've been looking for him for years - why stop now?

Duncan Campbell - my only immigrant ancestor - my one and only opportunity to research family naturalization and immigration records - is a complete enigma prior to just before 1800.  My problem is that I have no idea - and have no way of finding out - where in Scotland he came from.  I went to Scotland and spent a week at the National Archives (Scotland's People had nothing and sent me there) and found very interesting documents and letters - had a great time but found nothing to further my family research.  When he first arrived with his wife Christiana and daughter Katherine, he went to Pennsylvania and stayed a couple of years prior to moving on to Ohio.  Have never found credible proof of them in PA.  I have researched and catalogued his life since 1816 - in Licking County, OH.  He then moved on to Radnor, Delaware Co, OH where he remained for the rest of his life - and where I found him being naturalized in the court records.  The one way I thought I could trace him in Scotland was through traditional naming patterns.  That appears to be very useful and I think I have a line on families in the Killin, Perthshire area.  As an aside, I found it extremely interesting to follow the naming pattern - it didn't identify THE family, but it sure helped to eliminate a lot of others.

Info on family is:
Duncan Campbell 1768 Scotland -1850 Radnor Delaware OH
Christiana (Kider?) 1768 Scotland - 1849 Radnor Delaware OH
Katherine Toothaker 1794 Scotland - 1844 Radnor
Elizabeth Rankin 1798 PA 1861 Newark, Licking, OH
Susanna Wise 1806 PA 1864 Troy, Delaware, OH
Peter Campbell 1808 PA - 1856 Rochester, Racine, WI
William Campbell  abt 1810 - Licking Co, OH bef 5 Mar 1859
Isabella Darst - OH, 30 June 1882 Troy, Delaware, OH

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.  Have been to Radnor and through their court house and genealogy society - helpful but not for origins.  He just wasn't talking and before I die I'd love to know where he came from!!!

Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have

Lynne




Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...>
 

Hi Again,

Well done to Maggie finding John's father as Donald.

I think your John who was Baptised 2 Nov 1853 at Alves married Helen McIntosh at Inveravon, Banff in  1890, daughter of James McINTOSH b 1826 Inveravon, a cattleman there, and Amelia McQUEEN b 187 Auldearn, Nairn..

John and Helen had a least 8 children , 7 at Alves where John was probably the Blacksmith, John died in 1929 and his wife Helen in 1953,  both at Alves.

Rebecca ROSS was given as age 20 on the 1841 Census at Dyke and born out of County and was also shown as born at Nigg, Ross and Cromarty later as were her siblings.. So she would have been born between 1816 and 1821 at Nigg.( ages are rounded down to the closest 5 years).

The Donald Ross father of John McLeod MAY have been the one born at Dyke 29 Feb 1832 at  Dyke to Donald Ross (1794 Urray -1871 Dyke) and Ann Sim (1791 Garmouth -1874 Dyke). They were all living at Dyke in 1851.


First Generation

1.  Donald MCLEOD was born on 29 Feb 1832 in Dyke, Moray, Scotland.

and Rebecca ROSS, daughter of ROSS and Christian MUNRO, was born about 1821 in Nigg , R & C or Nairn, Nairn, Scotland.

Donald MCLEOD and Rebecca ROSS had the following child:

    +2    i.    John MCLEOD, born abt 2 Nov 1853, Dyke, Moray, Scotland; married Helen MCINTOSH, 1890, Inveravon, Banff, Scotland; died 1929, Alves, Moray, Scotland.

Second Generation

2.  John MCLEOD (Donald-1) was born about 2 Nov 1853 in Dyke, Moray, Scotland. He died in 1929 at the age of 76 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.

Agnes McIntosh ROSS, daughter of John ROSS and Elizabeth MCKILLICAN, was born in 1856 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died in 1939 at the age of 83 in Nairn, Nairn, Scotland.

John MCLEOD and Agnes McIntosh ROSS had the following child:

    3    i.    Alexander MCLEOD was born in 1879 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland.

John MCLEOD and Helen MCINTOSH were married in 1890 in Inveravon, Banff, Scotland. Helen MCINTOSH, daughter of James MCINTOSH and Amelia MCQUEEN, was born on 27 Mar 1865 in Inveravon, Banff, Scotland. She died in 1953 at the age of 88 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.

John MCLEOD and Helen MCINTOSH had the following children:

    4    i.    Sarah Ann MCLEOD was born in 1890 in Inveravon, Banff, Scotland.
    5    ii.    Georgina Marjory MCLEOD was born in 1892 in Dyke, Moray, Scotland.
    6    iii.    Isabella MCLEOD was born in 1895 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.
    7    iv.    John MCLEOD was born in 1897 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.
    8    v.    Helen McIntosh MCLEOD was born in 1900 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.
    9    vi.    Jessie Amelia MCLEOD was born in 1903 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.
    10    vii.    Evan MCLEOD was born in 1906 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.
    11    viii.    Rosie Mackessac MCLEOD was born in 1908 in Alves, Moray, Scotland.






 


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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Anne Burgess
 
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www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - it's a pay-per-view site, but modestly priced. It is the only place to find digital images of almost all original Scottish records of births/baptisms, banns/marriages and deaths (but not burials) and census.

In 1841 there is a family at Sneb, Dyke comprising Donald Ross, 30; Christian Ross, 65; Christian Ross, 25; and Rebecca Ross, 20. In 1851 Rebecca Ross, 27, is with her brother Donald, 37, and sister Christina, 34, at Snab of Moy, parish of Dyke. In 1861 Christina, 44, and Rebecca, 31, are in Forres with John McLeod, 7. If he was 7 in the 1861 census, which was taken on 7 April, so John must have been born between 8 April 1853 and 7 April 1854. That fits perfectly with the baptism on 2 November 1853.

There is a marriage of a Rebeccia Ross to David Winchester in Forres on 13 June 1862. This looks like the same Rebecca. If I were you I would want to see that marriage to confirm the parentage of Rebecca Ross. I would also want to look at the originals of the censuses to see if Rebecca's age really was recorded as 20 in 1841, 27 ten years later and 31 another ten years after that. The 1853 baptism might provide a clue about John McLeod's supposed father Donald McLeod.

I would also want to check the Dyke Kirk Session records to see whether they contain any information about Donald McLeod and Rebecca Ross. For information about this line of enquiry see https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825881.0

However none of this actually proves that John McLeod, illegitimate son of Donald McLeod and Rebecca Ross, is the one who fathered Alexander McLeod with Agnes Ross.

There is a John McLeod, aged 27, private patient, in Ladysbridge Hospital, near Banff in the 1881 census. I was unable to resist buying a copy of that census, and his place of birth is a bit mangled but could be Snab. The records of Ladysbridge Hospital are in the care of the Grampian Health Board archives in Aberdeen https://www.abdn.ac.uk/special-collections/nhs-grampian-archives-72.php. They should contain enough detail about this John McLeod to confirm whether or not he is 'yours'.

Over to you.


Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Claude Hanson <claudehanson@...>
 

Thank you Jim, Maggie, Charles, Goldie & Lida,  and Ray!  What a great day ... getting your suggestions and recommendations.  I tried to answer 
each of you individually; however, I couldn't figure out how.  (of all the things I've lost, I think I miss my mind the most)  I'm going to try to be very specific in the questions I ask... I'm not meaning to be rude or thoughtless.
1.  How do I contact "Scotland's People"?
2.  Right now I'm thinking my John McLeod was born 2/11/1853 in Dyke.  Info on Ancestry.com says his father Donald McLeod and mother Rebeckah Ross.  There must be an original birth record.  Where could I find it?
3.  The 1861 census of Forres that lists Christina Ross, Rebekah Ross, and John McLeod as a nephew of Christina Ross says the two ladies (I assume they are sisters) were born in Nairn, Nairnshire.  Christina 44 would have been born abt 1817 and Rebeckah 31 about 1830.  I assume this Rebeckah is John's mother and Christina is his aunt.  Where might we find who Christina and Rebeckah's parents are?
4.  Honestly, Charles, you put together four generations of that I took years to put together...plus making a trip with my wife and her sisters to Rafford to search for members of the Ross family.  The John McLeod we are looking for his my wife's grandfather.  and, her father is the Alexander John McLeod born in 1879.  I need to have clarified information you mentioned  concerning the 1851 census of Dyke area and the McLeod's and Ross's in the area.  I'm thinking Rebeckah and Donald, John's parents were never married.
5.  I also think perhaps there is a connection with John Bain and the Ross family...and that John McLeod is their grandson.  But how?
6.  And last!  Can anybody find a John McLeod in or around The Crook, in the Parish of Alves in the 1881 census?  That is just two years after he gave that area as his home when they registered the birth of their son, my father-in-law.

Sorry, this is so long...but, I do appreciate you all for your help.  Claude

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:13 PM aberloursearch via groups.io <aberloursearch=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

You could try contacting the local heritage centre at Grant lodge in Elgin, they have copies of the poor law records for the areas you are interested in. If your John MacLeod born 1854 or 1855 in Dyke was illegitimate there may be records of the mother applying for poor relief from the parish which may contain the name of his father and almost certainly the name of his mother.

Hope this may help with your research.

Regards

Ray 


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Hi,

You could try contacting the local heritage centre at Grant lodge in Elgin, they have copies of the poor law records for the areas you are interested in. If your John MacLeod born 1854 or 1855 in Dyke was illegitimate there may be records of the mother applying for poor relief from the parish which may contain the name of his father and almost certainly the name of his mother.

Hope this may help with your research.

Regards

Ray 


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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

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Isent a reply but it didn't come through due to the way I have my mailing lists threaded. My mistake

Hi Claude

Hope this helps, I can't see any reason this isn't your man, unless anyone else can.

I did a quick check on Libindx but couldn't turn up anyone that could be him so I turned to Scotland's People, did a search 1853-1856 and found a John Mcleod born 2/11/1853 in Dyke to Donald Mcleod and Rebekah Ross - seems pretty good to me with his aunts being Ross. Did he marry and do you have his death certificate? And I'd be interested in if Rebekah died early and if these are her sisters, just to cross check.


Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

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My advice would also be to go to Scotland’s People.  After 1855 all marriages and births were supposed to be registered.  You could get his birth registration, and also check some of the census records.  Here in Canada it costs about $13 for 5 queries, so make them count.  Figure out what you need to find the info you want and then go and try it. 
If you know for sure he is born 1879, then that’s not him on the 1871 census.  I  would try the 1881 and see what I could find.  Possibly he is illegitimate which is why you are having such a hard time finding him.  Just now here in Canada the Mormon Church Family History Rooms are closed, but if you go there you can see the film for yourself and see who the witnesses were.  Not all witnesses were given, sometimes a child was baptised ‘before the congregation’.......but if they are given it adds sometimes, some relatives to the parents which is of great help.  But try SP and see what you get.  Good luck, Goldie
 

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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...>
 

Hi,

Had a look for you, to me it looks most likely John McLeod born 1853/4 at Dyke is the son of John McLeod aged 22 on the 1851 Census and who was working with his brother James 20 at Feddan farm Dyke. The mother would be Rebecca Ross born about 1819 at Nigg, Ross & C. ( sometimes Nairn on censuses) the sister of Donald and Christina Ross who all farmed at Sneb or Snab, Dyke in 1851. Their mother was a Christian MUNRO? born abt 1776 Ross and C.

John and James McLeod were born at Kirkhill, Inverness according to the 1851 Census.

A bit less likely, but the John BAIN b 1793 Rafford and his wife Isabell MASSON b 1795 Rafford could be the grandparents of  the John McLEAN b 1853 who was with them on the 1871 Census  as it appears their daughter Mary BAIN had twin children by a David ROSS - Christina and Isabella ROSS who were born & died 1865 Forres. Given the children's name could be  the David Ross was son of the Christina Ross b abt 1815 Nigg, sister to Rebecca Ross.

Regards

Charles

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POSSIBLE ONLY

First Generation

1.  Alexander ROSS was born in 1790 in Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. In Apr 1881 he was a Pauper living with daughter Isabella in Corhall, Rafford.

Alexander ROSS had the following children:

    +2    i.    John ROSS, born 1811, Moy / Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland.
    3    ii.    Isabella ROSS was born in 1822 in Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland.

Second Generation

2.  John ROSS (Alexander-1) was born in 1811 in Moy / Nigg, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland. In Apr 1851 he was an Agric Lab in Brochloch, Rafford. In Apr 1881 he was a Gen Labourer in Corhall, Rafford. John was a Labourer in Woodside Marcassie, Rafford.

Elizabeth MCKILLICAN was born in 1815 in Croy, Nairn, Scotland. She died in 1907 at the age of 92 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland.

John ROSS and Elizabeth MCKILLICAN had the following children:

    +4    i.    Margaret ROSS, born abt 24 Mar 1840, Kinloss, Moray, Scotland.
    5    ii.    Helen ROSS was born about 25 Jun 1842 in Kinloss, Moray, Scotland.
    6    iii.    Jane M ROSS was born about 6 Sep 1845 in Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died before Apr 1851 at the age of 5.
    7    iv.    Alexander ROSS was born about 8 Nov 1849 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland.
    8    v.    Mary Anne Paul ROSS was born about 13 May 1852 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died in 1942 at the age of 90 in Forres, Moray, Scotland.
    +9    vi.    Agnes McIntosh ROSS, born 1856, Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland; died 1939, Nairn, Nairn, Scotland.
    10    vii.    Hughina ROSS was born in 1859 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. In Apr 1881 she was a General Servant in Middlebank Farm, Errol, Perth.

Third Generation

4.  Margaret ROSS (John-2, Alexander-1) was born about 24 Mar 1840 in Kinloss, Moray, Scotland.

Margaret ROSS had the following child:

    11    i.    William "or Murray" ROSS was born on 15 Jun 1867 in Leith,  Edinburgh, Scotland.

9.  Agnes McIntosh ROSS (John-2, Alexander-1) was born in 1856 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland. She died in 1939 at the age of 83 in Nairn, Nairn, Scotland.

In Apr 1851 John MCLEOD, son of John MCLEOD and Rebecca ROSS, was a Farm Servant in Feddan, Dyke, Moray. He was born in 1853 in Dyke, Moray, Scotland.

John MCLEOD and Agnes McIntosh ROSS had the following child:

    12    i.    Alexander MCLEOD was born in 1879 in Rafford, by Forres, Moray, Scotland.



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Re: 40 years looking for parents of John McLeod, b. 1854 or 1855 in Dyke, Elginshire

MSymon <msymon@...>
 

Hi Claude

Hope this helps, I can't see any reason this isn't your man, unless
anyone else can.

I did a quick check on Libindx but couldn't turn up anyone that could be
him so I turned to Scotland's People, did a search 1853-1856 and found a
John Mcleod born 2/11/1853 in Dyke to Donald Mcleod and Rebekah Ross -
seems pretty good to me with his aunts being Ross. Did he marry and do
you have his death certificate? And I'd be interested in if Rebekah died
early and if these are her sisters, just to cross check.

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