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Re: HOGG BLACKBURN
Dee Horn
Thank you. Dee
On Monday, May 4, 2020, 10:13:39 PM MST, Jim Walker <scotlandforever7@...> wrote:
MyHeritage Family Trees  James Hog, 1734 - 1804 William was born on December 24 1698, in Selkirk, Selkirkshire, Scotland. Euphan was born on May 6 1702, in Selkirk, Selkirkshire, Scotland. James married Anne McDowal Hogg (born Alves). Anne was born in 1733, in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Documents of James Hog  James Hog in Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 Regards, scotlandforever7@... https://twitter.com/jimwalker_usa Instagram - @scotland7Jimw Alba Gu Bràth God Bless America Jim R. Walker Special Featured Speaker: Stanford Pulmonary Artery Reconstruction and Right Ventricle Rehabilitation Symposium at the Li Ka Shing Center for Learning and Knowledge - Stanford University School of Medicine. (Video) Audrey Rose Sings our National Anthem - Levis Stadium Oct 2 2016 - 70,000+ standing room only. Audrey Rose Walker (Blind (no eyeballs) and severe heart disease (Tetrology of Fallot) & more conditions - Critical Life Needs GoFundMe account address: gofundme.com/2a5xeb6c 49ersWEBZONE featured writer Al Sacco presents "Audrey Rose's Courageous Story"! Our (then) 12 month old daughter - completely blind - sings 7 songs!!! http://youtu.be/3TIiH1hVW6I Jim - Comcast Television Interview - Scottish Highland Games Heavy Athletics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fDf2JshQ74 All Recipients of correspondence from Jim R. or Audrey Rose Walker The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.
On Monday, May 4, 2020, 02:11:56 PM PDT, Dee Horn via groups.io <dx2_horn@...> wrote:
trying to find info on my 6th great grandfather James Hogg 1680 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland about 1760 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland He married in early 1700's ? Janet Blaickburn/Blackburn 22 Jul 1689 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 30 Apr 1730 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland His son Peter and a couple of brothers moved to Virginia and married Elizabeth Taylor and fought the Indians with George Washington, He was a Captain in Washington's forces None of the info i find on this family matches. I found one site that said James father was William Hogg who married Barbara Hume and another said he was Charles Hogg. This is a long standing dead end for me. Would appreciate any help. Dee Horn
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Re: HOGG BLACKBURN
The first thing to recognise is that the records you are looking for may not have survived.
The only place to find reliable information online is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (SP). You need to register, and then you can look at the index free of charge. To view original images you need to buy credits. According to the SP index James Hog (one 'g') and Janet Blackburn had 8 children. Janet, 1716 Peter, 1719 Robert, 1721 James, 1723 Alexander, 1725 William, 1726 Lewis, 1728 Charles, 1729 You may find that the original baptism records contain information about witnesses, who may provide clues to the rest of the family. What is your source for the birth and death dates of James Hog and Janet Blackburn? Never believe anything you find online unless it's an image of an original document (not a printed book). In particular do not trust online trees, no matter how many of them there are that say the same thing. They can be useful as a pointer to look for information, but they are not reliable. You have to check the source of every bit of information.
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Re: HOGG BLACKBURN
Josephine Conray
Hello Dee
I have search Ancestry and there are about 3,135 Family Trees on it site for James Hogg & Janet Blackburn
To start the spelling of the family name goes:-- Hogg, Hoge, Hogue Hoag and Hog.
This is a list of James Hogg family Parents Grandparents so on 1. James Hogg & Janet Blackburn 10 children 2. William Hogue & Barbara Lambert Hume 11 children 3. Sir James Hoge & Lady Marjorie Lambert 11 children 4. George Hogue & Elizabeth Cuthbert 11 Children 5 Sir John Baron of Bemersyde Hogue/Hoge & Marion Cuthbert
Going by a lot of trees that I have look at you can say the James parents are William & Barbara Hogue/Hogg
I am not quite sure what you are looking for let me know I will have a Look.
Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
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trying to find info on my 6th great grandfather
James Hogg 1680 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland about 1760 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
He married in early 1700's ?
Janet Blaickburn/Blackburn 22 Jul 1689 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 30 Apr 1730 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
His son Peter and a couple of brothers moved to Virginia and married Elizabeth Taylor and fought the Indians with George Washington, He was a Captain in Washington's forces
None of the info i find on this family matches. I found one site that said James father was William Hogg who married Barbara Hume and another said he was Charles Hogg. This is a long standing dead end for me.
Would appreciate any help.
Dee Horn
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Re: HOGG BLACKBURN
Jim Walker
MyHeritage Family Trees James Hog, 1734 - 1804 William was born on December 24 1698, in Selkirk, Selkirkshire, Scotland. Euphan was born on May 6 1702, in Selkirk, Selkirkshire, Scotland. James married Anne McDowal Hogg (born Alves). Anne was born in 1733, in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Documents of James Hog James Hog in Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 Regards, scotlandforever7@... https://twitter.com/jimwalker_usa Instagram - @scotland7Jimw Alba Gu Bràth God Bless America Jim R. Walker Special Featured Speaker: Stanford Pulmonary Artery Reconstruction and Right Ventricle Rehabilitation Symposium at the Li Ka Shing Center for Learning and Knowledge - Stanford University School of Medicine. (Video) Audrey Rose Sings our National Anthem - Levis Stadium Oct 2 2016 - 70,000+ standing room only. Audrey Rose Walker (Blind (no eyeballs) and severe heart disease (Tetrology of Fallot) & more conditions - Critical Life Needs GoFundMe account address: gofundme.com/2a5xeb6c 49ersWEBZONE featured writer Al Sacco presents "Audrey Rose's Courageous Story"! Our (then) 12 month old daughter - completely blind - sings 7 songs!!! http://youtu.be/3TIiH1hVW6I Jim - Comcast Television Interview - Scottish Highland Games Heavy Athletics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fDf2JshQ74 All Recipients of correspondence from Jim R. or Audrey Rose Walker The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.
On Monday, May 4, 2020, 02:11:56 PM PDT, Dee Horn via groups.io <dx2_horn@...> wrote:
trying to find info on my 6th great grandfather James Hogg 1680 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland about 1760 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland He married in early 1700's ? Janet Blaickburn/Blackburn 22 Jul 1689 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 30 Apr 1730 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland His son Peter and a couple of brothers moved to Virginia and married Elizabeth Taylor and fought the Indians with George Washington, He was a Captain in Washington's forces None of the info i find on this family matches. I found one site that said James father was William Hogg who married Barbara Hume and another said he was Charles Hogg. This is a long standing dead end for me. Would appreciate any help. Dee Horn
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HOGG BLACKBURN
Dee Horn
trying to find info on my 6th great grandfather James Hogg 1680 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland about 1760 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland He married in early 1700's ? Janet Blaickburn/Blackburn 22 Jul 1689 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 30 Apr 1730 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland His son Peter and a couple of brothers moved to Virginia and married Elizabeth Taylor and fought the Indians with George Washington, He was a Captain in Washington's forces None of the info i find on this family matches. I found one site that said James father was William Hogg who married Barbara Hume and another said he was Charles Hogg. This is a long standing dead end for me. Would appreciate any help. Dee Horn
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Roll Call - Greig, Kean, Mudie, Morris, Sword, Gibb, Munro, Scott, Cant
Heather
Hi All, just realised I hadn't added my list of names. the above names are on my maternal grandfather's side from Dundee, Scotland.
My maternal Grandfather is Robert Kean Greig b1886, Dundee born to Barbara Scott Greig & Robert Kean. Barbara & Robert were not married & my grandather's birth regn showed he was illegitimate with no father listed but had an RCE notation in the margin. Viewing the RCE confirmed that Robert Kean was his father. It stated were Robert lived & his occupation. I am assuming that when a father is confirmed and noted with an RCE then the father would be expected to pay maintenance, would that be correct and if so, where would I find that info please? GGM- Barbara Scott Greig (b1865), 2xGGP - William Greig (1832) & Agnes Mudie (1832) . | Kean & ???? 3xGGP - James Greig(1807) & Jane Morris.(1800) | Alexander Mudie (1807) & Agnes Sword (1817) 4XGGP- Peter Greig (1781) & Jean Gibb.(1788) | John Morris (c 1780)& Margaret Munro(1780) | John Mudie (1789) & Agnes Scott (1790) | George Sword (1783) & Helen Cant (1782) Anything of interest I would love to hear from you. Cheers from Hobsonville Point, Auckland, NZ Heather MacDonald Higgins
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Re: McKays in Moray
If you have a copy of the original document from Scotland's People, there is no point looking for anything different on Ancestry because it will be from the same document.
If
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Re: McKays in Moray
jwmmackay@...
Hi Josephine,
That is definitely the marriage; I have a copy of the record from SP. If that is from Ancestry, can you tell me if you see anything interesting there? Maybe an age? All I see when I click on Margaret’s name is an Ancestry ad. The name Donald does sound familiar; probably something I found in 2016 that did not pan out. If Alexander was in the army I would hope to find him in a later census - 1841, 1851, etc, and that has been my challenge. My suspicion is the family was in another county, not Ross and Cromarty. But if, with no birth year, it is that difficult to track them in one county, I don’t see finding them elsewhere - again, very common names. But thank you for trying. John
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Re: unsubscribe please
Ray Rob
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Re: McKays in Moray
Josephine Conray
Hi John
I have been searching Scotland People for the last hour but only found one possible child for Alexander & Margaret and he is:--
Donald McKay to Alexander McKay ONLY no mother name birth 00/01/1807 Parish No 073 Parish 20/165 Knochbain. (just going on the town)
I was wondering could Alexander have been in the Army and servicing over sea eg: India. Since he was married in 1806 and the only children found so far are Alex ten years & William fifteen years after they were married makes me think they were not in Scotland.
This is the only marriage I could find not sure if it is yours but it was the only one.
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Re: McKays in Moray
jwmmackay@...
Thank you all.
William’s 1903 death record confirms my work from 2016 pointing to Alexander McKay / Mackay and Margaret Simpson being my 4th great grandparents. All I have been able to find on them is an 1806 marriage record (Culbokie, Ross and Cromarty), and the births / baptisms of William (1821) and Alexander Jr (1816), both in Knochbain. I have tried locating death records for Alexander and Margaret, hoping that would tell me their parents. But I don’t know their ages (don’t appear in the marriage record). And I haven’t found them in any Census. I have spent many, many hours trying to find them in 1841, focusing on Ross and Cromarty (which was flooded with McKays), with a range of ages. Many Alexanders married to many Margarets, both with and without sons named William and Alexander, who might be on their own by 1841, but no luck so far pulling it all together. I’m left wondering, with such common names and no years of birth, is this a hopeless search? Maybe someone who hasn’t been staring at these names for hours on end can see things more clearly? Thanks! John
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Re: McKays in Moray
Goldie is absolutely right. The way a surname is spelled has absolutely no significance, especially when it's a matter of Mc versus Mac.
Mackay is commoner than McKay (SP has 370,226 references to Mackay and 264,248 to McKay) but it's always important to search for both spellings because so many people's name are spelled differently in different sources. Anne
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Re: McKays in Moray
DixieAC
YES. I have ancestors whose names were spelled several different ways within a quite short time frame. So many ways for that to happen. Did the person writing it come from that area or from far away? Did the recorder hear right? Did the person supplying the info speak clearly? And so on and so on.
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Dixie Cutler always seeking ancestors on Islay or in Wick.
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Re: McKays in Moray
Goldie & Lido Doratti
MC or MAC....makes no difference .......times changed, and it has nothing
at all to do with Religion, or being Canadian or American. It’s about having an
‘open’ mind. People weren’t used to having their names written down, and
whoever asked someone’s name wrote it the way they thought it should be.
On the grand scale of things, spelling was not important THEN. When you
are doing research, you are the person who needs to think ‘outside the
box’. Things THEN were not the way they are now. This is a good
lesson for anyone starting out doing genealogy..... Goldie
From: jwmmackay@...
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 6:25 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McKays in Moray We’re
going to need more credits. That’s a Jaws joke, which may not translate outside
the US. Thank you both so much. The inclusion of the Mackay spelling is really opening things up. I appear to have found the family in the previously missing 1871, 1881, and 1891 Censuses. I knew that the spelling of one’s name wasn’t always consistent back then, but in my digging it was always McKay up to 1861. It seems there was a conscious decision to change it after that: I’m seeing death certificate registrants signing it like that and not going back to the former way (it wasn’t just a Census taker’s assumption). Ironically, it was the McKay spelling that helped me first find my 2nd great grandfather years ago: I was told that looking for a John Mackay of interminate age of no known parentage and no known Scottish locality would have been much more challenging; the McKay spelling really narrowed things down. Bear in mind, I am John Mackay. It was my 2nd g gf’s Canadian marriage record that said it was once McKay. This actually made sense to me: In the 1880’s the US was quite anti-Catholic; he would have changed it when he emigrated to NY - to look like what he was, a Scottish Protestant. So far, it looks like all of the work I did years ago was actually correct - my initial inquiry regarding whether I had in fact found my 4th great g parents, and whether I was indeed tied to the Cobban branch documented back to the 1700s. It remains to be seen whether I can reach back further. Maybe expect some small follow-up questions. For now I have a lot to chew on. Such a great quarantine project! Regards, John
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Re: McKays in Moray
jwmmackay@...
We’re going to need more credits. That’s a Jaws joke, which may not translate outside the US.
Thank you both so much. The inclusion of the Mackay spelling is really opening things up. I appear to have found the family in the previously missing 1871, 1881, and 1891 Censuses. I knew that the spelling of one’s name wasn’t always consistent back then, but in my digging it was always McKay up to 1861. It seems there was a conscious decision to change it after that: I’m seeing death certificate registrants signing it like that and not going back to the former way (it wasn’t just a Census taker’s assumption). Ironically, it was the McKay spelling that helped me first find my 2nd great grandfather years ago: I was told that looking for a John Mackay of interminate age of no known parentage and no known Scottish locality would have been much more challenging; the McKay spelling really narrowed things down. Bear in mind, I am John Mackay. It was my 2nd g gf’s Canadian marriage record that said it was once McKay. This actually made sense to me: In the 1880’s the US was quite anti-Catholic; he would have changed it when he emigrated to NY - to look like what he was, a Scottish Protestant. So far, it looks like all of the work I did years ago was actually correct - my initial inquiry regarding whether I had in fact found my 4th great g parents, and whether I was indeed tied to the Cobban branch documented back to the 1700s. It remains to be seen whether I can reach back further. Maybe expect some small follow-up questions. For now I have a lot to chew on. Such a great quarantine project! Regards, John
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Re: McKays in Moray
My apologies, John. It is so automatic for me to search using wildcards that I completely forgot to say that I searched for M*c*k*y not McKay. In the 1901 census, and on both death certificates, William and Elizabeth's surname is recorded as Mackay not McKay so if you search using McKay you won't find them.
You have to buy a minumum of 30 credits which is enough to view all three deaths and the 1901 census, with enough left over for one more document. Best wishes Anne
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Re: McKays in Moray
Allan MacBain
Hi John, William McKay, d 1903 - at the very bottom of the results list: You can quite happily make searches, and see the results listed, without having to purchase credits; but you need the credits to view the individual records. The search methodology for ScotlandsPeople is not as intuitive as it was a couple of years ago. Allan MacBain MBCS Associate Genealogist (UK & Europe), Clan MacBean Association
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 12:30, <jwmmackay@...> wrote: Hi Anne
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Re: McKays in Moray
jwmmackay@...
Hi Goldie,
A few years ago, going through some US Census data, I came across some confusing data that, it seems, could only be explained by some combination of my great grandmother not wanting to admit she had aged 10 years since the previous one, and not wanting to say she was 2 years older than her husband. Made her great grandson laugh from the grave! So, I try to allow a little wiggle room while looking at these.
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Re: McKays in Moray
Goldie & Lido Doratti
Hi John! You have a top notch lady helping you with this!! Keep
in mind that.... for example... if I asked you for census purposes what your age
was today, you would tell me (hopefully the truth); BUT what if your b/day was
next week....would you tell me your age today or in a week? Most
census were done in the spring so when you search you look for a PLUS or MINUS 1
year. Scotland’s 1841 census was supposed (big word) to give the ages of
all children and over the age of 15 or 16 it was plus or minus to the nearest
five. BUT having said that, I have seen someone whose age was 22 put down
as 25 instead of down to 20. What would you do with someone who was 23?
I’m sure you can see how easily it was to make a mistake. Some census recorded
the actual age of adults, so it’s not written in blood. The thing to do is
keep an open mind and think outside the box. Good luck with the McKay
family!! Goldie
From: jwmmackay@...
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:30 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McKays in Moray Hi
Anne I can see that you are clearly better at all of this than I am. At this point I am 1 for 4. When I search SP for William McKay deaths the closest I get is an 83 yr old in 1903, in Marnoch. Only one year off in age from what you said, but I trust your hunting skills more than my own. In fact, when I search all William McKay deaths in all of Scotland in 1903, I get just this one in Marnoch. I don’t find any Williams in Cromarty in any year. I did find Margaret’s 1908 death record in SP. I haven’t bought credits yet to download, because I want to see how many total I might need. For the 1901 Census I do find a William McKay in Ross and Cromarty in SP, but he is 80, not 79. If you think that is close enough I will download it, but, again, I trust your skills more than mine. In SP I don’t find any Elizabeth McKays dying in all of Scotland in 1935 even close to the age of 78. And none in Inverness. When I look at Inverness specifically I find an 82 yr old dying in 1930 and a 74 yr old dying in 1945. Thanks, John
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