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Re: Marriage record - Mull

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

Further.........check the whole page out..jut above the one you want it looks like he is living where there are McGregor alias names......could he also be one?  Goldie
 

From: Seymour Hosking
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour


Re: Marriage record - Mull

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

If what you think you see is right....GOOD NEWS!!  It names a croft or small village!!  Can you send a copy of the page to me direct and I’ll see what I can make of it?  Happy to help if I can.  It would be (likely) the first time the banns were read..usually 3 times.....in both parishes .. IE where the groom lived, and where the bride lived.  And yes it would be “proclamation”  This is too small for me to read, but I can do so.  Goldie

From: Seymour Hosking
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour


Re: Marriage record - Mull

W David Samuelsen
 

Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

David

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour


Marriage record - Mull

 


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour


St Andrews Society Bios

W David Samuelsen
 

New York Biographies
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Peter Hastings 1902-1953

marynewbery
 

Dear Members,

My husband’s Scottish relations are mostly from Roxburgh and Stirlingshire.

A great uncle Peter Hastings was brutally murdered at work, and his body found by his son. It seems very likely that the man accused was a scapegoat.

I did look at Peter’s murder some years ago now, but seem to have failed to properly organise the paper record, and now can not locate information on my old computer.

I particular I have half of a newspaper report from the Falkirk Herald of11th Nov 1953 page 10 but the initial part of the report was page 7 which I do not have. I don’t now recall whether I got this when I had a subscription to the British Newspaper Archive or if someone from the local rootsweb group obtained it for me.  If anyone has access to the archives or this newspaper, I would be grateful if they could find page 7 for me. The Article was entitled,” Murder Enquiry Verdict!”

 

For others from that area who may be interested in my husband’s family lines they are: Hastings and Stephenson, and Dickson and Middlemas/Middlemiss. The latter two both originated in the Roxburgh area, with later generations moving to Falkirk for work.

Best wishes,

Mary

 

 

 

 

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Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

 

The FamilySearch Wiki is a wiki, and should be corrected and improved by those who can correct and improve it. 

Please!

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:43 AM Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Interesting indeed.

As I have said before in another thread, the term 'non-conformist' in the FS wiki is incorrect, because it is meaningless in relation to churches in Scotland. The term dates from the 17th century, *before* the union of Scotland and England, It originally refers to people or denominations in **England** who did not conform to the Church of **England** and the legislation leading to that never applied in Scotland.

There was no shortage of church denominations in Scotland that broke away from the Church of Scotland at various times, but the correct term for those is 'dissenting'.

Anne







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Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Anne Burgess
 

Even more interesting.

Here are some more images of the old kirkyard of St Ninians https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=126674503

The review https://www.minube.net/place/st-ninian-church-a370661 contains a link to an entirely different congregation, not belonging to the Church of Scotland, based in a different building in Stirling.

This https://www.stniniansold.org.uk/ is the link to the Church of Scotland congregation that is based in the kirk next to the old kirkyard.

Anne


Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Anne Burgess
 

Interesting indeed.

As I have said before in another thread, the term 'non-conformist' in the FS wiki is incorrect, because it is meaningless in relation to churches in Scotland. The term dates from the 17th century, *before* the union of Scotland and England, It originally refers to people or denominations in **England** who did not conform to the Church of **England** and the legislation leading to that never applied in Scotland.

There was no shortage of church denominations in Scotland that broke away from the Church of Scotland at various times, but the correct term for those is 'dissenting'.

Anne


Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Jocelyn Gould
 

Thanks for your explanation Anne.  That explains why my grandmother and her sister held their double wedding ceremony in the home of their mother and then moved on to the Brisbane Caledonian Society for the reception on 26 April 1910.

Happy New Year all

Jocelyn



Re: St. Ninians, church or place (KEEP THIS INFO

Carolynne Vynychenko
 

On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:20 AM, Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Both.

From the point of view of family history, St Ninians is a //parish// in the county of Stirling. It happens to be next door to the parish of Stirling, and is now effectively a suburb of the city.

The really important points to understand are (a) that, until the 19th century at least, the parish was the basic unit, not only of the church but also of civil record-keeping and (b) that most events recorded in a parish register did not necessarily take place in the kirk building. Unless you find a record that says specifically that a wedding or baptism ceremony was performed in the kirk itself, or that the witnesses to a baptism were the congregation, you cannot safely assume that it was.

Most wedding ceremonies, for example, were held in the bride's parents home or, if she had no parents living or was married a long way from home, in the manse (the minister's residence) or in her employer's home. Baptisms too were often performed in the parents' home. Kirk ceremonies became common only during the 20th century, though I myself was baptised in my parents' living room, and I have been a bridesmaid at a wedding in the bride's parents' living room.

So you must not assume that James Lowrie and Grace Monteath were married in a kirk building. In 1829, in fact, the overwhelming likelihood is that they were not.

For background about the parish of St Ninians, see https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Stirling/St%20Ninians
For more information about Scottish marriage customs see https://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/socialpolitical/research/economicsocialhistory/historymedicine/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/

HTH

Anne





Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Nancy W.
 

Thanks for all the websites.  I am trying to write up my family history now and these will certainly be helpful to "get it right" regarding the area, history and customs of the times.

Nancy

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021, 8:24:00 AM CST, Nancy W. <wright4766@...> wrote:


Anne, Thank you.  It helps me understand the way things were done in early eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in Scotland.  They were probably not very different from the way things were done in the US at the same time. You just reminded me again that the times have changed and are changing faster now.

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021, 5:20:33 AM CST, Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists@...> wrote:


Both.

From the point of view of family history, St Ninians is a //parish// in the county of Stirling. It happens to be next door to the parish of Stirling, and is now effectively a suburb of the city.

The really important points to understand are (a) that, until the 19th century at least, the parish was the basic unit, not only of the church but also of civil record-keeping and (b) that most events recorded in a parish register did not necessarily take place in the kirk building. Unless you find a record that says specifically that a wedding or baptism ceremony was performed in the kirk itself, or that the witnesses to a baptism were the congregation, you cannot safely assume that it was.

Most wedding ceremonies, for example, were held in the bride's parents home or, if she had no parents living or was married a long way from home, in the manse (the minister's residence) or in her employer's home. Baptisms too were often performed in the parents' home. Kirk ceremonies became common only during the 20th century, though I myself was baptised in my parents' living room, and I have been a bridesmaid at a wedding in the bride's parents' living room.

So you must not assume that James Lowrie and Grace Monteath were married in a kirk building. In 1829, in fact, the overwhelming likelihood is that they were not.

For background about the parish of St Ninians, see https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Stirling/St%20Ninians
For more information about Scottish marriage customs see https://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/socialpolitical/research/economicsocialhistory/historymedicine/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/

HTH

Anne





Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Nancy W.
 

Anne, Thank you.  It helps me understand the way things were done in early eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in Scotland.  They were probably not very different from the way things were done in the US at the same time. You just reminded me again that the times have changed and are changing faster now.

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021, 5:20:33 AM CST, Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists@...> wrote:


Both.

From the point of view of family history, St Ninians is a //parish// in the county of Stirling. It happens to be next door to the parish of Stirling, and is now effectively a suburb of the city.

The really important points to understand are (a) that, until the 19th century at least, the parish was the basic unit, not only of the church but also of civil record-keeping and (b) that most events recorded in a parish register did not necessarily take place in the kirk building. Unless you find a record that says specifically that a wedding or baptism ceremony was performed in the kirk itself, or that the witnesses to a baptism were the congregation, you cannot safely assume that it was.

Most wedding ceremonies, for example, were held in the bride's parents home or, if she had no parents living or was married a long way from home, in the manse (the minister's residence) or in her employer's home. Baptisms too were often performed in the parents' home. Kirk ceremonies became common only during the 20th century, though I myself was baptised in my parents' living room, and I have been a bridesmaid at a wedding in the bride's parents' living room.

So you must not assume that James Lowrie and Grace Monteath were married in a kirk building. In 1829, in fact, the overwhelming likelihood is that they were not.

For background about the parish of St Ninians, see https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Stirling/St%20Ninians
For more information about Scottish marriage customs see https://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/socialpolitical/research/economicsocialhistory/historymedicine/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/

HTH

Anne





Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Anne Burgess
 

Both.

From the point of view of family history, St Ninians is a //parish// in the county of Stirling. It happens to be next door to the parish of Stirling, and is now effectively a suburb of the city.

The really important points to understand are (a) that, until the 19th century at least, the parish was the basic unit, not only of the church but also of civil record-keeping and (b) that most events recorded in a parish register did not necessarily take place in the kirk building. Unless you find a record that says specifically that a wedding or baptism ceremony was performed in the kirk itself, or that the witnesses to a baptism were the congregation, you cannot safely assume that it was.

Most wedding ceremonies, for example, were held in the bride's parents home or, if she had no parents living or was married a long way from home, in the manse (the minister's residence) or in her employer's home. Baptisms too were often performed in the parents' home. Kirk ceremonies became common only during the 20th century, though I myself was baptised in my parents' living room, and I have been a bridesmaid at a wedding in the bride's parents' living room.

So you must not assume that James Lowrie and Grace Monteath were married in a kirk building. In 1829, in fact, the overwhelming likelihood is that they were not.

For background about the parish of St Ninians, see https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Stirling/St%20Ninians
For more information about Scottish marriage customs see https://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/socialpolitical/research/economicsocialhistory/historymedicine/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/

HTH

Anne


Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

 

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 12:01 PM Nancy W. <wright4766@...> wrote:
Sorry for the additional posting - I sent this Saturday but I haven't seen it or had any responses.

One of my Lowrie ancestors married Grace Monteath on 30 August 1829 at St. Ninian, Stirling, Scotland.
Is St. Ninian a church or a place?

Nancy Lowrie Wright
 
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Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

 

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/St._Ninians,_Stirlingshire,_Scotland_Genealogy gives some interesting information, and https://www.minube.net/place/st-ninian-church-a370661 is a neat review.  My children attended carol service in the church, and I have been looking at records for the area for some time.

regards Seymour


Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Anne Farrar
 

From Wikipedia:
St. Ninians is a long-standing settlement which is now a district of the city of Stirling in central Scotland. It is located approximately one mile south of the city centre. It was originally known as Eccles (i.e. 'church'), and may have been a Christian site from an unusually early date (possibly 5th or 6th century). Later called 'St. Ringan's' (a variant of St Ninian's).[1] This church was the administrative centre for churches across the strath of the River Forth.
 
When you google St. Ninian’s, Stirling, Scotland there are churches by that name as well in that location.
 
So it is a church and also a place.
 
Hope this helps
 


St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Nancy W.
 

Sorry for the additional posting - I sent this Saturday but I haven't seen it or had any responses.

One of my Lowrie ancestors married Grace Monteath on 30 August 1829 at St. Ninian, Stirling, Scotland.
Is St. Ninian a church or a place?

Nancy Lowrie Wright


Re: Queen Elizabeth

Anne Burgess
 

Which is why I was very careful to say, "The head of the Church of England is HM Queen Elizabeth, who is the second Queen Elizabeth in England but only the first to reign in Scotland."

The formal designation is indeed the official version, and it proves conclusively that there is no such person as the Queen of England ;)

Anne


Re: Queen Elizabeth

W David Samuelsen
 

nope!

it's this

"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith"


David Samuelsen
 


On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 8:01 PM Lindsay Graham <LDGraham@...> wrote:
Janet, you appear to be assuming that United Kingdom and Great Britain are synonymous.  However, UK includes Northern Ireland, but GB does not.  For example, see the useful map/diagram at https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-great-britain-and-the-united-kingdom.

Lindsay Graham
Canberra, Australia


On 2/1/21 01:48, Janet Farmer via groups.io wrote:
Happy New Year to everyone.

I'm not disagreeing with Anne just clarifying the Queen's title:

The official style of the monarch is "By the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the CommonwealthDefender of the Faith.  In plain language:  Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain (Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland), Canada  and the Commonwealth.


I think I've gotten it correct):-

Janet

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