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Re: Marriage record - Mull

Anne Burgess
 

If you had clicked on the links in my previous e-mail, you would have seen two photographs of Inivea and a map showing and naming it.

Anne
Re: Marriage record - Mull

Seymour Hosking
 

Thanks to everyone who responded. Inivey / Inivea it is.  What a team we are!

Seymour
Re: Marriage record - Mull

John Kemplen
 

I agree with Anne that it says Inivey (a.k.a. Inivea), a long-deserted township south west of Cruach Sleibh and north of Calgary Bay.  I was looking for a place of that name in the Dervaig / Calgary area yesterday but couldn't find it because on the maps I was using it only appears fleetingly at certain zoom levels (not the highest levels!).  It is not named on the OS six-inch map of 1896 and only appears there as two building outlines (a small fraction of the original number of buildings), so it would appear to have been abandoned for some years by then.

John


On 22/01/2021 14:38, Seymour Hosking wrote:

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

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Re: Marriage record - Mull

Anne Burgess
 

Definitely not Inveraray - not enough letters and if it had been it would have said 'in the parish of ...'

I read it as Inivey, so it's almost certainly Inivea.

See https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4840580
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4840591

Anne
Re: Marriage record - Mull

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Seymour

 

I have enlarge the record and it looks to me like John McIlphadrig in Inivey  & Janet Campbell after proclamations Bas  married in I have found one family tree John McIlphadrig married 14 Aug 1792, Inivea, Kilninian & Kilmore A lot of tree have him born John Paterson AKA (McIlphadrig) born 4 Jan Penmore, Kilninian, & Kilmore   Hope this helps Josephine Qld Aust.  

 

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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 7:38 AM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull

 

Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

 

David

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

LorneandJudy
 

Yes, proclamation married.


On Jan 22, 2021, at 7:15 PM, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@...> wrote:

If you tap on the record on the page it enlargers. The words I think, are Inverary and I think the other word is proved marriage.
Judy


On Jan 22, 2021, at 6:28 PM, W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> wrote:


Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

David

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:
<1792 Kilninian marriage detail.jpg>

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

LorneandJudy
 

If you tap on the record on the page it enlargers. The words I think, are Inverary and I think the other word is proved marriage.
Judy


On Jan 22, 2021, at 6:28 PM, W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> wrote:


Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

David

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:
<1792 Kilninian marriage detail.jpg>

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

I’m placing my money on a Mac/McGregor here.........get on Scotland’s People and get the whole page.  Failing that see if you can find a marriage on Family Search.org for Janet Campbell.  If you have the ‘rest’ of the info down the line you should be able to take a guess at his approximate age and hers.......there is no shortage of Janet Campbells in that part of Scotland, nor McGregors.  Goldie
 

From: Josephine Conray
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 3:52 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

Hi Seymour

 

This is from Ancestry, there are 14 family trees for this family and they had 7 children.

 

Cheers

Josephine

Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

Name:

John Mcilphadrig

Gender:

Male

Marriage Date:

14 Aug 1792

Marriage Place:

Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland

Spouse:

Janet Campbell

FHL Film Number:

1041080

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Seymour Hosking
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 12:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull

 


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Anne Farrar
 

Could be Inverary the seat of Clam Campbell. Possibly her home?? I think you are right “after proclamations”
 
Hope this helps
 
Anne
 

From: Seymour Hosking
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 9:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Seymour

 

This is from Ancestry, there are 14 family trees for this family and they had 7 children.

 

Cheers

Josephine

Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

Name:

John Mcilphadrig

Gender:

Male

Marriage Date:

14 Aug 1792

Marriage Place:

Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland

Spouse:

Janet Campbell

FHL Film Number:

1041080

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Seymour Hosking
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 12:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull

 


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

Further.........check the whole page out..jut above the one you want it looks like he is living where there are McGregor alias names......could he also be one?  Goldie
 

From: Seymour Hosking
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

If what you think you see is right....GOOD NEWS!!  It names a croft or small village!!  Can you send a copy of the page to me direct and I’ll see what I can make of it?  Happy to help if I can.  It would be (likely) the first time the banns were read..usually 3 times.....in both parishes .. IE where the groom lived, and where the bride lived.  And yes it would be “proclamation”  This is too small for me to read, but I can do so.  Goldie

From: Seymour Hosking
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

W David Samuelsen
 

Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

David

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Marriage record - Mull

Seymour Hosking
 


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour
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marynewbery
 

Dear Members,

My husband’s Scottish relations are mostly from Roxburgh and Stirlingshire.

A great uncle Peter Hastings was brutally murdered at work, and his body found by his son. It seems very likely that the man accused was a scapegoat.

I did look at Peter’s murder some years ago now, but seem to have failed to properly organise the paper record, and now can not locate information on my old computer.

I particular I have half of a newspaper report from the Falkirk Herald of11th Nov 1953 page 10 but the initial part of the report was page 7 which I do not have. I don’t now recall whether I got this when I had a subscription to the British Newspaper Archive or if someone from the local rootsweb group obtained it for me.  If anyone has access to the archives or this newspaper, I would be grateful if they could find page 7 for me. The Article was entitled,” Murder Enquiry Verdict!”

 

For others from that area who may be interested in my husband’s family lines they are: Hastings and Stephenson, and Dickson and Middlemas/Middlemiss. The latter two both originated in the Roxburgh area, with later generations moving to Falkirk for work.

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Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Valorie Zimmerman
 

The FamilySearch Wiki is a wiki, and should be corrected and improved by those who can correct and improve it. 

Please!

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:43 AM Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Interesting indeed.

As I have said before in another thread, the term 'non-conformist' in the FS wiki is incorrect, because it is meaningless in relation to churches in Scotland. The term dates from the 17th century, *before* the union of Scotland and England, It originally refers to people or denominations in **England** who did not conform to the Church of **England** and the legislation leading to that never applied in Scotland.

There was no shortage of church denominations in Scotland that broke away from the Church of Scotland at various times, but the correct term for those is 'dissenting'.

Anne







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Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Anne Burgess
 

Even more interesting.

Here are some more images of the old kirkyard of St Ninians https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=126674503

The review https://www.minube.net/place/st-ninian-church-a370661 contains a link to an entirely different congregation, not belonging to the Church of Scotland, based in a different building in Stirling.

This https://www.stniniansold.org.uk/ is the link to the Church of Scotland congregation that is based in the kirk next to the old kirkyard.

Anne
Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Anne Burgess
 

Interesting indeed.

As I have said before in another thread, the term 'non-conformist' in the FS wiki is incorrect, because it is meaningless in relation to churches in Scotland. The term dates from the 17th century, *before* the union of Scotland and England, It originally refers to people or denominations in **England** who did not conform to the Church of **England** and the legislation leading to that never applied in Scotland.

There was no shortage of church denominations in Scotland that broke away from the Church of Scotland at various times, but the correct term for those is 'dissenting'.

Anne
Re: St. Ninians, church or place (Stirling)

Jocelyn Gould
 

Thanks for your explanation Anne.  That explains why my grandmother and her sister held their double wedding ceremony in the home of their mother and then moved on to the Brisbane Caledonian Society for the reception on 26 April 1910.

Happy New Year all

Jocelyn
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