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Re: Unusual name choices

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

Sometimes I think folks need to think outside the box. I cannot sit here longer and read this thread. It's a slang usage of a nice word to say the least....and someone's name. So lets just get on with it, can we?
In this time we are in, can we just revert to genealogy? Goldie
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From: Jocelyn Gould
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 2:28 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Unusual name choices

My sister was born in 1953 and she was called Gay which was quite a
common christian name in use. Unfortunately, by the early 1970s (in
Australia) the word had taken on a new meaning and she was so mortified
that she changed the spelling to Gai which partly addressed the issue.
Our surname was Mann.�

Jocelyn

On 18/02/2021 7:56 pm, Anne Burgess via groups.io wrote:
Why not? It's only in the last few decades that the word 'gay' has shifted its meaning to a synonym for 'homosexual'. When I was a child it meant happy, merry, cheerful, joyful, playful etc.

Wikipedia says that in the context of the Gay Gordons, ' "Gay" in this phrase has the Scots meaning, "extraordinary" rather than the more commonly used English meanings'.

Anne
Re: Unusual name choices

Jocelyn Gould
 

My sister was born in 1953 and she was called Gay which was quite a common christian name in use.  Unfortunately, by the early 1970s (in Australia) the word had taken on a new meaning and she was so mortified that she changed the spelling to Gai which partly addressed the issue.  Our surname was Mann.

Jocelyn

On 18/02/2021 7:56 pm, Anne Burgess via groups.io wrote:
Why not? It's only in the last few decades that the word 'gay' has shifted its meaning to a synonym for 'homosexual'. When I was a child it meant happy, merry, cheerful, joyful, playful etc.

Wikipedia says that in the context of the Gay Gordons, ' "Gay" in this phrase has the Scots meaning, "extraordinary" rather than the more commonly used English meanings'.

Anne
Re: Unusual name choices

Eliz Cook
 

I half remember a traditional Scots song about Gaye Gordon or Gordons

Elizabeth

On 19 Feb 2021, at 1:23 am, garyturnbull@sympatico.ca wrote:

Reminds me of the song, No Milk Today, by Herman's Hermits from the 60's. A big hit at the time. In the song there is the line "The company was gay"
I am sure they meant happy, merry, cheerful ...

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anne Burgess via groups.io
Sent: February 18, 2021 4:57 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Unusual name choices

Why not? It's only in the last few decades that the word 'gay' has shifted its meaning to a synonym for 'homosexual'. When I was a child it meant happy, merry, cheerful, joyful, playful etc.

Wikipedia says that in the context of the Gay Gordons, ' "Gay" in this phrase has the Scots meaning, "extraordinary" rather than the more commonly used English meanings'.

Anne
McNabb

Janet Farmer
 

I found the following reference on Scotlandspeople:

MACNAB
DUNCAN
GRACE MACVORAN/FR242 (FR242)
31/01/1816
541/
10 233 Kildalton


Kildalton
Janet
Re: Unusual name choices

garyturnbull@...
 

Reminds me of the song, No Milk Today, by Herman's Hermits from the 60's. A big hit at the time. In the song there is the line "The company was gay"
I am sure they meant happy, merry, cheerful ...

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anne Burgess via groups.io
Sent: February 18, 2021 4:57 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Unusual name choices

Why not? It's only in the last few decades that the word 'gay' has shifted its meaning to a synonym for 'homosexual'. When I was a child it meant happy, merry, cheerful, joyful, playful etc.

Wikipedia says that in the context of the Gay Gordons, ' "Gay" in this phrase has the Scots meaning, "extraordinary" rather than the more commonly used English meanings'.

Anne
Re: Unusual name choices

Anne Burgess
 

Why not? It's only in the last few decades that the word 'gay' has shifted its meaning to a synonym for 'homosexual'. When I was a child it meant happy, merry, cheerful, joyful, playful etc.

Wikipedia says that in the context of the Gay Gordons, ' "Gay" in this phrase has the Scots meaning, "extraordinary" rather than the more commonly used English meanings'.

Anne
Re: Unusual name choices

Eliz Cook
 

It could have been Gabrielle that later got shortened

Eliz

On 17 Feb 2021, at 7:21 pm, Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:

Surely if your surname was Gordon you wouldn't call your daughter Gaye?
<Gordon family.JPG>
Unusual name choices

Seymour Hosking
 

Surely if your surname was Gordon you wouldn't call your daughter Gaye?
Re: Marriage record - Mull

Seymour Hosking
 

Anne - I certainly did click on the links - much appreciated.  And I will visit as soon as circumstances permit!
Re: Duich Lotts

Glynn Currie
 

I'm sorry, but I don't think I responded to your note. Yes these people are my ancestors. Grampa John (married Flora McDiarmid of Bowmore), great grampa Donald (married Catherine McFadyen), and great great grandfather Archibald who married Marion Clark.
Happy New Year to you.
Glynn
Re: Marriage record - Mull

Anne Burgess
 

If you had clicked on the links in my previous e-mail, you would have seen two photographs of Inivea and a map showing and naming it.

Anne
Re: Marriage record - Mull

Seymour Hosking
 

Thanks to everyone who responded. Inivey / Inivea it is.  What a team we are!

Seymour
Re: Marriage record - Mull

John Kemplen
 

I agree with Anne that it says Inivey (a.k.a. Inivea), a long-deserted township south west of Cruach Sleibh and north of Calgary Bay.  I was looking for a place of that name in the Dervaig / Calgary area yesterday but couldn't find it because on the maps I was using it only appears fleetingly at certain zoom levels (not the highest levels!).  It is not named on the OS six-inch map of 1896 and only appears there as two building outlines (a small fraction of the original number of buildings), so it would appear to have been abandoned for some years by then.

John


On 22/01/2021 14:38, Seymour Hosking wrote:

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

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Re: Marriage record - Mull

Anne Burgess
 

Definitely not Inveraray - not enough letters and if it had been it would have said 'in the parish of ...'

I read it as Inivey, so it's almost certainly Inivea.

See https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4840580
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4840591

Anne
Re: Marriage record - Mull

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Seymour

 

I have enlarge the record and it looks to me like John McIlphadrig in Inivey  & Janet Campbell after proclamations Bas  married in I have found one family tree John McIlphadrig married 14 Aug 1792, Inivea, Kilninian & Kilmore A lot of tree have him born John Paterson AKA (McIlphadrig) born 4 Jan Penmore, Kilninian, & Kilmore   Hope this helps Josephine Qld Aust.  

 

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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 7:38 AM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull

 

Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

 

David

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

LorneandJudy
 

Yes, proclamation married.


On Jan 22, 2021, at 7:15 PM, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@...> wrote:

If you tap on the record on the page it enlargers. The words I think, are Inverary and I think the other word is proved marriage.
Judy


On Jan 22, 2021, at 6:28 PM, W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> wrote:


Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

David

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:
<1792 Kilninian marriage detail.jpg>

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

LorneandJudy
 

If you tap on the record on the page it enlargers. The words I think, are Inverary and I think the other word is proved marriage.
Judy


On Jan 22, 2021, at 6:28 PM, W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> wrote:


Can't read at all because we can't enlarge it.

David

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:21 PM Seymour Hosking <seymourh@...> wrote:
<1792 Kilninian marriage detail.jpg>

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

I’m placing my money on a Mac/McGregor here.........get on Scotland’s People and get the whole page.  Failing that see if you can find a marriage on Family Search.org for Janet Campbell.  If you have the ‘rest’ of the info down the line you should be able to take a guess at his approximate age and hers.......there is no shortage of Janet Campbells in that part of Scotland, nor McGregors.  Goldie
 

From: Josephine Conray
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 3:52 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

Hi Seymour

 

This is from Ancestry, there are 14 family trees for this family and they had 7 children.

 

Cheers

Josephine

Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

Name:

John Mcilphadrig

Gender:

Male

Marriage Date:

14 Aug 1792

Marriage Place:

Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland

Spouse:

Janet Campbell

FHL Film Number:

1041080

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Seymour Hosking
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 12:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull

 


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Anne Farrar
 

Could be Inverary the seat of Clam Campbell. Possibly her home?? I think you are right “after proclamations”
 
Hope this helps
 
Anne
 

From: Seymour Hosking
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 9:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull
 

This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

Re: Marriage record - Mull

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Seymour

 

This is from Ancestry, there are 14 family trees for this family and they had 7 children.

 

Cheers

Josephine

Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

Name:

John Mcilphadrig

Gender:

Male

Marriage Date:

14 Aug 1792

Marriage Place:

Kilninian and Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland

Spouse:

Janet Campbell

FHL Film Number:

1041080

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Seymour Hosking
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 12:38 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Marriage record - Mull

 


This shows the marriage of my wife's ancestors in Mull. "John McIlphadrig in ? and Janet Campbell ?? married" (14th August 1792).

Help with the words where I have put question marks would be great. The words after Janet's name might be "after proclamations" (of banns). Presumably the other word is where John lives, although I thought he lived in Penmore.

Thanks! Seymour

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