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Scottish Kirk Sessions now available on Scotland's People
From the latest Lost Cousins newsletter, https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/apr21news.htm More about that at https://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/news/kirk-session-records-scotlandspeople/ This rip-roaring article by Chris Paton explains why that is important! Although Scottish parish registers helpfully allow us to trace who our ancestors were, it is the records of the kirk sessions that more specifically help us to understand how the Kirk worked within society as an institution. The registers of individual kirk sessions not only recall the everyday administrations of a church''s elders and minister, but also provide a record for one of the session''s primary functions – its role as the lowest of the Kirk''s courts. Entire article is here: https://discoveryourancestors.co.uk/articles/sitting-on-the-penitent-s-stool-61/ Enjoy! Valorie http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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Upcoming Scottish webinars
This is part of the NYG&B eNews; the Scottish bits. I've already signed up for both of the programs. Enjoy, Valorie ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: NYG&B eNews <webmaster@...> Date: Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:15 PM Subject: Upcoming Scottish webinars
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Re: McNab
Malcolm Campbell
Hi Toni Thanks for looking for my people. I shall look in Find A Grave. My best, Malcolm
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Re: McNab
tsinclair@...
Hi Malcolm
I see no "Nesbitt" names nor the other ones you mentioned, but there is 1 Chambers: "Elmira Chambers died May 20, 1873 aged 26 yrs. 6 mos. " If they lived in Peel County, I would recommend going to the website, "Find a Grave" + Ontario + Peel. Then go down the list of cemeteries using your ancestors' surname to see if they come up with a match. Often they also have a photo of the gravestone. Good Luck! Toni
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Re: McNab
Ken Harrison
Thank you, as ever, Toni.
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Catherine d. 1894 was my GGgmother and I have visited and photographed the grave. I was unaware of grave #84 and can not place these. They appear to be siblings, and if they were b. in Ontario, they precede the arrival of my McNabbs in 1852. They may have been cousins of my Catherine. Yes, that Robert Lawson, husband of Catherine, had a farm on the bank of the River Credit, just east of Cheltenham. Claude was the church, which I have visited and I have the records from it. I'm glad to have your confirmations. Ken
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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of tsinclair@nexicom.net Sent: March 5, 2021 10:30 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [ScotGen] McNab Sorry to jump into this conversation so late, but this information took me a while to find. I have a list of grave stones in Boston Mills Cemetery, Chingacousy Township, Peel county, and this might help you: #10, Catherine McNab, died Feb. 14, 1894, age 72 years, daughter of Duncan McNab and Grace Morrison of Islay She is buried there with her husband, Robert Lawson, son of peter Lawson, of Clackmananshire, Scotland. Also in this cemetery: #84. Catharine J. McNab, died Mar 16, 1854, aged 20 yrs. 9 mos. Alexander McNab, died Apr. 1836, aged 8 mos. Duncan McNab, died April 1837, aged 9 mos. You can see these 3 stones on Find a Grave + Ontario+Peel+Boston Mills. I don't know if or how these last 3 are related, but it's possible. I've been looking through the names on a map of that township, I think dated 1881, but I don't see any McNabs there. However, a Robert Lawson did own land just southwest of Boston Mills. I think that the nearest church to this cemetery would be at Claude, and there might be some church records available there. Ching. is the township directly south of Caledon. Toni Sinclair
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Re: McNab
Malcolm Campbell
Hi Toni Interested to hear that you have Cemetery listings from the Boston Mills Cemetery, Chingacousy Twp. Peel County. I have NESBITTs who lived and died in that Township. Might any of them be interred in that cemetery? Maybe my GG William Edward NESBITT, d. Aug 19, 1875, his wife Elanor "ELLEN" NESBITT, d. Aug 9, 1893, Catherine "Kate" NESBITT, d. 27 April 1877, her husband Major Robert CHAMBERS, Annie NESBITT d. Nov. 3, 1867, Captain James CHAMBERS, Anne CHAMBERS, d. 1932, Margaret CHAMBERS, Dr. John THRALL, Captain John NESBITT, d, 1895, his wife Mary WALLACE, d. 1896, Annie NESBITT, d, Nov 3, 1867, Henry Edward NESBITT, my 3rd gg Dr. William NESBITT, my 3rd gg Dr. Montalieu NESBITT, d, 1847, his wife Jessie BROWN NESBITT my 4th gg Dr. John NESBITT, Mary Laidlaw (his wife) my 3 gg's Dr. William and Dr. Montalieu were brothers. Their children, 1st cousins married and became my 2nd ggs William NESBITT and Eleanor "Ellen" NESBITT above Thanks, My best, Malcolm Campbell
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McNab
tsinclair@...
Sorry to jump into this conversation so late, but this information took me a while to find. I have a list of grave stones in Boston Mills Cemetery, Chingacousy Township, Peel county, and this might help you:
#10, Catherine McNab, died Feb. 14, 1894, age 72 years, daughter of Duncan McNab and Grace Morrison of Islay She is buried there with her husband, Robert Lawson, son of peter Lawson, of Clackmananshire, Scotland. Also in this cemetery: #84. Catharine J. McNab, died Mar 16, 1854, aged 20 yrs. 9 mos. Alexander McNab, died Apr. 1836, aged 8 mos. Duncan McNab, died April 1837, aged 9 mos. You can see these 3 stones on Find a Grave + Ontario+Peel+Boston Mills. I don't know if or how these last 3 are related, but it's possible. I've been looking through the names on a map of that township, I think dated 1881, but I don't see any McNabs there. However, a Robert Lawson did own land just southwest of Boston Mills. I think that the nearest church to this cemetery would be at Claude, and there might be some church records available there. Ching. is the township directly south of Caledon. Toni Sinclair
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Re: Jessie Walker
There is just one birth of a Jessie Walker registered in Liverpool in 1873 with no mother's surname in the index at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp- Jessie Adel Walker, GRO Reference: 1873 September Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 297
the death of Jessie Macpherson, 86 was registered in Newcastle-on-Tyne, GRO reference 1958 December Quarter Volume 1b Page 77. You can order both certificates via the GRO web site as above. They cost £11 at the moment. HTH Anne
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Hello Josephine [ScotGen] Jessie Walker
Bob Elder
Hello Josephine
Thank you for all your help I have been try for ages not looking in the right places.
Thank you once again
Bob
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Re: McNabb
Ken Harrison
Very interesting, Anne. Thank you. So that’s where the name Cardwell came from. I know, from reading the microfilmed census, that the name “Cardwell Co.” was on each page in the space for “county”, so perhaps it was not fictional, just impermanent. Ken
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anne Farrar
Sent: March 4, 2021 2:53 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb
Thanks, Ken for clarifying that. Maybe they wanted to name a township for Cardwell and almost used it instead of Peel and then when Muskoka opened up in the 1868 they used Cardwell for a township in Muskoka.
I just had so many questions in my head when I saw Cardwell & Caledon in the same location. Names of places changed so often as Canada West, Upper Canada, Ontario grew and developed over the years. Keeping track of the dates when names changed is a big part of doing genealogy in Ontario. I assumed it was in Peel because this is where so many immigrants stopped for a year or two while looking for land and obtaining the paperwork.
PS. Peel was probably a priority as he was the UK Prime Minister at the time Viscount Cardwell was minister for the colonies in the Peel cabinet at the time.
From: Ken Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb
Check on the Canadian Census site. About 40 years ago I learned that “Cardwell Co.” (not Cardwell Twp.) as used in this census was a fictional County and the location was actually in Peel County. I don’t remember why this was done, or whether it was an error, but the fiction was consistent throughout that census for that area. The actual home was in Caledon Twp, Peel Co., and nowhere near Muskoka.
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Re: McNabb
Anne Farrar
Thanks, Ken for clarifying that. Maybe they wanted to name a township for
Cardwell and almost used it instead of Peel and then when Muskoka opened up in
the 1868 they used Cardwell for a township in Muskoka.
I just had so many questions in my head when I saw Cardwell & Caledon
in the same location. Names of places changed so often as Canada West, Upper
Canada, Ontario grew and developed over the years. Keeping track of the dates
when names changed is a big part of doing genealogy in Ontario.
I assumed it was in Peel because this is where so many immigrants stopped
for a year or two while looking for land and obtaining the paperwork.
There are the Oro group but also the Beaverton/Thorold group. I want to
find out how they were related some day.
Stay safe and well everyone! Anne
PS. Peel was probably a priority as he was the UK Prime Minister at the
time
Viscount Cardwell was minister for the colonies in the Peel cabinet at the
time.
From: Ken
Harrison
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 12:43 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb Check on the Canadian Census site. About 40 years ago I learned that “Cardwell Co.” (not Cardwell Twp.) as used in this census was a fictional County and the location was actually in Peel County. I don’t remember why this was done, or whether it was an error, but the fiction was consistent throughout that census for that area. The actual home was in Caledon Twp, Peel Co., and nowhere near Muskoka.
Duncan had at least 2 younger brothers, Donald & Alexander, who emigrated with the family in 1852. I have no further info on them, do not know whether they married, where they went, when they died …. I’ve often wondered about the Oro bunch. Ken
From:
Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Anne Farrar
The location for Duncan in the 1871 Census is interesting. Cardwell Township is in the Parry Sound and Muskoka District in 1871. Both sets of my maternal 2x great grandparents settled there at that time. Caledon is north of Brampton in Peel County. They are 200+ kms apart.
Duncan and Grace are not part of my McNabb family as far as I know. All of the immigrant McNabbs were in Oro Twp, Simcoe County by 1850. Later many members of the younger generations moved to the West. Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. One also appears in Revelstoke. I think that branch ended up on Vancouver Island.
Anne
Hi Ken Found this on Ancestry not sure if he is you man on the Canada cencus Do you know Duncan children if he had any or this parents Cheers Josephine Duncan Mcnab In the Ontario, Canada Census Index, 1871
From:
Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken
Harrison Duncan & Grace were my GGGgparents. I have found no connection to anywhere on the Prairies. Duncan was a weaver, and emigrated to Canada with the family about 1852, but I have not located a death record. Some family papers suggest they went first to somewhere near Chatham, Ontario (no proof of this that I have found) but had moved to Chinguacousy, Ont within a year or two. He shows in both the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living with one of his married daughters in Caledon Twp. Grace also emigrated with family in 1852, according to family papers, but I have never found a record of her in Canada. She is not seen in the 1861 census above, so probably died between 1852 and 1861. Ken Harrison
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Re: Jessie Walker
Josephine Conray
Hi Bob
This information below is from two family trees on Ancestry. She was married to a James Williamson McPherson , born in Liverpool and died 1958 Newcastle Upon Tyne.
Jessie Walker was born in 1873 in Liverpool, Lancashire, the daughter of Mary and John Walker. She married James Macpherson on 15 May 1891 in Edinburgh, Midlothian. They had eight children in 19 years. She had one brother.
Census 30 Apr 1901 • Scotland Cameron Barracks, Millburn, Fort George, Ardersier, Inverness, Scotland. Soldier's Wife 1911 • Scotland 63 Brown Street, Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Scotland. Wife.
Jessie Walker lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, in 1925. 1925 • 7 Braco Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
I hope this helps but please verify the information. Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Elder via
groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2021 9:19 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [ScotGen] Jessie Walker
Hi I am trying to find Jessie Walker born 1873 England parents John Walker Mary Cattanach she married John MacPherson 1891 Edinburgh.
I cannot find her birth anywhere in England her father was Merchant sailor when she married her father was dead was she born at sea? How could I find out .
I have everything on their family only I cannot find out where & when Jessie died her husband died 1913 I have a feeling she might have moved up around Inverness.
Thank you for any help.
Bob Elder
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Re: McNabb
Ken Harrison
Check on the Canadian Census site. About 40 years ago I learned that “Cardwell Co.” (not Cardwell Twp.) as used in this census was a fictional County and the location was actually in Peel County. I don’t remember why this was done, or whether it was an error, but the fiction was consistent throughout that census for that area. The actual home was in Caledon Twp, Peel Co., and nowhere near Muskoka.
Duncan had at least 2 younger brothers, Donald & Alexander, who emigrated with the family in 1852. I have no further info on them, do not know whether they married, where they went, when they died …. I’ve often wondered about the Oro bunch. Ken
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anne Farrar
Sent: March 4, 2021 9:09 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb
The location for Duncan in the 1871 Census is interesting. Cardwell Township is in the Parry Sound and Muskoka District in 1871. Both sets of my maternal 2x great grandparents settled there at that time. Caledon is north of Brampton in Peel County. They are 200+ kms apart.
Duncan and Grace are not part of my McNabb family as far as I know. All of the immigrant McNabbs were in Oro Twp, Simcoe County by 1850. Later many members of the younger generations moved to the West. Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. One also appears in Revelstoke. I think that branch ended up on Vancouver Island.
Anne
Hi Ken Found this on Ancestry not sure if he is you man on the Canada cencus. Do you know Duncan children if he had any or this parents Cheers Josephine Duncan Mcnab In the Ontario, Canada Census Index, 1871
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison Duncan & Grace were my GGGgparents. I have found no connection to anywhere on the Prairies. Duncan was a weaver, and emigrated to Canada with the family about 1852, but I have not located a death record. Some family papers suggest they went first to somewhere near Chatham, Ontario (no proof of this that I have found) but had moved to Chinguacousy, Ont within a year or two. He shows in both the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living with one of his married daughters in Caledon Twp. Grace also emigrated with family in 1852, according to family papers, but I have never found a record of her in Canada. She is not seen in the 1861 census above, so probably died between 1852 and 1861. Ken Harrison
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Re: McNabb
Anne Farrar
The location for Duncan in the 1871 Census is interesting. Cardwell
Township is in the Parry Sound and Muskoka District in 1871. Both sets of my
maternal 2x great grandparents settled there at that time. Caledon is north of
Brampton in Peel County. They are 200+ kms apart.
Duncan and Grace are not part of my McNabb family as far as I know. All of
the immigrant McNabbs were in Oro Twp, Simcoe County by 1850. Later many members
of the younger generations moved to the West. Alberta, Saskatchewan and
Manitoba. One also appears in Revelstoke. I think that branch ended up on
Vancouver Island.
Anne
From: Victor McGinlay via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 5:57 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb Sorry not Ken
On Thursday, 4 March 2021, 10:54:09 GMT, Josephine Conray
<javc@...> wrote:
Hi Ken Found this on Ancestry not sure if he is you man on the Canada cencus.
Do you know Duncan children if he had any or this parents
Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
Duncan Mcnab In the Ontario, Canada Census Index, 1871
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Duncan & Grace were my GGGgparents. I have found no connection to anywhere on the Prairies. Duncan was a weaver, and emigrated to Canada with the family about 1852, but I have not located a death record. Some family papers suggest they went first to somewhere near Chatham, Ontario (no proof of this that I have found) but had moved to Chinguacousy, Ont within a year or two. He shows in both the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living with one of his married daughters in Caledon Twp. Grace also emigrated with family in 1852, according to family papers, but I have never found a record of her in Canada. She is not seen in the 1861 census above, so probably died between 1852 and 1861. Ken Harrison
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
<Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lauraine
Syrnick
Do you know if this Duncan McNab was sent to Canada - i.e. Winnipeg or Red River?
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick
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Re: McNabb
Ken Harrison
Josephine, Yes, that’s him. I have the complete census as I noted below, and he was living in the household of Alexander McLaren his son-in-law. Not sure what your question is, but Duncan had 6 children and I know the name of his father.
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josephine Conray
Sent: March 4, 2021 2:54 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb
Hi Ken Found this on Ancestry not sure if he is you man on the Canada cencus.
Do you know Duncan children if he had any or this parents
Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
Duncan Mcnab In the Ontario, Canada Census Index, 1871
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Duncan & Grace were my GGGgparents. I have found no connection to anywhere on the Prairies. Duncan was a weaver, and emigrated to Canada with the family about 1852, but I have not located a death record. Some family papers suggest they went first to somewhere near Chatham, Ontario (no proof of this that I have found) but had moved to Chinguacousy, Ont within a year or two. He shows in both the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living with one of his married daughters in Caledon Twp. Grace also emigrated with family in 1852, according to family papers, but I have never found a record of her in Canada. She is not seen in the 1861 census above, so probably died between 1852 and 1861. Ken Harrison
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Re: McNabb
Victor McGinlay
Sorry not Ken
On Thursday, 4 March 2021, 10:54:09 GMT, Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:
Hi Ken Found this on Ancestry not sure if he is you man on the Canada cencus.
Do you know Duncan children if he had any or this parents
Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
Duncan Mcnab In the Ontario, Canada Census Index, 1871
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Duncan & Grace were my GGGgparents. I have found no connection to anywhere on the Prairies. Duncan was a weaver, and emigrated to Canada with the family about 1852, but I have not located a death record. Some family papers suggest they went first to somewhere near Chatham, Ontario (no proof of this that I have found) but had moved to Chinguacousy, Ont within a year or two. He shows in both the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living with one of his married daughters in Caledon Twp. Grace also emigrated with family in 1852, according to family papers, but I have never found a record of her in Canada. She is not seen in the 1861 census above, so probably died between 1852 and 1861. Ken Harrison
From:
Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Lauraine Syrnick
Do you know if this Duncan McNab was sent to Canada - i.e. Winnipeg or Red River?
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick
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Jessie Walker
Bob Elder
Hi I am trying to find Jessie Walker born 1873 England parents John Walker Mary Cattanach she married John MacPherson 1891 Edinburgh.
I cannot find her birth anywhere in England her father was Merchant sailor when she married her father was dead was she born at sea? How could I find out .
I have everything on their family only I cannot find out where & when Jessie died her husband died 1913 I have a feeling she might have moved up around Inverness.
Thank you for any help.
Bob Elder
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Re: McNabb
Josephine Conray
Hi Ken Found this on Ancestry not sure if he is you man on the Canada cencus.
Do you know Duncan children if he had any or this parents
Cheers Josephine Qld Aust.
Duncan Mcnab In the Ontario, Canada Census Index, 1871
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2021 8:21 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb
Duncan & Grace were my GGGgparents. I have found no connection to anywhere on the Prairies. Duncan was a weaver, and emigrated to Canada with the family about 1852, but I have not located a death record. Some family papers suggest they went first to somewhere near Chatham, Ontario (no proof of this that I have found) but had moved to Chinguacousy, Ont within a year or two. He shows in both the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living with one of his married daughters in Caledon Twp. Grace also emigrated with family in 1852, according to family papers, but I have never found a record of her in Canada. She is not seen in the 1861 census above, so probably died between 1852 and 1861. Ken Harrison
From:
Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Lauraine Syrnick
Do you know if this Duncan McNab was sent to Canada - i.e. Winnipeg or Red River?
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick
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Re: McNabb
Lauraine Syrnick
I had a great great Uncle who married a woman whose first marriage was to a John McNab/McNabb in 1864. Believe they were married in Manitoba but trying to trace down a son and daughter he had with a Mary Livingston/Livingstone. I believe they had a son called Duncan McNab who was born in the U.S. - looking for the place he was borne.
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Re: McNabb
Ken Harrison
Duncan & Grace were my GGGgparents. I have found no connection to anywhere on the Prairies. Duncan was a weaver, and emigrated to Canada with the family about 1852, but I have not located a death record. Some family papers suggest they went first to somewhere near Chatham, Ontario (no proof of this that I have found) but had moved to Chinguacousy, Ont within a year or two. He shows in both the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living with one of his married daughters in Caledon Twp. Grace also emigrated with family in 1852, according to family papers, but I have never found a record of her in Canada. She is not seen in the 1861 census above, so probably died between 1852 and 1861. Ken Harrison
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lauraine Syrnick
Sent: March 3, 2021 10:27 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McNabb
Do you know if this Duncan McNab was sent to Canada - i.e. Winnipeg or Red River?
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick
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