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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Thankyou Josephine. I have three trees up for McArthur. the main one is McARTHUR/STEVENSON etc Laing/WEBBER etc Family Tree they had 9 children all born in the Upper Nile area, near Evandale. Isabella 1858 (conceived in Scotland), Margaret, Mary, John, George, William (iur Line, Peter Duncan and Robert Russell McARTHUR. the family arrived in Tasmania 31 March, 1857 on the Broomielaw. I have never found a photo of the ship and have always comeup withe the Dock Brooielaw when goggling. Beed to Quebec where she was built as well to see if they had any photos of her. I saw the log book she was mentioned in but no photo. I have done a bit of seach n the whereabouts of Cathcrt but havent found any farms as wyet. I did finda young fellow John CUNNINGHAM aged 21 and single on the Broomie law lso from Cathcart and thought he may of been working with our Joh and put a post over AUS-TAsmania.rootsweb but to no avail. There was no reply for any cunnigham families who had this John in their family tree. I though there was a town or farm name in front of Cathcart for his entry, but cannot seem to find where I saw it now. It would be a starting point for me to find the little village or farm near Cathcart where John was working I knw Cathcart is only about 2miles by 4 miles. Another thing is I was in touch with a lady who lives overseas whose family came fromBarrhead very close to Cambuslang. Her family came out to Sydney and were into the Shipping business. she did give me her families and there were a few Thomas which we do not have in our family.andshe isnt planing to having any DNA tested I think only her father and a little baby are the males and the father is in a nursing home, so close but so far. Thanks for all of the help given so far. regards Edie McArthur
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Thank you Josephien. I downloaded some of the maps. I think I may have one of them but will be handy to search out some farmland. A lady on the list mentioned the 1856/7 Survey Name Books when I first joined and i haven't done anything with those as yet. So they will be handy as well. Some nice photos of old Cathcart amongst them Thanks again Edie McArthur
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Edie
Have you looked at the links here https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/RFW/Cathcart - also check out the maps at the National Library of Scotland as many of the older maps have farms
on them https://maps.nls.uk/
If I can help in some way let me know as I am based in Oban, Scotland
Fiona Turnbull
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Edie McArthur <eamca1944@...>
Sent: 05 February 2020 10:21 To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct Thankyou Josephine. I have three trees up for McArthur. the main one is McARTHUR/STEVENSON etc Laing/WEBBER etc Family Tree they had 9 children all born in the Upper Nile area, near Evandale. Isabella 1858 (conceived in Scotland), Margaret, Mary, John,
George, William (iur Line, Peter Duncan and Robert Russell McARTHUR. the family arrived in Tasmania 31 March, 1857 on the Broomielaw. I have never found a photo of the ship and have always comeup withe the Dock Brooielaw when goggling. Beed to Quebec where
she was built as well to see if they had any photos of her. I saw the log book she was mentioned in but no photo.
I have done a bit of seach n the whereabouts of Cathcrt but havent found any farms as wyet. I did finda young fellow John CUNNINGHAM aged 21 and single on the Broomie law lso from Cathcart and thought he may of been working with our Joh and put a post
over AUS-TAsmania.rootsweb but to no avail. There was no reply for any cunnigham families who had this John in their family tree. I though there was a town or farm name in front of Cathcart for his entry, but cannot seem to find where I saw it now. It would
be a starting point for me to find the little village or farm near Cathcart where John was working I knw Cathcart is only about 2miles by 4 miles.
Another thing is I was in touch with a lady who lives overseas whose family came fromBarrhead very close to Cambuslang. Her family came out to Sydney and were into the Shipping business. she did give me her families and there were a few Thomas which we
do not have in our family.andshe isnt planing to having any DNA tested I think only her father and a little baby are the males and the father is in a nursing home, so close but so far.
Thanks for all of the help given so far.
regards
Edie McArthur
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Les Horn
Have a look at the NLS (National Library of Scotland) maps web-site.
This URL will take you to Cathcart. https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.8187&lon=-4.2618&layers=5&b=1
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
E J Bateson
try this, its the old ordinance survey maps of scotland in 1800s https://maps.nls.uk/view/74427699
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Falkirk Burns House
Karina McHugh
Anybody have any information about Burns House. It doesn't exist anymore, but was demolished to make way for a canal or something. I can't find anything about it. Hoping someone out there does.
Karina
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Hi Fiona, Thank you for your help. I am familiar with Genuki, it is a wonderful site to use. However you do have to use other sites as it doesn't cover everything ones needs. The National Map site, I have'nt seen, so that is going to be very useful. Now I need to know where to locate the Ordnance Name Books as I am sure they will be useful to others as well, especially if like me they live overseas in Australia. I have seen a good bit of Scotland during and after a working holiday in 1990 in the UK, when we were living at Gateshead, Tyne N Wear and you could go in and out of Scotland on weekends and long weekends. Then we did a more thorough look through Scotland using Youth Hostels. Been to the Isle o Skye an the main cities, not sure about Oban, I will have to look at my photos from that trip. We had been to Scotland briefly in 1989 to visit Fort George at Ardersier, Inverness where my grandfather Joseph Henry LANE was born 1975 whilst my great grandfather Joseph Crane LANE was stationed with the First Royal Scots. Also my GF half sister Martha LANE (born Colchester, Essex, England to Joseph Crane LANE first wife Emma HOLMES, who died in Colchester), was living there also and she had married a Thomas MacNeil, son of Margaret Porteous and William MacNeil. My son and I are quite frustrated Fiona. We have everything we need the Tasmanian end and we have had two of our three sons and our only daughter, plus their fathers DNA using three companies, FTDNA, MyHeritage and ancestry.com. It is just the birth date and place of our John McArthur c1828, could be either side of that. We have a census record in 1841 of a Duncan McArthur with a wife Janet , they have children Duncan, Peter Robert, John and daughter Janet, but I have checked the birth of that John out on Scotlands people and he is the lawful son of Duncan and Janet McArthur. What does Lawful usually mean as I dont always see that, but our John has Margaret Smith as his mother on his and Isabella Stevensons marriage certificate. I was thinking that maybe he belonged to the Militia as he was a farm servant and could maybe of been called up. I have checked on fold3 for him but cant see anything that stands out. Thank you again for your help. Edie Mc Australia
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
HI Leshorn, Thank you very much for bringing up the Cathcart Map for me from the National Library of Scotland. That is a great map as it shows clearly all of the surrounding towns Villages and possibly Farms. I just need to find the John Cuningham who came same ship as our John and his wife to see the town he was living in at Cathcart as tha could be a start in our seach in that area. 'Thans again for your help Edie Mc
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Thank you E Bateson, another good map. I hope others are benefiting from these Maps as well. Thanks again Edie Mc
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Re: Use of codes
I absolutely disagree. You soon learn the ones you use regularly. I almost never need to look up a UK code. And it's a lot less pain to look up an occasional code than to type out 'Ross and Cromarty' (17 keystrokes) or 'Montgomeryshire' (16) instead of 'ROC' or 'MGY' (just 3 each). That's why they were invented - to save typing.
Anne
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Re: Use of codes
Hello Lauraine - thanks for your comment. To answer your question - ROC is the code for Ross and Cromarty, as I stated in my initial suggestion, just to use an example. Some more examples - INV = Inverness, BAN = Banff, MOR = Moray etc. They're fairly self explanatory really. By the way, they are available in many other locations and a printed page comes in handy.
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How about if those who are used to using them, continue to do so and those not familiar, not use them, then the reader can decide whether to read the post or not. Jocelyn
On 5/02/2020 7:27 pm, Edie McArthur wrote:
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Codes
Janet Miller
Hi
I do not use codes and struggle some times to think what they are and could have written them many times by the time I look them up and get them correct . Handy if one has a small data base , but my Scots relatives all 40,000 come from all over and I would rather remember them than fill my head with codes. Like anything of course one can get used to it if one has to, but they are surely not the best in a data base where descendants who are not genealogists will be looking or when a print out is sent. The uninitiated will struggle no end and of course a touch typist will not bother and an unrecognised code will just be a humbug. What fun this genealogy is. Cheers Janet
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Re: Use of codes
Lauraine Syrnick
Yes, realized they were abbreviation
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and I use SHI sometimes. However, also belong to WIkiTree and you have to write the full contents of places so people from all over the world can readily understand0 what place you are talking about. For those living in Scotland, these may be a benefit but for the many people living in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States do not see this as being viable. I have so much paper on my desk, another piece will not help and would never find it. Must try and find out which abbreviation is for Angus or Forforeshire. Lauraine Syrnick
On Feb 5, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Jocelyn Gould <jocelyngould@qldnet.com.au> wrote:
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Re: Codes
Lauraine Syrnick
Janet, I am a touch typist and it would take me several minutes to look up codes if not longer. At one time did 80 words per minute. Am now 82 so not fast any more but can still touch type so much faster than looking an abbreviation up.
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On Feb 5, 2020, 8:40 PM, Janet Miller <janetmiller@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
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Re: Use of codes
Ian & Margaret Kelly
I think that WikiTree and Lauraine have the right idea. Why not take an extra few seconds and type the full word instead of using the codes. Not everyone lives in Scotland.
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Ian, Qld. (oops, better make that Queensland)
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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lauraine Syrnick Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:47 PM To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Use of codes Yes, realized they were abbreviation and I use SHI sometimes. However, also belong to WIkiTree and you have to write the full contents of places so people from all over the world can readily understand0 what place you are talking about. For those living in Scotland, these may be a benefit but for the many people living in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States do not see this as being viable. I have so much paper on my desk, another piece will not help and would never find it. Must try and find out which abbreviation is for Angus or Forforeshire. Lauraine Syrnick On Feb 5, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Jocelyn Gould <jocelyngould@qldnet.com.au> wrote:
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Re: Falkirk Burns House
W David Samuelsen
Are you referring to Ellisland Farm site? Other houses are still standing (birthplace) and Dumfries. David Samuelsen
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:34 PM Karina McHugh <karinamchugh@...> wrote: Anybody have any information about Burns House. It doesn't exist anymore, but was demolished to make way for a canal or something. I can't find anything about it. Hoping someone out there does.
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Re: Codes #196
Janet Miller
As I thought Lauraine.
I wish I had learnt to touch type in my younger days,I am very much pick and mix , but reasonably quick all the same . You are doing well and it must be good for the brain as well. Like a lister said another piece of paper on the desk is not ideal.They say it is never too late to learn, but my ship has sailed on learning anything but basics now. Happy hunting from New Zealand Janet
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Re: Use of codes
Lindsay Graham
With what are you disagreeing, Anne? The issue is
not whether individuals wish to make use of Chapman codes in their
own research (as you and many others do, but many do not) but
whether Chapman codes should be compulsory in the headings of
emails to this list. If they are, that forces every reader to
become familiar with Chapman codes, an impossible and quite
inappropriate requirement. It would also mean that some emails
quoting Chapman codes would simply be ignored by some readers who
are not familiar with them. That would be a great pity.
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Realistically, how much extra time does it take one to spell the word out in a single email heading rather than using a 3-letter code that many readers will not recognise? Lindsay Graham Canberra, Australia
On 6/2/20 0956, Anne Burgess via
Groups.Io wrote:
I absolutely disagree. You soon learn the ones you use regularly. I almost never need to look up a UK code. And it's a lot less pain to look up an occasional code than to type out 'Ross and Cromarty' (17 keystrokes) or 'Montgomeryshire' (16) instead of 'ROC' or 'MGY' (just 3 each). That's why they were invented - to save typing. Anne
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Re: Use of codes
Dee Byster-Graham
Dear fellow-listers,
Oh my goodness! All this talk of codes! Just to be clear, I, for one, will never bother to use them, however ,people who wish to do so, may. They serve no purpose, as far as I can see, except to add a layer of difficulty for new researchers, folks who have never heard of them, and for those delightful, shy folks who need to ask questions but don’t know how to easily. Researching one’s family tree can be extremely difficult for anyone, especially when first beginning – I vividly recall my own tentative questions, and trying not to appear too silly in their wording. Let us retain a welcoming, helpful attitude, and not make difficulties where none need be for our new seekers.
Kindly, Dee. Searching: MITCHELL: MATHER: MORE: COB: BANNISTER:BULLOCH, and related families.
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lindsay Graham
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2020 4:27 PM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Use of codes
With what are you disagreeing, Anne? The issue is not whether individuals wish to make use of Chapman codes in their own research (as you and many others do, but many do not) but whether Chapman codes should be compulsory in the headings of emails to this list. If they are, that forces every reader to become familiar with Chapman codes, an impossible and quite inappropriate requirement. It would also mean that some emails quoting Chapman codes would simply be ignored by some readers who are not familiar with them. That would be a great pity. (snip)
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Seeking information about "the Deanery", Leith or Edinburgh, 1890s
Susan Kiley
I’ve had no luck searching online. My paternal grandfather Thomas Wright was born in Leith in 1884, His father, a dock worker, died in 1888 leaving ten children, including my then-three years old grandfather. My grandfather said that his mother placed all her boys at “The Deanery” and that his mother and all the girls went into service. In 1907, at the age of 22, Thomas emigrated to Canada.
I’m not sure if the story is true, especially given that I’ve found Thomas living with family members at the time of both the 1891 and the 1901 censuses, but I’m hoping to learn if there actually was a “Deanery” that might have housed destitute children in the late 1800s, Bonus points given if anyone knows if records of children housed there still exist! Thank you, Susan Wright Kiley from USA
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