Re: MOIR
Goldie & Lido Doratti
Finding Patrick's thread interesting. I have record of a James Innes
married to Isobel MOIR 11 Nov. 1797, Huntly AB. The parish of Forgue AB
has MOIR families there. Over the years I have seen this name spelled
various ways including MOIR, MAIR, MORE, MOR. I suspect Isobel's father to
be Alexander Moir or MAIR from Forgue. No proof. The couple settled
in Oriquhill, Banffshire. Goldie
From: Patrick
Fero
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] MCCOLMAN, CAMPBELL, BELL,
GRAHAM Not
to confuse matters, although admittedly I probably am, but we've got Muirs in
our background also, but can find no link between them and those being discussed
here. This is the limited information I have: Nothing much back beyond William Moir
(1818-1861)/Catherine Woodward (1828-1896) except his parents were likely
William and Mary Moir. No direct evidence back beyond that.
Also no direct evidence of any surname spelled More or Muir other than the
belief that all of them stem from the same gene pool farther
back. Our clan likely came from
Aberdeenshire.
The 1861 London Ontario census shows Margaret and
William Moir and three kids (James 1819; Alexander 1824; and William
1818) living in the same neighborhood as the Woodwards and the Dwyers (all
eventually intermarried). St. Peter's Basilica Parish records there show
our Moirs were married in 1850 and had child #1 (Isabella) in
1851.
Have not yet found the precise emigration year or
the vessel on which they sailed but it's narrowed to 1848-49. And,
William and three of the six kids all died in the 1861 influenza epidemic
(December).
Catherine remarried in Detroit in 1863 to Patrick
Keating and they and the three surviving Moir kids (Isabella 1851, Daniel 1854,
and William1856) moved up to Ovid in that time frame.
Patrick Fero Pennsylvania On 1/30/2020 5:08 PM, Jocelyn Gould
wrote:
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Re: MORE
Hi Folks, Can I suggest that we also put the place or county name with the
surname. For compactness in the subject line, I suggest we use
the Chapman Codes for the county and country. These can be found
at <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Regions/Codes#index> In
my case it's MORE ROC SCT. If we're all only looking in SCT then
we can delete that to save space. For those unfamiliar with
these, ROC is Ross and Cromarty. Cheers Jocelyn in Australia
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Re: MCCOLMAN, CAMPBELL, BELL, GRAHAM
Dee Byster-Graham
Hi Patrick and Listers,
I do agree with you, surnames were remarkably fluid pre 1800’s. Only in recent times with our education systems stabilised do we find surname conformity. Also different country accents were difficult for recorders (generally English esp in Ireland) to understand and record correctly. MOIR/MUIR/MOOR /MORE etc are an ideal demonstration of this problem.
Kindly, Dee
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Fero
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2020 6:54 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [ScotGen] MCCOLMAN, CAMPBELL, BELL, GRAHAM
Not to confuse matters, although admittedly I probably am, but we've got Muirs in our background also, but can find no link between them and those being discussed here. Nothing much back beyond William Moir (1818-1861)/Catherine Woodward (1828-1896) except his parents were likely William and Mary Moir. No direct evidence back beyond that. Also no direct evidence of any surname spelled More or Muir other than the belief that all of them stem from the same gene pool farther back. Our clan likely came from Aberdeenshire. The 1861 London Ontario census shows Margaret and William Moir and three kids (James 1819; Alexander 1824; and William 1818) living in the same neighborhood as the Woodwards and the Dwyers (all eventually intermarried). St. Peter's Basilica Parish records there show our Moirs were married in 1850 and had child #1 (Isabella) in 1851. Have not yet found the precise emigration year or the vessel on which they sailed but it's narrowed to 1848-49. And, William and three of the six kids all died in the 1861 influenza epidemic (December). Catherine remarried in Detroit in 1863 to Patrick Keating and they and the three surviving Moir kids (Isabella 1851, Daniel 1854, and William1856) moved up to Ovid in that time frame. BTW, twins tend to run in the gene pool. William was a twin (1818), his son Daniel had a twin John (1854), and his daughter Helen Neva Moore Newman (1897) was a twin (Hazel Eva 1897). On 1/30/2020 5:08 PM, Jocelyn Gould wrote:
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Subject headings [was MORE]
Lindsay Graham
Although a fellow Australian, I'm afraid I have a
different view, Jocelyn.
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First, it is really important that subject headings are relevant to the content of the message. That's why I changed the heading above -- and also made it a new topic so that it is not included in the same conversation as all those about MORE. How much easier it will be for each of us when looking over pst emails and, particularly, the archives of this list, if subject headings relate to the content. Second, I agree that Chapman codes can be useful, but not everyone knows about them. This list should be useful for both new and experienced researchers -- it will be most helpful for newbies if the words used are easily understood without having to do a lookup somewhere else. Lindsay Graham Canberra, Australia
On 3/2/20 1040, Jocelyn Gould wrote:
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Re: New emails [was Subject headings]
Lindsay Graham
Sue, you simply create a new email (not sure of the
exact way to do that in the Gmail web interface, but it should be
pretty obvious). Address that email to
Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io -- as long as you send it from
the email address that you used to subscribe to the group, that
should go straight to the group.
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Good luck. Lindsay
On 4/2/20 1551, Sue Wood wrote:
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More ROC SCT
But Lindsay, you don't have a different view to me at all as I
hope my new subject line will show. I agree entirely and what you
say is exactly what I am suggesting and now putting into practice,
and if your Mores aren't from ROC, you won't waste time even
looking at this and that is the point, unless you're following my
thread. The Chapman Codes were designed for a good reason and surely all researchers are interested in improving their research skills. My great grandmother was Catherine MORE b 29 Jul 1833 at
Arkendeith near Avoch ROC (in the Black Isle which is neither an
island nor black) to father Alexander MORE (1774-1860) and his
second wife Catharine MUSTARD (1787-1867). His first wife was
Isabel MORE (maiden name) and they had seven children all born in
the Black Isle in ROC between 1799 and 1812. Looking for descendants from either wife. And if my suggestion works, Lindsay, you won't even read this ;-) Jocelyn in Queensland
On 3/02/2020 5:28 pm, Lindsay Graham
wrote:
Although a fellow Australian, I'm afraid I have a different view, Jocelyn.
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Re: More ROC SCT
Lindsay Graham
Jocelyn, you have changed the existing subject line,
which means that (because email programs look at headers not
subject lines) it will be included in the same conversation thread
as the email to which you have replied. Always best to use a new
email for a new subject.
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I suggested that Chapman codes can be useful, but not in subject headings in this list. I have no idea what ROC means and you have not even interpreted it in the body of the email. Sure, I could go and look it up, but why would not use a term that everybody, including new users who are feeling their way and looking for help, will understand? Lindsay
On 4/2/20 1651, Jocelyn Gould wrote:
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THORBURN
P & S Hill
I’ve just joined the group and I’m wondering if anyone is researching
the THORBURN family. I’m descended from Euphemia
THORBURN who was born on a property called Deloraine in Ettrick,
Selkirkshire abt. 1805. Her parents were William and Euphemia (nee
ELLIOTT.
Regards
Sue Hill
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McQueen's in Skye
Sue Wood
Can anyone help me with this family? I know about Mary and Euphemia but nothing about the others. As far as I know, Malcolm never married and didn't have any descendants. Did Christy marry Malcoml Stewart? 1-Kenneth MACQUEEN b. Abt 1770, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland + Mary MACLEAN b. Abt 1781, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland 2-Catherine MACQUEEN b. Abt 1813, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland 2-(Effy) Euphemia McQUEEN b. 1814, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. Jun 1904, Digby Victoria Australia + James GRANT b. Aug 1821, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. 1898, Digby Victoria Australia 2-Donald McQUEEN b. 1819, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland 2-Christy McQUEEN b. 1821, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland + Malcolm STEWART ??? 2-Mary McQUEEN b. Abt 1827, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 22 Jun 1893, Merino Victoria Australia + Thomas MILLER b. 27 Sep 1819, Bunkle & Preston Berwick Scotland 2-Malcolm McQUEEN b. Abt 1823, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 23rd Aug 1905, Inverness, Inverness Scotland. Sue Wood Geelong Victoria Australia.
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Leslie's of Burntisland
Quist Family
Hello, I am researching the Leslie's of Burntisland. Many of them are buried in the Old Kirkton Churchyard. I am still trying to confirm the following line as well as go back further. Alexander Leslie Married Elizabeth Stocks Alexander Leslie (1738-1804) Married Catherine Dewar John Leslie (1769-) Married Margaret Brydie (-1838) John Leslie (1819-1897) Married Anne Drysdale (1824-1896) John Leslie (1845-1917) - Immigrated to Brooklyn, NY 1860 Married Eliza Knox (1847-1880) Married Adelia Thompson (1858-1928) Thanks, Erik Quist
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Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Hi,
Does anyone have a list or at least one farm in Cathart, Renfrewshire area please. It ould needed to be going back at least 1956. I want to search in that area for our John McArthur born 1828 someplace in Scotland , but was living and working as a Farm Servant at Cathcart prior to his and Isabella Stevensons marriage that took place at Cambuslang, Lanarkshire 2 December 1856. Their banns were read at Cathcart. I would like to do a bit of research i that area. Also a good reseachers name would be useful as well for that area please, in case I dont have any luck myself. Thank you in advance for any help. -- eamca57
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Jean Reynolds
Cathcart is an area in the south side of Glasgow Jean Reynolds
On 4 Feb 2020, at 21:11, Edie McArthur <eamca1944@...> wrote:
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Re: New emails [was Subject headings]
Sue Wood
Thanks for the tip! I will have a go tonight.
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 16:27, Lindsay Graham <LDGraham@...> wrote:
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Use of codes
Lauraine Syrnick
Definitely agree with Lindsay. Such codes are not good for all of us. Yes, maybe we should use them, but have no idea what’s ROC means. Will have to look it up which is a real pain.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick - Canada
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Re: Use of codes
Ray Rob
Yes , to me ROC means Republic of China !
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:46 PM Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote: Definitely agree with Lindsay. Such codes are not good for all of us. Yes, maybe we should use them, but have no idea what’s ROC means. Will have to look it up which is a real pain.
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Josephine Conray
Hi
Just Google and found this site. https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/16932 Also there are about 53 Family Tree on Ancestry for John & Isabella, and both of them died in Parersonia, Tasmania, Australia and had 14 childrem
Cheers Josephine Qld Aust
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edie McArthur
Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2020 7:12 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Hi,
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Josephine Conray
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edie McArthur
Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2020 7:12 AM To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Hi,
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Robertson/Turner/Mitchell
Janet Farmer
I am trying to find out if there is a connection between my Mitchell and Robertson/Turner family. DONALD MITCHELL m CATHERINE McLELLAN Proven child: FLORA
MITCHELL b circa 1795 m ALEXANDER ROBERTSON b circa 1793 Death: Source: Kilarrow
Cemetery, 300381, CENSUS RECORDS Could not locate on 1841 Census The following Census
for Scotland was taken on the night of 31st March, 1851
1851 Census From Islay Births: Alexander Robertson and Flory Turner John Robertson born 23 Feb 1823 Kilchoman John Robertson born 4 Jan 1825 Kilchoman * Peter Robertson born 2 Jul 1827 Mary Robertson born 11 Jul 1829 Ann Robertson born 18 Nov 1831 * Best wishes Janet (Ontario)
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Re: Use of codes
HI,
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I actually found the list of codes to be handy. I printed them all out and used one this morning when I posted about the whereabouts of any old Cathcart Farmsc1850's in Renfrewshire. RFW. It shorted the subject heading for me. To each his own I guess. Edie McArthur
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From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com> To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, 4 Feb, 2020 At 6:40 PM Subject: [ScotGen] Use of codes Definitely agree with Lindsay. Such codes are not good for all of us. Yes, maybe we should use them, but have no idea what’s ROC means. Will have to look it up which is a real pain. Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick - Canada -- eamca57
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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct
Thank you for your reply Jean. Yes I know Cathcart is now between Glasgow and Renfrewshire since 1912, I believe, but in 1857 it was in Renfrewshire ony. Our John McArthur c1828, son of Duncan McArthur and Margaret Smith, was working there then and I am trying to trace his movements and hoped to find him at a farm working in the region of Cathcart. Hoping he will be mentioned in one of the farm surveys.. He was born elsewhere I think. We haven't found any McArthur surname in any of three males DNA, or at least three family members autosomal with ancestry.com. But have at least four surnames to go on that do appear in their YDNA with familytreedna' It was commn for Highland surnames to be named differently We had another surname the other day and they too have never found their surname through DNA as yet like us. We only have to deal with 9 as we have done Y111 and it has be narrowed down to the 9 surnames. So I am hoping to find when the name change took place, or the NPE that was suggested. regards Edie McArthur Australia
-- eamca57
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