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Re: MOIR

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

Finding Patrick's thread interesting.  I have record of a James Innes married to Isobel MOIR 11 Nov. 1797, Huntly AB.  The parish of Forgue AB has MOIR families there.  Over the years I have seen this name spelled various ways including MOIR, MAIR, MORE, MOR.  I suspect Isobel's father to be Alexander Moir or MAIR from Forgue.  No proof.  The couple settled in Oriquhill, Banffshire.  Goldie

From: Patrick Fero
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] MCCOLMAN, CAMPBELL, BELL, GRAHAM
 
Not to confuse matters, although admittedly I probably am, but we've got Muirs in our background also, but can find no link between them and those being discussed here.
This is the limited information I have:

Nothing much back beyond William Moir (1818-1861)/Catherine Woodward (1828-1896) except his parents were likely William and Mary Moir.   No direct evidence back beyond that.  Also no direct evidence of any surname spelled More or Muir other than the belief that all of them stem from the same gene pool farther back.     Our clan likely came from Aberdeenshire.   

The 1861 London Ontario census shows Margaret and William Moir and three kids (James 1819; Alexander 1824; and William 1818) living in the same neighborhood as the Woodwards and the Dwyers (all eventually intermarried).  St. Peter's Basilica Parish records there show our Moirs were married in 1850 and had child #1 (Isabella) in 1851.   

Have not yet found the precise emigration year or the vessel on which they sailed but it's narrowed to 1848-49.   And, William and three of the six kids all died in the 1861 influenza epidemic (December). 

Catherine remarried in Detroit in 1863 to Patrick Keating and they and the three surviving Moir kids (Isabella 1851, Daniel 1854, and William1856) moved up to Ovid in that time frame.

BTW, twins tend to run in the gene pool.   William was a twin (1818), his son Daniel had a twin John (1854), and his daughter Helen Neva Moore Newman (1897) was a twin (Hazel Eva 1897).

Patrick Fero
Pennsylvania


On 1/30/2020 5:08 PM, Jocelyn Gould wrote:

Hello from another More researcher,

My Mores were from Ross-shire as far back as the records allow, so can't help - sorry

Jocelyn

 

On 30/01/2020 2:40 pm, Marjorie . wrote:
Hi fellow MORE researchers
 
The MORE family I'm researching begins in Drymen, Stirlingshire about 1700 with:
John MORE c. 1700 married Margaret MCLEW born c. 1700
Their child of interest was John MOIR c 1727 married Katherine GRAHAM born c. 1729
 
Then William MORE/MOIR born c 1758 married Elizabeth BUCHANAN born  c. 1758
Offspring was David MORE c 1806 married Agnes Sloan GRAHAM in Glasgow, Lanarkshire in 1830
 
Their offspring of interest was David MORE 1847 who married Mary Jane CAMPBELL b. 1852
The family had migrated to Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire before scattering to many points of the globe including Canada and Australia.
Thanks for any help and will provide what help I can.
 


Re: MORE

Jocelyn Gould
 

Hi Folks,

Can I suggest that we also put the place or county name with the surname.  For compactness in the subject line, I suggest we use the Chapman Codes for the county and country.  These can be found at <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Regions/Codes#index>   In my case it's MORE ROC SCT.  If we're all only looking in SCT then we can delete that to save space.  For those unfamiliar with these, ROC is Ross and Cromarty.

Cheers

Jocelyn in Australia


Re: MCCOLMAN, CAMPBELL, BELL, GRAHAM

Dee Byster-Graham
 

Hi Patrick and Listers,

 

I do agree with you, surnames were remarkably fluid pre 1800’s. Only in recent times with our education systems stabilised do we find surname conformity.

Also different country accents were difficult for recorders (generally English esp in Ireland) to understand and record correctly.

MOIR/MUIR/MOOR /MORE etc  are an ideal demonstration of this problem.

 

Kindly,

Dee

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Fero
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2020 6:54 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] MCCOLMAN, CAMPBELL, BELL, GRAHAM

 

Not to confuse matters, although admittedly I probably am, but we've got Muirs in our background also, but can find no link between them and those being discussed here.
This is the limited information I have:

Nothing much back beyond William Moir (1818-1861)/Catherine Woodward (1828-1896) except his parents were likely William and Mary Moir.   No direct evidence back beyond that.  Also no direct evidence of any surname spelled More or Muir other than the belief that all of them stem from the same gene pool farther back.     Our clan likely came from Aberdeenshire.   



The 1861 London Ontario census shows Margaret and William Moir and three kids (James 1819; Alexander 1824; and William 1818) living in the same neighborhood as the Woodwards and the Dwyers (all eventually intermarried).  St. Peter's Basilica Parish records there show our Moirs were married in 1850 and had child #1 (Isabella) in 1851.   



Have not yet found the precise emigration year or the vessel on which they sailed but it's narrowed to 1848-49.   And, William and three of the six kids all died in the 1861 influenza epidemic (December). 



Catherine remarried in Detroit in 1863 to Patrick Keating and they and the three surviving Moir kids (Isabella 1851, Daniel 1854, and William1856) moved up to Ovid in that time frame.



BTW, twins tend to run in the gene pool.   William was a twin (1818), his son Daniel had a twin John (1854), and his daughter Helen Neva Moore Newman (1897) was a twin (Hazel Eva 1897).

Patrick Fero
Pennsylvania



On 1/30/2020 5:08 PM, Jocelyn Gould wrote:

Hello from another More researcher,

My Mores were from Ross-shire as far back as the records allow, so can't help - sorry

Jocelyn

 

On 30/01/2020 2:40 pm, Marjorie . wrote:

Hi fellow MORE researchers

 

The MORE family I'm researching begins in Drymen, Stirlingshire about 1700 with:

John MORE c. 1700 married Margaret MCLEW born c. 1700

Their child of interest was John MOIR c 1727 married Katherine GRAHAM born c. 1729

 

Then William MORE/MOIR born c 1758 married Elizabeth BUCHANAN born  c. 1758

Offspring was David MORE c 1806 married Agnes Sloan GRAHAM in Glasgow, Lanarkshire in 1830

 

Their offspring of interest was David MORE 1847 who married Mary Jane CAMPBELL b. 1852

The family had migrated to Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire before scattering to many points of the globe including Canada and Australia.

Thanks for any help and will provide what help I can.

 

 


Subject headings [was MORE]

Lindsay Graham
 

Although a fellow Australian, I'm afraid I have a different view, Jocelyn.

First, it is really important that subject headings are relevant to the content of the message.  That's why I changed the heading above -- and also made it a new topic so that it is not included in the same conversation as all those about MORE.  How much easier it will be for each of us when looking over pst emails and, particularly, the archives of this list, if subject headings relate to the content.

Second, I agree that Chapman codes can be useful, but not everyone knows about them.  This list should be useful for both new and experienced researchers -- it will be most helpful for newbies if the words used are easily understood without having to do a lookup somewhere else.

Lindsay Graham
Canberra, Australia


On 3/2/20 1040, Jocelyn Gould wrote:

Hi Folks,

Can I suggest that we also put the place or county name with the surname.  For compactness in the subject line, I suggest we use the Chapman Codes for the county and country.  These can be found at <https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Regions/Codes#index>   In my case it's MORE ROC SCT.  If we're all only looking in SCT then we can delete that to save space.  For those unfamiliar with these, ROC is Ross and Cromarty.

Cheers

Jocelyn in Australia


Re: New emails [was Subject headings]

Lindsay Graham
 

Sue, you simply create a new email (not sure of the exact way to do that in the Gmail web interface, but it should be pretty obvious).  Address that email to Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io -- as long as you send it from the email address that you used to subscribe to the group, that should go straight to the group.

Good luck.

Lindsay


On 4/2/20 1551, Sue Wood wrote:
Hello Lindsay. How do I send a new message to the group? 

I need help with my Skye ancestors

Sue Wood


More ROC SCT

Jocelyn Gould
 

But Lindsay, you don't have a different view to me at all as I hope my new subject line will show.  I agree entirely and what you say is exactly what I am suggesting and now putting into practice, and if your Mores aren't from ROC, you won't waste time even looking at this and that is the point, unless you're following my thread. 

The Chapman Codes were designed for a good reason and surely all researchers are interested in improving their research skills.

My great grandmother was Catherine MORE b 29 Jul 1833 at Arkendeith near Avoch ROC (in the Black Isle which is neither an island nor black) to father Alexander MORE (1774-1860) and his second wife Catharine MUSTARD (1787-1867).  His first wife was Isabel MORE (maiden name) and they had seven children all born in the Black Isle in ROC between 1799 and 1812. 

Looking for descendants from either wife.

And if my suggestion works, Lindsay, you won't even read this ;-)

Jocelyn in Queensland

On 3/02/2020 5:28 pm, Lindsay Graham wrote:
Although a fellow Australian, I'm afraid I have a different view, Jocelyn.

First, it is really important that subject headings are relevant to the content of the message.  That's why I changed the heading above -- and also made it a new topic so that it is not included in the same conversation as all those about MORE.  How much easier it will be for each of us when looking over pst emails and, particularly, the archives of this list, if subject headings relate to the content.

Second, I agree that Chapman codes can be useful, but not everyone knows about them.  This list should be useful for both new and experienced researchers -- it will be most helpful for newbies if the words used are easily understood without having to do a lookup somewhere else.

Lindsay Graham
Canberra, Australia



Re: More ROC SCT

Lindsay Graham
 

Jocelyn, you have changed the existing subject line, which means that (because email programs look at headers not subject lines) it will be included in the same conversation thread as the email to which you have replied.  Always best to use a new email for a new subject.

I suggested that Chapman codes can be useful, but not in subject headings in this list.  I have no idea what ROC means and you have not even interpreted it in the body of the email.  Sure, I could go and look it up, but why would not use a term that everybody, including new users who are feeling their way and looking for help, will understand?

Lindsay


On 4/2/20 1651, Jocelyn Gould wrote:

But Lindsay, you don't have a different view to me at all as I hope my new subject line will show.  I agree entirely and what you say is exactly what I am suggesting and now putting into practice, and if your Mores aren't from ROC, you won't waste time even looking at this and that is the point, unless you're following my thread. 

The Chapman Codes were designed for a good reason and surely all researchers are interested in improving their research skills.

My great grandmother was Catherine MORE b 29 Jul 1833 at Arkendeith near Avoch ROC (in the Black Isle which is neither an island nor black) to father Alexander MORE (1774-1860) and his second wife Catharine MUSTARD (1787-1867).  His first wife was Isabel MORE (maiden name) and they had seven children all born in the Black Isle in ROC between 1799 and 1812. 

Looking for descendants from either wife.

And if my suggestion works, Lindsay, you won't even read this ;-)

Jocelyn in Queensland

On 3/02/2020 5:28 pm, Lindsay Graham wrote:
Although a fellow Australian, I'm afraid I have a different view, Jocelyn.

First, it is really important that subject headings are relevant to the content of the message.  That's why I changed the heading above -- and also made it a new topic so that it is not included in the same conversation as all those about MORE.  How much easier it will be for each of us when looking over pst emails and, particularly, the archives of this list, if subject headings relate to the content.

Second, I agree that Chapman codes can be useful, but not everyone knows about them.  This list should be useful for both new and experienced researchers -- it will be most helpful for newbies if the words used are easily understood without having to do a lookup somewhere else.

Lindsay Graham
Canberra, Australia




THORBURN

P & S Hill
 

I’ve just joined the group and I’m wondering if anyone is researching the  THORBURN family.  I’m descended from Euphemia  THORBURN  who was born on a property called Deloraine in Ettrick, Selkirkshire abt. 1805. Her parents were William and Euphemia (nee ELLIOTT.
Regards
Sue Hill


McQueen's in Skye

Sue Wood
 

Can anyone help me with this family?
I know about Mary and Euphemia but nothing about the others.
As far as I know, Malcolm never married and didn't have any descendants.
Did Christy marry Malcoml Stewart?


1-Kenneth MACQUEEN b. Abt 1770, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

+ Mary MACLEAN b. Abt 1781, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland


2-Catherine MACQUEEN b. Abt 1813, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland


2-(Effy) Euphemia McQUEEN b. 1814, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. Jun 1904, Digby Victoria Australia

+ James GRANT b. Aug 1821, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. 1898, Digby Victoria Australia


2-Donald McQUEEN b. 1819, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland


2-Christy McQUEEN b. 1821, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

+ Malcolm STEWART ???


2-Mary McQUEEN b. Abt 1827, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 22 Jun 1893, Merino Victoria Australia

+ Thomas MILLER b. 27 Sep 1819, Bunkle & Preston Berwick Scotland


2-Malcolm McQUEEN b. Abt 1823, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 23rd Aug 1905, Inverness, Inverness Scotland.



Sue Wood   Geelong Victoria Australia.




Leslie's of Burntisland

Quist Family
 

Hello,

I am researching the Leslie's of Burntisland.  Many of them are buried in the Old Kirkton Churchyard.  I am still trying to confirm the following line as well as go back further.

Alexander Leslie
Married
Elizabeth Stocks

Alexander Leslie (1738-1804)
Married
Catherine Dewar

John Leslie (1769-)
Married
Margaret Brydie (-1838)

John Leslie (1819-1897)
Married
Anne Drysdale (1824-1896)

John Leslie (1845-1917) - Immigrated to Brooklyn, NY 1860
Married
Eliza Knox (1847-1880)
Married
Adelia Thompson (1858-1928)

Thanks,

Erik Quist


Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

Edie Mc
 

Hi,
Does anyone have a list or at least one  farm in Cathart, Renfrewshire area please. It ould  needed to be going back at least 1956.  I want to search in that area for our John McArthur born 1828 someplace in Scotland , but was living and working as a Farm Servant at Cathcart prior to his and Isabella Stevensons marriage that took place at Cambuslang, Lanarkshire 2 December 1856.  Their banns were read at Cathcart.  I would like to do a bit of research i that area.  Also a good reseachers name would be useful as well for that area please, in case I dont have any luck myself.

Thank you in advance for any help.
--
eamca57


Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

Jean Reynolds
 

Cathcart is an area in the south side of Glasgow

Jean Reynolds

On 4 Feb 2020, at 21:11, Edie McArthur <eamca1944@...> wrote:

Hi,
Does anyone have a list or at least one  farm in Cathart, Renfrewshire area please. It ould  needed to be going back at least 1956.  I want to search in that area for our John McArthur born 1828 someplace in Scotland , but was living and working as a Farm Servant at Cathcart prior to his and Isabella Stevensons marriage that took place at Cambuslang, Lanarkshire 2 December 1856.  Their banns were read at Cathcart.  I would like to do a bit of research i that area.  Also a good reseachers name would be useful as well for that area please, in case I dont have any luck myself.

Thank you in advance for any help.
--
eamca57


Re: New emails [was Subject headings]

Sue Wood
 

Thanks for the tip! I will have a go  tonight.


On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 16:27, Lindsay Graham <LDGraham@...> wrote:
Sue, you simply create a new email (not sure of the exact way to do that in the Gmail web interface, but it should be pretty obvious).  Address that email to Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io -- as long as you send it from the email address that you used to subscribe to the group, that should go straight to the group.

Good luck.

Lindsay


On 4/2/20 1551, Sue Wood wrote:
Hello Lindsay. How do I send a new message to the group? 

I need help with my Skye ancestors

Sue Wood


Use of codes

Lauraine Syrnick
 

Definitely agree with Lindsay. Such codes are not good for all of us. Yes, maybe we should use them, but have no idea what’s ROC means. Will have to look it up which is a real pain.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick - Canada


Re: Use of codes

Ray Rob
 

Yes , to me  ROC  means  Republic of China !


On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:46 PM Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote:
Definitely agree with Lindsay.  Such codes are not good for all of us.  Yes, maybe we should use them, but have no idea what’s ROC means.  Will have to look it up which is a real pain.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick - Canada




Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

Josephine Conray
 

Hi

 

Just Google and found this site. https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/16932  Also there are about 53 Family Tree on Ancestry for John & Isabella, and both of them died in Parersonia, Tasmania, Australia and had 14 childrem

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edie McArthur
Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2020 7:12 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

 

Hi,
Does anyone have a list or at least one  farm in Cathart, Renfrewshire area please. It ould  needed to be going back at least 1956.  I want to search in that area for our John McArthur born 1828 someplace in Scotland , but was living and working as a Farm Servant at Cathcart prior to his and Isabella Stevensons marriage that took place at Cambuslang, Lanarkshire 2 December 1856.  Their banns were read at Cathcart.  I would like to do a bit of research i that area.  Also a good reseachers name would be useful as well for that area please, in case I dont have any luck myself.

Thank you in advance for any help.
--
eamca57


Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

Josephine Conray
 

Hi

 

I found a better site  http://www.scotcities.com/cathcart/cathcart.htm

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edie McArthur
Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2020 7:12 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

 

Hi,
Does anyone have a list or at least one  farm in Cathart, Renfrewshire area please. It ould  needed to be going back at least 1956.  I want to search in that area for our John McArthur born 1828 someplace in Scotland , but was living and working as a Farm Servant at Cathcart prior to his and Isabella Stevensons marriage that took place at Cambuslang, Lanarkshire 2 December 1856.  Their banns were read at Cathcart.  I would like to do a bit of research i that area.  Also a good reseachers name would be useful as well for that area please, in case I dont have any luck myself.

Thank you in advance for any help.
--
eamca57


Robertson/Turner/Mitchell

Janet Farmer
 

I am trying to find out if there is a connection between my Mitchell and Robertson/Turner family.  

DONALD MITCHELL m CATHERINE McLELLAN   

Proven child: FLORA MITCHELL b circa 1795  m ALEXANDER ROBERTSON b circa 1793
married circa 1829

Death:
 Source - Killarow Cemetery 224610
FLORA ROBERTSON nee MITCHELL died  6 July 1871, age 76, wife of Alexander Robertson, Parents: Donald Mitchell and Catherine McLellan, Informant: Alexander Robertson - Husband. Pneumonia, Main St. Bowmore. 

Source: Kilarrow Cemetery, 300381,        
Robertson Alexander, died 23 Mar 1873, age 80, widower of Mitchell Flora, Parents: Robertson Peter, McDonald, Elizabeth, Anne Robertson-Daughter, Heart Disease,Church St Bowmore

 CENSUS RECORDS

 Could not locate on 1841 Census

The following Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 31st March, 1851

1851 Census
Portnahaven - Octofad
Alexander Robertson  head m age 53  Ploughman  Portnahaven
Flora Robertson  wife m age 53     Kilchoman
John Robertson  son u age 24 (1829) farm lab  Portnahaven
Anne Robertson dau u age 18 house servant born Portnahaven

From Islay Births:

Alexander Robertson and Flory Turner
John Robertson born 23 Feb 1823 Kilchoman
John Robertson born 4 Jan 1825 Kilchoman   *
Peter Robertson born 2 Jul 1827
Mary Robertson born 11 Jul 1829
Ann Robertson born 18 Nov 1831    *

Best wishes
Janet (Ontario)


Re: Use of codes

Edie Mc
 

HI,
I actually found the list of codes to be handy. I printed them all out and used one this morning when I posted about the whereabouts of any old Cathcart Farmsc1850's in Renfrewshire. RFW. It shorted the subject heading for me. To each his own I guess.

Edie McArthur

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@...>
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 4 Feb, 2020 At 6:40 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Use of codes

Definitely agree with Lindsay. Such codes are not good for all of us. Yes, maybe we should use them, but have no idea what’s ROC means. Will have to look it up which is a real pain.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick - Canada








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eamca57


Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

Edie Mc
 

Thank you for your reply Jean. Yes I know Cathcart is now between Glasgow and Renfrewshire since 1912, I believe, but in 1857 it was in Renfrewshire ony.  Our John McArthur c1828, son of Duncan McArthur and Margaret Smith, was working there then and I am trying to trace his movements and hoped to find him at a farm working in the region of Cathcart.  Hoping he will be mentioned in one of the farm surveys.. He was born elsewhere  I think. We haven't found any McArthur surname in any of three males DNA, or at least three family members autosomal with ancestry.com. But have at least four surnames to go on that do appear in their YDNA with familytreedna'  It was commn for Highland surnames to be named differently  We had another surname the other day and they too have never found  their surname through DNA as yet like us. We only have to deal with 9 as we have done Y111 and it has be narrowed down to the 9 surnames.  So I am hoping to find when the name change took place, or the NPE that was suggested.

regards
Edie McArthur
Australia



------ Original Message ------
From: "Jean Reynolds via Groups.Io" <jean.reynolds1@...>
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 5 Feb, 2020 At 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

Cathcart is an area in the south side of Glasgow

Jean Reynolds

On 4 Feb 2020, at 21:11, Edie McArthur <eamca1944@...> wrote:

Hi,
Does anyone have a list or at least one  farm in Cathart, Renfrewshire area please. It ould  needed to be going back at least 1956.  I want to search in that area for our John McArthur born 1828 someplace in Scotland , but was living and working as a Farm Servant at Cathcart prior to his and Isabella Stevensons marriage that took place at Cambuslang, Lanarkshire 2 December 1856.  Their banns were read at Cathcart.  I would like to do a bit of research i that area.  Also a good reseachers name would be useful as well for that area please, in case I dont have any luck myself.

Thank you in advance for any help.
--
eamca57    
   

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eamca57