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Alexander McCanch family

ladybud42@...
 

I am wondering if anyone is researching the McCanch family from Scotland.  I have information some information on Alexander McCanch born in 1844 in Old Monkland, Lanark.  Nothing of family before that.  Thank, Judy McCartney


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Anne Burgess
 

Aha! Got it. Searched for McKie, given name Thom*on.

There is a birth in Dumfries in 1907 indexed as Walker Thomson McKie, not as Walter Thomson McKie.

That does seem to pin him down quite satisfactorily.

Though if he was born on 10 April, he was actually a week short of being aged 4 on census day, which was 2 April 1911, and should have been recorded as aged 3. But that is very minor.

Anne


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Robert N. G. KEMSLEY <robtricia@...>
 

Evening Anne;

I don't know the connection to family in Canada as my mother suggested, but for her to have said that, indicates there is something there, family wise?
I wonder if my mother knew of Walter's past, seeing she lived with him for 43 years?

I know I've seen it somewhere, but cannot readily lay my hands on at present and it's not in the folder, but Walter always celebrated his birthday on the 10th of April each year and I've him born 10 April 1907, Netherwood Cottage, Dumfries, Dumfriesshires, Scotland.

And yes; I've the 1911 Census; Berscar Cottage, Dumfries with the parents as William & Agnes with 6 children which includes Walter 4 Born 1907.
It also records Mary THOMPSON a visitor who would be Agnes's Mother.

Yes; it would be great to have access to the 1921 census as Walter would be in there somewhere as he didn't emigrate to western Australia until 1926.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 11 October 2021 7:29 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Thank you. It does to the extent of proving that the family who emigrated to Canada are a red herring.

There remains the problem that there is no record of his birth in Dumfries as Walter McKie in 1907, so his birth is **not** proved.

You need to find William McKie and Agnes Thomson in the 1911 census (and, even better, in the 2021 when it is eventually released next year) and see if they had a son Walter.


Melrose

Bob Elder
 

Hi Josephine.

 

Thank you for the information on my Melrose family.

 

As I’m in the UK is it possible for me to find put further information & how would I go about it,

 

Many thanks.

 

Bob


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Anne Burgess
 

Thank you. It does to the extent of proving that the family who emigrated to Canada are a red herring.

There remains the problem that there is no record of his birth in Dumfries as Walter McKie in 1907, so his birth is **not** proved.

You need to find William McKie and Agnes Thomson in the 1911 census (and, even better, in the 2021 when it is eventually released next year) and see if they had a son Walter.


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Robert N. G. KEMSLEY <robtricia@...>
 

Morning Anne:

The message to the list from Valorie was in reply to my posting on the 21 August and thus the confusion and in the interim; I have learnt ever so very much from the list.
Initially I was looking for the family in Canada where my mother told the extended family they were and perhaps some elements of the family may be there; but the family I am particularly interested in remained in the UK with Walter Thomson McKIE emigrating to western Australia where he claimed to have been with a Brother which has since proved to be correct as well as other clues he dropped over the years.

" William McKie and Agnes Thomson were married in 1897 in Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbrightshire. Again, their marriage certificate will tell you the names of their parents. William McKie, widower of Agnes Thomson, died in Thornhill (Morton registration district) in 1952. His wife Agnes died in Irongray in 1949."

This is the family I've been following as I believe it is the family sought and because it fits is what was already known of Walter.

" Why do you think that Walter Thomson McKinnin was the son of William McKie and Agnes Thomson, by the way?"

Because although Walter was most secretive about his past, along the way he did drop clues and one of these was that Agnes THOMPSON was his mother which until recently; was but a poser, but it's now revealed that this piece of information was correct.
Walter also claimed he was born Belfast, Ireland 1900-1914 with a mention of Scotland.
But; it's now been proven that he was born Scotland in 1907.

It's a pity that both Walter and my Mother are not around today to be confronted with the truth and then perhaps they may have revealed all and saved a heck of a lot of further researching for the truth?

I trust the above clears up all the misunderstanding?

Robert

Australia


Re: Melrose Australia

Morag Fowler
 

Young Janet was registered as Jessie Johnstone Melrose, born in Galashiels, Co of Selkirk. Can’t trace her death between 1945 and 1955, with any variant of Janet/Jessie.
Best wishes,
Morag

On 10 Oct 2021, at 13:31, Bob Elder via groups.io <relder@...> wrote:

I have rechecked my files I think both William & Janet died in Australia about 1947.

Sorry about that.

Bob

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Sent: 10 October 2021 12:51
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Melrose Australia

I have only found one of my ancestor travelled to Australia Melbourne 1920

William Melrose born 1881 Ladhope Scotland

Janet Scott Melrose nee Dobson born 1882 Ladhope

Janet Johnstone Melrose born 1907 Ladhope

Catherine Elder Melrose born 1910 Ladhope.

Janet I believe return home to Scotland & died about 1951.

Any help in anyway gratefully received.

Bob













Re: Melrose Australia

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Bob

William Melrose died 27 June 1947 in Geelong Victoria Australia.

Janet Scot Melrose Died 20 Nov 1926 Geelong Victoria Aust.

Catherine Elder Melrose died 24 Sep 1991 in Geelong Victoria. Married Richard Turnbull Kemp in 1938

Jessie Janet Johnstone Melrose 16 July 1954 Geelong Victoria married Roy Francis McKim 1944

They all arrived on the ship "Commonwealth" on 22 July 1920

Looks like William may have remarried to a Marjorie Irene Stringer b1898-1995

Hope this is the right family

Cheers
Josephine
Qld AUST.

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Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 9:51 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Melrose Australia

I have only found one of my ancestor travelled to Australia Melbourne 1920

William Melrose born 1881 Ladhope Scotland


Janet Scott Melrose nee Dobson born 1882 Ladhope

Janet Johnstone Melrose born 1907 Ladhope

Catherine Elder Melrose born 1910 Ladhope.

Janet I believe return home to Scotland & died about 1951.

Any help in anyway gratefully received.

Bob


Re: Melrose Australia

Bob Elder
 

I have rechecked my files I think both William & Janet died in Australia about 1947.

Sorry about that.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Elder via groups.io
Sent: 10 October 2021 12:51
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Melrose Australia

I have only found one of my ancestor travelled to Australia Melbourne 1920

William Melrose born 1881 Ladhope Scotland

Janet Scott Melrose nee Dobson born 1882 Ladhope

Janet Johnstone Melrose born 1907 Ladhope

Catherine Elder Melrose born 1910 Ladhope.

Janet I believe return home to Scotland & died about 1951.

Any help in anyway gratefully received.

Bob


Melrose Australia

Bob Elder
 

I have only found one of my ancestor travelled to Australia Melbourne 1920

William Melrose born 1881 Ladhope Scotland

Janet Scott Melrose nee Dobson born 1882 Ladhope

Janet Johnstone Melrose born 1907 Ladhope

Catherine Elder Melrose born 1910 Ladhope.

Janet I believe return home to Scotland & died about 1951.

Any help in anyway gratefully received.

Bob


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Anne Burgess
 

PS Walter John McKie, mother's maiden surname Thomson, died in Ayr in 1993, aged 80. There is no matching birth of a Walter John McKie.


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Anne Burgess
 
Edited

I'm afraid this whole thread has me totally confused. We seem to be flapping about looking at just about everything except the documents that will sort out the muddle.

I agree with Valorie. You need to make a timeline, and you need to look at original documents to pin down what happened when to whom.

The family in Kenora in 1921 includes William, 19, and Mary, 16, both born in Scotland, and five children born in Ontario: David, 12; Annie, 10; Gordon, 8; Catherine, 6; Allan, 5 months. FamilySearch has births of David Gordon McKie on 24 February 1909, Annie Kennedy McKie on 9 January 1911, and Alex Gordon McKie on 23 December 1912, parents William McKie and Agnes Gordon. Therefore the McKie family who emigrated in 1907 is the family of Agnes Gordon. That fits with the burial in Ontario, so the parents who emigrated in 1907 did not return to Scotland.

William McKie and Agnes Gordon were married in Maybole, Ayrshire, in 1900. You can get their marriage certificate at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for less than the cost of a cup of coffee. It will tell you the names of the couple's parents.

William McKie and Agnes Thomson were married in 1897 in Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbrightshire. Again, their marrage certificate will tell you the names of their parents. William McKie, widower of Agnes Thomson, died in Thornhill (Morton registration district) in 1952. His wife Agnes died in Irongray in 1949.

There is no birth of a Walter Thomson McKie in the Scottish birth indexes, no Walter McKie or similar born in Dumfries 1906-1908, and the only Walter McKie born in 1907 was Walter John McC... born in Inch, Wigtownshire. However there is a four-year-old Walter T McKie in the index to the 1911 census, in a household with Elizabeth, aged 3, and Robert, aged 2. I cannot access the page to see whose household they were in.

A Walter Thomson McKinnon was born in Ardrossan in 1892. There are 2 Walters with middle name Thomson born in 1907, neither in Dumfries.

Why do you think that Walter Thomson McKinnin was the son of William McKie and Agnes Thomson, by the way?


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

 

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 10:31 PM Robert N. G. KEMSLEY <robtricia@...> wrote:

                Good afternoon Marjorie;

 

                At the moment; I am up to my ears in research and more so that there seems to be two William McKIE marrying Agnes THOMSON & Agnes GORDON with the 1st remaining and dying in Scotland whilst the other emigrated to Canada where they died and I have to decide which is the line to follow as THOMSON got a mention within the family as did family emigrating to Canada?

 

                Regards;

 

                Robert

 

                Australia


When I've found two or three people with similar names, I've found that creating a very detailed timeline is the best tool for untangling them. 

To be the most useful, note the exact names/spellings in the record, and the precise dates, if possible. The more records found, of course, the more useful this is! 

I once found the same family in the same census year, in two different cities. However, by closely comparing the records, I could see that the enumeration was completed more than a month apart, and all the information for every member of the family was exactly the same. They had moved!

Valorie             

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Re: Hugh Stewart born Easdale 1846

Tricia
 



1891 in Pans Cambeltown   Young Robert with his Grandmother (widow)


Re: Bowmore residents

EMcNab
 

While of interest, voters lists are unlikely to help at that time as there were significant restrictions on those who could vote.  In the early days roperty ownership had an influence on whether one could vote but most property residents would have been tenants.  In addition, the head of household was frequently a woman.   See National Library of Scotland site -

“Modern electoral registers only record the names of those entitled to vote at a particular address. Before 1918, however, they also recorded the person's occupation and details of their property. Except in rare cases, women don't feature in voters' rolls before 1918, as only men were eligible to vote then.”

 

Eleanor

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Glynn Currie
Sent: 06 October 2021 20:48
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Bowmore residents

 

Possibly. I have not seen one.

Glynn

 

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From: tsinclair@...
Sent: October 6, 2021 9:47 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Bowmore residents

 

 

Glynn,

 

Would a voter's list have been available in the time frame you are

looking at?

Toni

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Hugh Stewart born Easdale 1846

Edie Mc
 

https://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-ancestors

 

You could enquire here Lola.

Edie McArthur

 

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From: lola.cook@...
Sent: Friday, 8 October 2021 5:21
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Hugh Stewart born Easdale 1846

 

Hi Tricia,

You’re a great help!  I am Robert McEwing’s daughter….there was a stillborn son 2 years before me.  However, I have 2 sons who would be Robert’s grandsons.  I can see of one of them would get the Ydna test.  What would this give us….a possible link to further Stewarts in Hugh’s line??  I’m still thinking I should pursue the Chelsea Pensioner link to try and see when the pension ended and therefore maybe his death….or if he ended up in a Chelsea Pensioner hospital…..but I need a researcher there in London to do that.  What do you think?

Lola



On Oct 7, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Tricia via groups.io <tricia.barnett@...> wrote:

 

Is there a male son or g'son  on Robert McEwing's (b to Hugh Stewart)  direct  line who could test the Ydna.  Ydna is passed only father to son so Robert would have Hugh's Y and Passed it down to any sons he had.       I know there are loads of Stewarts(also Stuart spelling)...   I have many Scottish  Stewarts and have lots of info.

   

 

 


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Re: Hugh Stewart born Easdale 1846

Tricia
 


Lola    ...your son's would NOT carry the Ydna from your father Robert  ....their Ydna would be COOK paternal... 
They could test normal dna and then there could be matches  if any in Hughs family had tested.    familytreedna.com  for Ydna  and dna ...  
I am going to explore further on Hughs siblings....   do you have any data. 
Chelsea Pensioner.   Can you tell me what definite info you have for Hugh.

Seymour Hi..  where do you link.


Re: Hugh Stewart born Easdale 1846

Tricia
 

Thanks Anne.    Yes there are so many STEWART/STUART.  
My Stewart line tested from a male Stewart line links back via paper tree and Ydna  to Stewart/Stuart  in Crathie and Braemar in Scotland  and records of earlier confirmed matches.     

RE Ydna  .... Ydna has helped many trace their lines and of course we know  it is only passed via the biological father.  This is where it may help LOLA with her Robert McEWING who was born as a Stewart and biological son of the Hugh Stewart.   Therefore his YDNA could be very interesting and help get us further back.  
plain dna if you have tested Lola may also help .  
Happy to help.  Cant contact me direct if you want.

Tricia


Re: Hugh Stewart born Easdale 1846

Anne Burgess
 

The Y-DNA test can trace only the direct male line, so it would not give you a link to other Stewarts.

Anne


Re: Hugh Stewart born Easdale 1846

Anne Burgess
 

Hugh is not all that common, actually.

Using the 'Quick Search' on SP there are 918,730 mentions of Hugh. This is a small proportion of the number of mentions of John (10,615,540), James (8,952,350), or Wiliam (7,922,645). Be glad that your quarry wasn't given one of those names :)

Anne

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