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Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Anne Burgess
 

You are very wise not to believe that tree. Never trust anything you find online unless it's an image of an original document, and especially do not trust trees submitted to Ancestry and similar commercial web sites. Use them as a basis for further research, checking the source of every detail.

And do not fall into the error of assuming that the only vaguely matching candidate in the surviving records must be the right one, because many people's baptisms were never recorded or, if they were, the record has not survived. Unfortunately too many people do make this error, and publish trees containing it, and other people come along and copy it into their own tree, and before you know it there are hundreds of trees with wrong information.

Bowden is a parish in the County of Roxburgh (aka Roxburghshire). I searched the indexes at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for baptisms ot T*m*s*n children in the parish of Bowden from 1745 to 1785. There are no recorded baptisms of children named Andrew, Euphemia or Robert, and none with father named Robert. I also searched FamilySearch and the IGI (separately) for a baptism of Thompsons, father Robert, anywhere in Scotland between 1760 and 1770, and again found no reference to Andrew, Euphemia or Robert in Bowden (which does not surprise me because as far as Scottish baptism and marriage records are concerned, FS/IGI is an index to the original records at Scotland's People). The marriage of Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliot in 1750 is on SP, recorded in both Bowden and Selkirk, which means that the couple lived in different parishes so the banns had to be called in both. None of the indexes records any children of Robert Thomson and Agnes Elliot. There are 14 recorded baptisms of Robert T*m*s*ns in Scotland in 1722, none in Bowden and none with father Samuel.

So the first thing you need to do is clarify exactly what the microfilm you found is. Is it a film of a family bible (reliable) or taken from someone else's tree (unreliable)? Or one of the tiny number of surviving church records (for example episcopalian) that are not on Scotland's People (reliable)?

As for the alleged second marriage to Agnes Elliot in the USA, the most likely explanation for that is that someone has misread 1750 as 1759, and assumed that it must have been in the USA*. The original church records are of the proclamations of Banns, which are consistent with a marriage on 5 February 1750 - viewing the original document may clarify this, although it's quite common for the parish register not to give the date of the actual wedding ceremony. (I think, though I could easily be mistaken, that church rules forbid a second marriage to the same spouse, but things might have been different in the USA, even before independence).

*Yes, I know that the USA as such did not exist until after the wars of independence, but it sticks in my craw to use the term 'America' when I don't actually mean the entire continent all the way from Cape Columbia to Tierra de Fuego, or even the entire continent of North America.

As for the rest of the tree referred to, the politest thing I can say is that it looks pretty unconvincing to me.

The supposed grandfather and great-grandfather look to have been well established in the USA long before the marriage of Robert to Agnes Elliot. I am willing to bet that the earlier generations of it refer to an entirely different family. Norfolk is not by any stretch of the most fevered imagination in Greater London, and George Thomasson (1592-1666, though his gravestone says he was born in 1602) could not possibly have married Katherine Hutton (1612-1646) in 1657, when she had already been dead for 13 years. And how could Samuel Thompson (1691-1753) have married in Virginia in 1717 if he 'arrived' in Virginia 32 years later, in 1749? And if he died in 1753, the same year as his third wife, how did he manage to have two more children with his fourth wife who were, moreover, born in a different state? And why does the tree say that Samuel was born in Blair Manor, Ayrshire when his parents were clearly in the USA long before he was born, and the information linked to his father's grave listing says Samuel was born in King and Queen County, Virginia? (Where in Ayrshire is "Blair Manor"? Does it even exist? Most of the references to it online come from various versions of this same tree, and some suggest it is in the parish of Dalry. There is a Blair **House** in the parish of Dalry, but it is the seat of a *Blair* family not a T*m*s*n* family. )

With so many silly, obvious and easily corrected errors in it, the tree referred to is obviously not just unconvincing, but very unreliable. In fact I'll stop being pointlessly polite and say that as far as the forebears of your Andrew Thompson are concerned, I think it's a load of rubbish and I would strongly recommend ignoring it altogether.

Anne


Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

ROBERT F. RIDER
 

 Thanks so much for your post. The first tree you show is my line.Andrews Father Robert I am fairly sure did not remarry Agnew Elliott in the U.S. as Andrew was born in Scotland in 1765 not America as one tree showed Robert remarrying Agnes in the U. S. If Robert came here it would be in the late 1700s. The other trees must be for a different Robert.I have not found a death or burial for Robert or Agnes in Scotland as of yet, hence my questions. I found Andrew and a sister Euphemia's baptism in Scotland on family search microfilm, both in Scotland.


Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Scott Thomson
 

Interesting. I have a fifth great-grandfather, Andrew Thompson, who probably came from Scotland and died in 1792; his wife was named Penelope. His son, also Andrew, was born in 1763-64 in Delaware and died in 1851 in Loudoun Co. Andrew II had a son Samuel, my great-great-great-grandfather; Samuel’s daughter, my great-great-grandmother, Mary Ellen, told a census enumerator that she, or perhaps her father, was Scots-Irish.

On Dec 13, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:

Hi Robert
 
There are about 220 Family Tree on Ancestry for this Family. I have taken some information from one family tree as it has DNA connection to Andrew Thompson born 1765 Bowden, Scot. 
 
Andrew Thompson born 1765 Bowden Roxburgh Scot and died 1 April 1810 Edgar, Illinois, US married on 20 July 1798in Maryland, US to  Elizabeth D Tuel / Tull  born1780 Maryland – died 1851 Washington City. They had 5 Children. Elizabeth had two more husbands no 2 James Honeywell & no 3 Morris Vail.
 
Andrew Farther
Robert Thompson born 10 Aug 1722 Bowden, Roxburgh shire, Scotland and Died 1 Sep 1779 Louisa, Virginia, US married 5 Feb 1750 Bowden Roxburgh and then again in the USA on 17 Feb 1759 in Augusta, Virginia, both times to Agnes Elliot born 11 June 1724 in Selkink Roxburgh Scotland, 
They had 8 children.   Elizabeth death is unknown but she had a second marriage to Robert Mickey born 1721
 
 
Andrew Grandfather
Samuel Thompson Jr  born 31 Dec 1691 Blair Manor Ayrshire and Died 28 Aug 1753 Fredericksville, Virginia US he married 1717 in Virginia to (no 1)  Hannah Glass born 1697 Sinnington Yorkshire England. And Died 1722 Fredericksville. They had 9 children    Samuel  arrived in 1749  Virginia, US
 
It would seem that Samuel married 4 times:-
 
No 2 Sarah Williams b1703 Rappahannock Virginia US D 1781 North Carolina
 
No 3 Temperance Yancey b1696 Louisa Virginia d1753 Louisa Virginia, married 1743  Later, Nottoway, Virginia US  1 child
 
No 4 Ester Davidson 1700 Scotland died 1771 Maryland US  2 children
 
 
Andrew great grandfather Note the name change.
 
Thomas Thomason Thomasson Sr,  born Feb 1646 Norfolk Greater London died May 1730 King William Co Virginia US marries 1669 in Virginia to Genia Reeves born 1648 Virginia and died 1720 in King William County Virginia. 1 child
 
 
Andrew 2nd  great grand father
George Thomasson born 1592 Cheshire England and died 10 April 1666 St Dunstans, London married Katherine Hutton born 1612 London and died 12 Dec 1646 London married in 1657 London . They had 11 children
 
 
The two web sites below has a lot of information on George & Thomas  family , wills ect,  It looks like a very interesting family. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hope this helps
Josephine
Qld Aust.
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2020 5:52 AM
To: scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.
 
 Seeking any information on Robert Thomson/Thompson, from the borders areas of Scotland. Two sons are known to have immigrated to America in the late 1700s.Two sons, Andrew( my ancestor) and Robert bought adjoining lots in Georgetown, D.C. in 1794. Andrew married Elizabeth Tuel. I am seeking information as to whether their Father Robert also immigrated or died in Scotland and his ancestors. Any help is most appreciated.



Re: Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Robert

 

There are about 220 Family Tree on Ancestry for this Family. I have taken some information from one family tree as it has DNA connection to Andrew Thompson born 1765 Bowden, Scot.

 

Andrew Thompson born 1765 Bowden Roxburgh Scot and died 1 April 1810 Edgar, Illinois, US married on 20 July 1798in Maryland, US to  Elizabeth D Tuel / Tull  born1780 Maryland – died 1851 Washington City. They had 5 Children. Elizabeth had two more husbands no 2 James Honeywell & no 3 Morris Vail.

 

Andrew Farther

Robert Thompson born 10 Aug 1722 Bowden, Roxburgh shire, Scotland and Died 1 Sep 1779 Louisa, Virginia, US married 5 Feb 1750 Bowden Roxburgh and then again in the USA on 17 Feb 1759 in Augusta, Virginia, both times to Agnes Elliot born 11 June 1724 in Selkink Roxburgh Scotland,

They had 8 children.   Elizabeth death is unknown but she had a second marriage to Robert Mickey born 1721

 

 

Andrew Grandfather

Samuel Thompson Jr  born 31 Dec 1691 Blair Manor Ayrshire and Died 28 Aug 1753 Fredericksville, Virginia US he married 1717 in Virginia to (no 1)  Hannah Glass born 1697 Sinnington Yorkshire England. And Died 1722 Fredericksville. They had 9 children    Samuel  arrived in 1749  Virginia, US

 

It would seem that Samuel married 4 times:-

 

No 2 Sarah Williams b1703 Rappahannock Virginia US D 1781 North Carolina

 

No 3 Temperance Yancey b1696 Louisa Virginia d1753 Louisa Virginia, married 1743  Later, Nottoway, Virginia US  1 child

 

No 4 Ester Davidson 1700 Scotland died 1771 Maryland US  2 children

 

 

Andrew great grandfather Note the name change.

 

Thomas Thomason Thomasson Sr,  born Feb 1646 Norfolk Greater London died May 1730 King William Co Virginia US marries 1669 in Virginia to Genia Reeves born 1648 Virginia and died 1720 in King William County Virginia. 1 child

 

 

Andrew 2nd  great grand father

George Thomasson born 1592 Cheshire England and died 10 April 1666 St Dunstans, London married Katherine Hutton born 1612 London and died 12 Dec 1646 London married in 1657 London . They had 11 children

 

 

The two web sites below has a lot of information on George & Thomas  family , wills ect,  It looks like a very interesting family.

 

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/105588951/george-thomason

 

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/105619342/thomas-thomason

 

 

Hope this helps

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of ROBERT F. RIDER
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2020 5:52 AM
To: scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

 

 Seeking any information on Robert Thomson/Thompson, from the borders areas of Scotland. Two sons are known to have immigrated to America in the late 1700s.Two sons, Andrew( my ancestor) and Robert bought adjoining lots in Georgetown, D.C. in 1794. Andrew married Elizabeth Tuel. I am seeking information as to whether their Father Robert also immigrated or died in Scotland and his ancestors. Any help is most appreciated.


Thomson/Thompson in the Borders of Scotland.

ROBERT F. RIDER
 

 Seeking any information on Robert Thomson/Thompson, from the borders areas of Scotland. Two sons are known to have immigrated to America in the late 1700s.Two sons, Andrew( my ancestor) and Robert bought adjoining lots in Georgetown, D.C. in 1794. Andrew married Elizabeth Tuel. I am seeking information as to whether their Father Robert also immigrated or died in Scotland and his ancestors. Any help is most appreciated.


Scots/Islay lists

tsinclair@...
 

Thanks Valorie and Diane.
I was "away" for a couple of years, and now find that I have a lot of catching up to do! It amazes me how quickly the technology changes.
Toni


I am not sure I am posting to the Borders Group or not so sorry if not.I am researching Thomsons/Thompsons in the Borders area of Bowden.Andrew Thomson was born there in1765 and immigrated to America in the late 1700s.He bought land in D.C. in I think...

ROBERT F. RIDER
 


Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

 

Hi Diane -- the Islay group is a "subgroup" of this one. If you login to the main site at https://scotland-genealogy.groups.io/g/Scots you can see all the subgroups on the menu on the left. Everyone in a subgroup is also a member of the main group, but the opposite is not true. 

If you write to Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io it will go only to members of Islay. 

If you write to Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io it goes to all of us.

All the best,

Valorie


On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 6:37 PM <tsinclair@...> wrote:
Hi Diane,
It's nice to hear from you!  I did try to re-join the new Islay list, but it didn't work, and I suddenly started getting these messages.  I'd like to be on both now.  Do you know what went wrong?
Toni  

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Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

tsinclair@...
 

Hi Diane,
It's nice to hear from you!  I did try to re-join the new Islay list, but it didn't work, and I suddenly started getting these messages.  I'd like to be on both now.  Do you know what went wrong?
Toni  
 
 
On Saturday 12/12/2020 at 5:37 pm, M. Diane Rogers wrote:


Re: Elder DNA

Edie Mc
 

Hi Bob,

It can be disappointing after paying out so much money to have your DNA tested only to find you are not who you thought you were.  I have this experience twice now.  At 70, I paid for my brothers  DNA. Did the Y67 marker and found heaps of names too many,   but not the PLACE surname I was after. Left it for a few years then did my own with ancestry and got this large cm match but not with PLACE  but with BARTON (they go back to Scotland and Ireland) Colonel William Robert BARTON and also a match with his wife Ann BOGUES (Ireland) I was looking for a great grandfather, my match was a match with a gt gt grandfather W R BARTON. My Gt GF  was one of their seven sons, not sure which one but at least I had found a common ancestors, albeit if a different name.  Also I had my daughters DNA tested on ancestry for her fathers line, then had his tested on Family Tree DNA no sign of the MCARTHUR name.  Like you several other Clan surnames, updated to Y111 just nine men with four names the main one McDonald/MacDonald along with one  McKay, Carmichael, Campbell, McNeil.  Most were from the Caithness, Scotland region. Having also done a Ancestry.com. Test for my former husband noted thirteen McDonalds 6 of whom ancestry say his DNA showed he was related.  I did write to them all but no reply, but the fact it is clear he  doesn’t to date. have McARTHUR DNA.  But, on Family Tree DNA it is a 8 step match which is only a possible relationship, so we need a 7 step for a definite relationship.  The closest relationship match on FTDNA is 0 steps, whereas on ancestry it is the other way round. On Ancestry.com we had as low as 7cm and still be a firm match. I have good  trees up on both Family Tree DNA and Acestry.com. The surnames are especially needed when you or your match sees unfamiliar surnames. We have many in the form of spouses names that can come up and the name indexes created by your trees  will assist in matching these unfamiliar names to yours, or their tres when making a search in the matches trees.

 

My second son then had a My Heritage, a Big Y (that gives you the 12,25, 37, 67 and the Big Y, but expensive and doesn’t define the Y111 DNA marker any further. The Big Y is for the experts, which most of us are not, many are I am sure and may understand it.

 

I had my oldest sons Y67 and updated to Y111 as well  and joined them  up to Arthur Project, Scottish Project, Vikings, Australian Settlers, Australian Citizens, Scandanavian and Germanic Projects. Apart form the Arthur project, they only match each other at 0 steps. While FamilytreeDNA are the largest of the companies that do YDNA, they are still very small databases and we need other men t o do the All male YDNA with familytreedna. At least it is a lot clearer if you have one of those oops or for whatever other reason the name is not what you expected, then is is more evident on familytredna than ancestry.com.  You need both to compliment each other.  Maybe you could do an ancestryocm test too Bob and you will maybe get a Large CM count you were not expecting like me. Then go bck to your match on Familytreedna as they may be on there but meant nothing to you when you first saw them. Upgrade to Y111 and the surnames will be reduced and you get a better picture.

 

Best Wishes

Edie McArthur

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bob Elder via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2020 20:55
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Elder DNA

 

I had my DNA 67 markers carried out a few years ago with Family Tree DNA group. The only hits I got were McCleland clan, &  few of others but none of the Elder family the family I’m after. Will it be worth trying again or will I be throwing good money after bad?

Bob

 

 

 


--
EdieMc


Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

 

Thank you! Those two researchers might be a big help to me. I so appreciate it.

The MacQuarry in Australia that is famous is Lachlan MacQuarry and he is actually called the father of Australia. He was the governor of New South Wales and helped establish many townships and a lot of the roadways and city/town layout/infrastructures. I don’t remember him being kidnapped and taken there, but I could’ve missed that part of his story. I just thought he was assigned the post of governor win great Britain took control of Australia. Either way, I have found no links to him yet, but we shall see! Happening upon interesting stories and famous relatives would be fun.

Again, thank you so much for your response and for sending me those two contacts. I look forward to reaching out to them.


On Dec 12, 2020, at 4:11 PM, tsinclair@... wrote:

Hi there,
I'm new to this particular list, but was on an Islay list for many years.  Together, members put together a lot of Islay information, including one page with Surnames and corresponding researchers.  Here are a couple of other researchers you might be able to contact:
McQUARRIE     Pat McCabe mccabe@...
McQUARY Leorin? New York, 1739 Gerry Lindsay lindsay@...

I was in Australia some years ago, and I remember reading about a MacQuarrie who became very famous there.  But oddly, there was a similar story about him being kidnapped and taken there.  You could also google "Clan MacQuarrie" and find all sorts of interesting links there.
For those of you with other Islay interests, just google "Rootsweb + Islay", and you'll find a gold mine of information by clicking on various links.  Good luck,
Toni Sinclair, Canada  (tracing all Islay Sinclairs)


Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

Lorraine Wootton
 

I think you may be referring to Major General Lachlan Macquarie, who was Governor of New South Wales from 1810 – 1822.
At that time the whole settled areas of Australia including the island of Van Diemen’s Land (now Tasmania) was known as NSW, and there was a Lieut Governor in VDL.
 
Scottish born Lachlan Macquarie is known as the ‘Father of Australia’ and these links will tell you much more about the man credited with transforming fledgling colony.
He is buried on the Isle of Mull and his tombstone includes the inscription ‘Father of Australia’.
 
Enjoy....Lorraine
 
 
 
 

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] How many people on this list are r1b1c7
 
Hi there,
I'm new to this particular list, but was on an Islay list for many years.  Together, members put together a lot of Islay information, including one page with Surnames and corresponding researchers.  Here are a couple of other researchers you might be able to contact:
McQUARRIE     Pat McCabe mccabe@...
McQUARY Leorin? New York, 1739 Gerry Lindsay lindsay@...

I was in Australia some years ago, and I remember reading about a MacQuarrie who became very famous there.  But oddly, there was a similar story about him being kidnapped and taken there.  You could also google "Clan MacQuarrie" and find all sorts of interesting links there.
For those of you with other Islay interests, just google "Rootsweb + Islay", and you'll find a gold mine of information by clicking on various links.  Good luck,
Toni Sinclair, Canada  (tracing all Islay Sinclairs)

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Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

 

He served in the American Revolution, but none of the records have found through fold three or daughters of the American Revolution show parents names. North Carolina didn’t start issuing death certificates until the early 1900s. He passed in 1829.

Yes, his first wife was Rachel and he had six kids with her. Then he left New Jersey and moved to North Carolina and remarried, having 4 more children, which is where my family line comes into play. We don’t know why he left his wife in New Jersey.


On Dec 12, 2020, at 3:36 PM, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@...> wrote:

Ok, well it is good that I seem to be on the right track. Have you been in contact with the person that owned that Tree. So, I am guessing any military or marriage/death records have his parents named. I did see that his first wife was a Rachel. You must have seen the picture then of all those fellow at his gravesite and that a 4th GG had written a note also?
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On Dec 12, 2020, at 1:03 AM, Ashlee McCoury White <ashlee_white05@...> wrote:

Aww, thank you. I have an Ancestry subscription. Just can’t get more info on parents or anyone beyond my 6th great grandfather. His name was Malcolm McCourry, 1742-1829. We know all about him as far as his kidnapping, settling in NJ, and eventually moving to NC. We just know nothing of his parents. Some show that his last name was a variation of MacQuarie before he came to NY. So all we know of his dad is that last name, the possible first name of John, 1720-1742, Argyll, Islay. All we know of his mom is a possible first name of Rachel. But even with that info, we can’t get any further. You’re welcome to dig around if you want. I welcome the help!

• Ashlee White •

On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:



Hi Ashlee

 

Send the names & date of the people you’re looking for and I will have a look on Ancestry to see if there is anything

 

Cheers

Josephine

Aust.

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashlee McCoury White
Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2020 8:20 AM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] How many people on this list are r1b1c7

 

I haven’t had my DNA tested (for genealogy, anyway - I did have genetic testing due to a breast cancer diagnosis 6 years ago). So I’m afraid I can’t help. However, my dad and I are having difficulty getting info on my 6th grandfather born in Islay and I wondered if you had any tips on research in that specific area outside of Scotland’s People and church records. He was kidnapped at 9 years old on an Islay beach and came to the US through NY 10 years later (1761). There are no birth records we can find, so we don’t know his parents’ names. Only that his dad was a MacQuarrie/MacQueaghrie that died in Scotland in 1746 at the age of 26. No first name known, no wife known. :( Any info on researching for Islay would be helpful!

• Ashlee White •



On Dec 11, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Embleton House <ehouse@...> wrote:



I know next to nothing about genetics other then I was a parent of a child with Cystic Fibrosis. Unfortunately she died many years ago at 7 years of age.

 

I have had my DNA tested and of course I am a carrier of CF as as is my husband of CF, my other children are also carriers of CF.

 

 I know I am 60 % Scottish ( My dad was born in Islay. I know I am 20% Irish. My Great grandmother was born in Port Rush Ireland and her name was Elizabeth Rush. The other portions is European.

 

What I don t know is how this all works together. Any one have some educational materials they can recommend?

 

Faith

 

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Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

M. Diane Rogers
 

There is an Islay Genealogy list still. To join - https://scotland-genealogy.groups.io/g/Islay

The Islay Genealogy website is here: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm 

Diane 
M Diane Rogers
Carmichael, Gilchrist - Islay
Nimmo, Pollock, Scott - Borders, Glasgow


From: tsinclair@...
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:59:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] How many people on this list are r1b1c7

Hi there,
I'm new to this particular list, but was on an Islay list for many years.  Together, members put together a lot of Islay information, including one page with Surnames and corresponding researchers.  Here are a couple of other researchers you might be able to contact:
McQUARRIE  Pat McCabemccabe@...
McQUARYLeorin?New York, 1739Gerry Lindsaylindsay@...

I was in Australia some years ago, and I remember reading about a MacQuarrie who became very famous there.  But oddly, there was a similar story about him being kidnapped and taken there.  You could also google "Clan MacQuarrie" and find all sorts of interesting links there.
For those of you with other Islay interests, just google "Rootsweb + Islay", and you'll find a gold mine of information by clicking on various links.  Good luck,
Toni Sinclair, Canada  (tracing all Islay Sinclairs)


Re: Elder DNA

 

Hi Bob,

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 1:56 AM Bob Elder via groups.io <relder=tiscali.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I had my DNA 67 markers carried out a few years ago with Family Tree DNA group. The only hits I got were McCleland clan, &  few of others but none of the Elder family the family I’m after. Will it be worth trying again or will I be throwing good money after bad?

Bob


What exactly do you mean by "trying again"? The most important thing you can do with Y dna results is to join a project or two, and share your data with the group admins. Since Y dna is very slow to change, it can reach far into the past, before surnames. if you have very few Elder men test, you will have very few matches. 

So this is my advice, based on experience and the advice of others:

1. Join a haplogroup DNA project at FTdna. Contact the admins and ask if they have the access they need to make use of your data, and ask for their help to make the changes they suggest. After they finish putting your listing in the group database, ask them for advice. Should you upgrade? Or is it better to find and recruit more men to test? 

2. After looking at your results in the haplogroup project, consider joining a surname project as well. Even small surname projects can be useful. Both my Cowan and McBee memberships have been very fruitful. These were my dad's and uncle's tests. If I had unlimited time and money, I would find men for other Y DNA tests I'm curious about too!

3. If the project admins suggest upgrading your test to Big Y, go for it. I think in future this will be the gold standard for Y testing. It's coming down in price; wait until there's an upgrade sale. Your project leader can get you even more of a discount sometimes. Big Y gets you all the information possible from that tiny little Y chromosome.

4. Keep doing your research! This is how you will find other male-line men you can ask to test. Both Y and mitochondrial testing can prove (or disprove) genealogical questions far into the past, but the research must be meticulous. 

If your questions are not far into the past, spend your energy on autosomal testing instead. Once you have flogged your Ancestry DNA matches and their matches, then upload elsewhere and do the same. Remember to put all those matches into your tree! That is how you will make the breakthroughs in the past two centuries. 

Y and mt can take you further, but only on the matri-patrilineal lines. Autosomal gets all your lines, but only back a few hundred years. 

Valorie

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Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

tsinclair@...
 

Hi there,
I'm new to this particular list, but was on an Islay list for many years.  Together, members put together a lot of Islay information, including one page with Surnames and corresponding researchers.  Here are a couple of other researchers you might be able to contact:
McQUARRIE     Pat McCabe mccabe@...
McQUARY Leorin? New York, 1739 Gerry Lindsay lindsay@...

I was in Australia some years ago, and I remember reading about a MacQuarrie who became very famous there.  But oddly, there was a similar story about him being kidnapped and taken there.  You could also google "Clan MacQuarrie" and find all sorts of interesting links there.
For those of you with other Islay interests, just google "Rootsweb + Islay", and you'll find a gold mine of information by clicking on various links.  Good luck,
Toni Sinclair, Canada  (tracing all Islay Sinclairs)


Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

LorneandJudy
 

Ok, well it is good that I seem to be on the right track. Have you been in contact with the person that owned that Tree. So, I am guessing any military or marriage/death records have his parents named. I did see that his first wife was a Rachel. You must have seen the picture then of all those fellow at his gravesite and that a 4th GG had written a note also?



On Dec 12, 2020, at 1:03 AM, Ashlee McCoury White <ashlee_white05@...> wrote:

Aww, thank you. I have an Ancestry subscription. Just can’t get more info on parents or anyone beyond my 6th great grandfather. His name was Malcolm McCourry, 1742-1829. We know all about him as far as his kidnapping, settling in NJ, and eventually moving to NC. We just know nothing of his parents. Some show that his last name was a variation of MacQuarie before he came to NY. So all we know of his dad is that last name, the possible first name of John, 1720-1742, Argyll, Islay. All we know of his mom is a possible first name of Rachel. But even with that info, we can’t get any further. You’re welcome to dig around if you want. I welcome the help!

• Ashlee White •

On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:



Hi Ashlee

 

Send the names & date of the people you’re looking for and I will have a look on Ancestry to see if there is anything

 

Cheers

Josephine

Aust.

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashlee McCoury White
Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2020 8:20 AM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] How many people on this list are r1b1c7

 

I haven’t had my DNA tested (for genealogy, anyway - I did have genetic testing due to a breast cancer diagnosis 6 years ago). So I’m afraid I can’t help. However, my dad and I are having difficulty getting info on my 6th grandfather born in Islay and I wondered if you had any tips on research in that specific area outside of Scotland’s People and church records. He was kidnapped at 9 years old on an Islay beach and came to the US through NY 10 years later (1761). There are no birth records we can find, so we don’t know his parents’ names. Only that his dad was a MacQuarrie/MacQueaghrie that died in Scotland in 1746 at the age of 26. No first name known, no wife known. :( Any info on researching for Islay would be helpful!

• Ashlee White •



On Dec 11, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Embleton House <ehouse@...> wrote:



I know next to nothing about genetics other then I was a parent of a child with Cystic Fibrosis. Unfortunately she died many years ago at 7 years of age.

 

I have had my DNA tested and of course I am a carrier of CF as as is my husband of CF, my other children are also carriers of CF.

 

 I know I am 60 % Scottish ( My dad was born in Islay. I know I am 20% Irish. My Great grandmother was born in Port Rush Ireland and her name was Elizabeth Rush. The other portions is European.

 

What I don t know is how this all works together. Any one have some educational materials they can recommend?

 

Faith

 

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Re: McQueenzey

Mary McCarthy HOME
 

Hi Howard

Trying to reply just to you as this is Ayrshire not Islay, but not sure if I’ve done it right! 

I have an ancestor (6th great grandmother) with name either Christine or Cathrine McQueensy/McQueenzie who married James Clerk & had children in New Cumnock, Ayrshire. I haven’t found a baptism for her – and don’t know if she was born in Ayrshire.  I had wondered if the name might be a variation on McKenzie, so I was interested in your suggestion it could be McWhinnie, so thank you for that!

 

Best wishes,

 

Mary McCarthy

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashlee McCoury White
Sent: 12 December 2020 17:22
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] How many people on this list are r1b1c7

 

Thank you! This is helpful. 



On Dec 12, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Howard <hw_03-lst-mor@...> wrote:

Ashlee,

Re MacQuarrie/MacQueaghrie, my line goes back to McQuarrie but in Ayrshire, not Islay (despite years of trying!). But there are variations you might like to look out for.

- McWharrie is the main predecessor of my McQuarrie line - the transformation from McWharrie to McQuarrie can be seen in the same people over their lifetimes. My earliest ancestor is John McWharrie then McQuarrie & Kathrine Campbell who were in New Cumnock, Ayshire abt 1767 on. A variation on the variation is Wharrie.

- McQueenzey (I assume pronounced mac-queeny, silent 'z'), which is close to McQuhenzie which itself is a variation of McWhinnie. This baptismal record might simply be a clerical error because McWhinnie was a lot more common in the parish than McWharrie, but there it is in 1775 in the OPR so cannot just be ignored.

Of course, my McQuarries might have been McWharries in the first place who came from somewhere else. But appearing in Ayrshire with a Campbell wife, and with recurring forenames of Flora and Colin and Lachlan, does rather indicate McQuarrie Islay / Ulva origins.


Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

 

Thank you! This is helpful. 


On Dec 12, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Howard <hw_03-lst-mor@...> wrote:

Ashlee,

Re MacQuarrie/MacQueaghrie
, my line goes back to McQuarrie but in Ayrshire, not Islay (despite years of trying!). But there are variations you might like to look out for.

- McWharrie is the main predecessor of my McQuarrie line - the transformation from McWharrie to McQuarrie can be seen in the same people over their lifetimes. My earliest ancestor is John McWharrie then McQuarrie & Kathrine Campbell who were in New Cumnock, Ayshire abt 1767 on. A variation on the variation is Wharrie.

- McQueenzey (I assume pronounced mac-queeny, silent 'z'), which is close to McQuhenzie which itself is a variation of McWhinnie. This baptismal record might simply be a clerical error because McWhinnie was a lot more common in the parish than McWharrie, but there it is in 1775 in the OPR so cannot just be ignored.

Of course, my McQuarries might have been McWharries in the first place who came from somewhere else. But appearing in Ayrshire with a Campbell wife, and with recurring forenames of Flora and Colin and Lachlan, does rather indicate McQuarrie Islay / Ulva origins.


Re: How many people on this list are r1b1c7

Howard
 

Ashlee,

Re MacQuarrie/MacQueaghrie
, my line goes back to McQuarrie but in Ayrshire, not Islay (despite years of trying!). But there are variations you might like to look out for.

- McWharrie is the main predecessor of my McQuarrie line - the transformation from McWharrie to McQuarrie can be seen in the same people over their lifetimes. My earliest ancestor is John McWharrie then McQuarrie & Kathrine Campbell who were in New Cumnock, Ayshire abt 1767 on. A variation on the variation is Wharrie.

- McQueenzey (I assume pronounced mac-queeny, silent 'z'), which is close to McQuhenzie which itself is a variation of McWhinnie. This baptismal record might simply be a clerical error because McWhinnie was a lot more common in the parish than McWharrie, but there it is in 1775 in the OPR so cannot just be ignored.

Of course, my McQuarries might have been McWharries in the first place who came from somewhere else. But appearing in Ayrshire with a Campbell wife, and with recurring forenames of Flora and Colin and Lachlan, does rather indicate McQuarrie Islay / Ulva origins.

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