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Re: Searching for John McLeod

Claude Hanson
 

Is it possible to find the birth/christening record for Don'd (Donald) Ross on 21 Aug 1804 in Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty.  Since I believe he was born a few months before his named parents, I want to see if it says he is illegitimate.

How would I find the Dyke (Morayshire) Kirk Session minutes.

I spent a few hours (not minutes) trying to find Janet Ross, whose birth and and baptism are recorded in 1810 in Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Chromarty... listed anywhere

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:17 PM Claude Hanson via groups.io <claudehanson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm trying to put this complete family together just in case it is the family my John McLeod is from....and, of course, I won't really know until I can get information from the hospital that would validate that John was born in Dyke and it would be  great if it also reveals he is from Alves!  So I can't put any of this into my McLeod tree now and perhaps never!

John Ross, 31 May 1775 at Kilmuir-Easter, Ross & Cromarty - son of Donald Ross and Anne Frasier
                                 married 2 Feb 1805 at Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty
Christian Munro, 20 Feb 1777, in Edinkillie, Morayshire - to John Munro and Isobel Russell
                                                                  Their Children
1.  Don'd (Donald?) 21 Aug 1804, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty (entry lists parents John Ross and Christy Munro -- FHL #990585
2.  Margaret, 1808, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty - married William Mitchell - died in 1880
3.  Catherine, 1809, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty - married George Bannerman - died 1882 (age on death record 67, age on 1861 census 46) ?
4.  Janet, 1810, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty -
5.  Kathryn, 1812, Nigg Associate, Easter-Ross
6.  Isobel, 1812, Nigg Associate Easter-Ross
7.  Christina, 1813, Nigg, Ross and Cromarty - died 9 April 1861 in Forres
8.  Rebecca, 1826, Nairn, Nairnshire, - married David Winchester 13 June 1862 - died 2 May 1864 in Forres








Re: Searching for John McLeod

Claude Hanson
 

I'm trying to put this complete family together just in case it is the family my John McLeod is from....and, of course, I won't really know until I can get information from the hospital that would validate that John was born in Dyke and it would be  great if it also reveals he is from Alves!  So I can't put any of this into my McLeod tree now and perhaps never!

John Ross, 31 May 1775 at Kilmuir-Easter, Ross & Cromarty - son of Donald Ross and Anne Frasier
                                 married 2 Feb 1805 at Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty
Christian Munro, 20 Feb 1777, in Edinkillie, Morayshire - to John Munro and Isobel Russell
                                                                  Their Children
1.  Don'd (Donald?) 21 Aug 1804, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty (entry lists parents John Ross and Christy Munro -- FHL #990585
2.  Margaret, 1808, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty - married William Mitchell - died in 1880
3.  Catherine, 1809, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty - married George Bannerman - died 1882 (age on death record 67, age on 1861 census 46) ?
4.  Janet, 1810, Kilmuir-Easter, Ross and Cromarty -
5.  Kathryn, 1812, Nigg Associate, Easter-Ross
6.  Isobel, 1812, Nigg Associate Easter-Ross
7.  Christina, 1813, Nigg, Ross and Cromarty - died 9 April 1861 in Forres
8.  Rebecca, 1826, Nairn, Nairnshire, - married David Winchester 13 June 1862 - died 2 May 1864 in Forres








Re: McQueen / McLean Fernley near Carbost Skye

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Sue

 

This information is from Ancestry and might not be accurate. So please verify. I will answer in red

 

 

 

Hope this helps

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sue Wood
Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2020 1:29 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] McQueen / McLean Fernley near Carbost Skye

 

Can anyone help me with my McQueen Family from Fernley near Carbost Skye.

Kenneth McQueen and Mary Mclean are on the 1841 Scottish census with three children and I have found the christenings of others.

 

I know about Mary and Euphemia and as far as I know, Malcolm never married and didn't have any descendants. He died in Inverness in 1905 and is on all the census records bar 1901.

It is possible that Christy married Malcolm Stewart. Any information would be appreciated.

 

 

1-Kenneth MACQUEEN b. Abt 1770, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland Possible death 1851

+ Mary MACLEAN b. Abt 1781, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

 

2-Catherine MACQUEEN b. Abt 1813, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland Baptism 14 Jane 1813

 

2-(Effy) Euphemia McQUEEN b. 1814, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. Jun 1904, Digby Victoria Australia

+ James GRANT b. Aug 1821, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. 1898, Digby Victoria Australia

Children Donald 1848-1899, Ann 1852, Mary 1853-1925, Margaret 1854-1933, Duncan 18555-1933

 

2-Donald McQUEEN b. 1819, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland  Born 17 July 1919

 

2-Christy McQUEEN b. 1821, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

+ Malcolm STEWART ???  Not confirmed.

 Possible marriage 27 Feb 1840.

1 child Alexander born 1 Dec 1840 Portee, Inverness

 

2-Mary McQUEEN b. Abt 1827, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 22 Jun 1893, Merino Victoria Australia

+ Thomas MILLER b. 27 Sep 1819, Bunkle & Preston Berwick Scotland

+Possible second marriage to Malcolm McPhee 1819-1855. 4 children  and Arrived 16 June 1855 on the ship “Switzerland.

 

2-Malcolm McQUEEN b. Abt 1823, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 23rd Aug 1905, Inverness, Inverness Scotland.

 

 

Sue Wood   Geelong Victoria Australia.


Re: McQueen / McLean Fernley near Carbost Skye

Eliz Cook
 

Any idea on death of Farquhar MacLeay spouse of  Ann McIver/Campbell , about 1836, in Urray, Ross.

Eliz

On 11 Jul 2020, at 3:25 pm, Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:



Hi Sue.

 

I have to say this information is from Ancestry and might not be accurate. So please verify.

 

 

 

This is a marriage Index . Not sure if it the one you’re looking for.

 

Name:

Malcolm Stewart

Gender:

Male

Marriage Date:

27 Feb 1840

Marriage Place:

Portree, Inverness, Scotland

Spouse:

Christy Mcqueen

FHL Film Number:

990671

 

 

 

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sue Wood
Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2020 1:29 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] McQueen / McLean Fernley near Carbost Skye

 

Can anyone help me with my McQueen Family from Fernley near Carbost Skye.

Kenneth McQueen and Mary Mclean are on the 1841 Scottish census with three children and I have found the christenings of others.

 

I know about Mary and Euphemia and as far as I know, Malcolm never married and didn't have any descendants. He died in Inverness in 1905 and is on all the census records bar 1901.

It is possible that Christy married Malcolm Stewart. Any information would be appreciated.

 

 

1-Kenneth MACQUEEN b. Abt 1770, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

+ Mary MACLEAN b. Abt 1781, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

 

2-Catherine MACQUEEN b. Abt 1813, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

 

2-(Effy) Euphemia McQUEEN b. 1814, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. Jun 1904, Digby Victoria Australia

+ James GRANT b. Aug 1821, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. 1898, Digby Victoria Australia

 

2-Donald McQUEEN b. 1819, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

 

2-Christy McQUEEN b. 1821, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

+ Malcolm STEWART ???  Not confirmed.

 

2-Mary McQUEEN b. Abt 1827, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 22 Jun 1893, Merino Victoria Australia

+ Thomas MILLER b. 27 Sep 1819, Bunkle & Preston Berwick Scotland

 

2-Malcolm McQUEEN b. Abt 1823, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 23rd Aug 1905, Inverness, Inverness Scotland.

 

 

Sue Wood   Geelong Victoria Australia.


Re: McQueen / McLean Fernley near Carbost Skye

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Sue.

 

I have to say this information is from Ancestry and might not be accurate. So please verify.

 

 

 

This is a marriage Index . Not sure if it the one you’re looking for.

 

Name:

Malcolm Stewart

Gender:

Male

Marriage Date:

27 Feb 1840

Marriage Place:

Portree, Inverness, Scotland

Spouse:

Christy Mcqueen

FHL Film Number:

990671

 

 

 

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sue Wood
Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2020 1:29 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] McQueen / McLean Fernley near Carbost Skye

 

Can anyone help me with my McQueen Family from Fernley near Carbost Skye.

Kenneth McQueen and Mary Mclean are on the 1841 Scottish census with three children and I have found the christenings of others.

 

I know about Mary and Euphemia and as far as I know, Malcolm never married and didn't have any descendants. He died in Inverness in 1905 and is on all the census records bar 1901.

It is possible that Christy married Malcolm Stewart. Any information would be appreciated.

 

 

1-Kenneth MACQUEEN b. Abt 1770, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

+ Mary MACLEAN b. Abt 1781, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

 

2-Catherine MACQUEEN b. Abt 1813, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

 

2-(Effy) Euphemia McQUEEN b. 1814, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. Jun 1904, Digby Victoria Australia

+ James GRANT b. Aug 1821, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. 1898, Digby Victoria Australia

 

2-Donald McQUEEN b. 1819, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

 

2-Christy McQUEEN b. 1821, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

+ Malcolm STEWART ???  Not confirmed.

 

2-Mary McQUEEN b. Abt 1827, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 22 Jun 1893, Merino Victoria Australia

+ Thomas MILLER b. 27 Sep 1819, Bunkle & Preston Berwick Scotland

 

2-Malcolm McQUEEN b. Abt 1823, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 23rd Aug 1905, Inverness, Inverness Scotland.

 

 

Sue Wood   Geelong Victoria Australia.


McQueen / McLean Fernley near Carbost Skye

Sue Wood
 

Can anyone help me with my McQueen Family from Fernley near Carbost Skye.

Kenneth McQueen and Mary Mclean are on the 1841 Scottish census with three children and I have found the christenings of others.

 

I know about Mary and Euphemia and as far as I know, Malcolm never married and didn't have any descendants. He died in Inverness in 1905 and is on all the census records bar 1901.

It is possible that Christy married Malcolm Stewart. Any information would be appreciated.

 

 

1-Kenneth MACQUEEN b. Abt 1770, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

+ Mary MACLEAN b. Abt 1781, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

 

2-Catherine MACQUEEN b. Abt 1813, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland

 

2-(Effy) Euphemia McQUEEN b. 1814, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. Jun 1904, Digby Victoria Australia

+ James GRANT b. Aug 1821, Bracadale Skye Inverness Scotland, d. 1898, Digby Victoria Australia

 

2-Donald McQUEEN b. 1819, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

 

2-Christy McQUEEN b. 1821, Bracadale Sky Inverness Scotland

+ Malcolm STEWART ???  Not confirmed.

 

2-Mary McQUEEN b. Abt 1827, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 22 Jun 1893, Merino Victoria Australia

+ Thomas MILLER b. 27 Sep 1819, Bunkle & Preston Berwick Scotland

 

2-Malcolm McQUEEN b. Abt 1823, Talisker Skye Scotland, d. 23rd Aug 1905, Inverness, Inverness Scotland.

 

 

Sue Wood   Geelong Victoria Australia.


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Anne Burgess
 

Yes, sorry, I mistyped Munro for Ross.

If David Winchester could get his mother-in-law's name wrong, then so could William Mitchell. There wouldn't be a sexton - the Church of Scotland doesn't use the term sexton.

William Mitchell and Margaret Ross had Jean 1833, Jane 1826, William 1828, John 1831, Ann 1833, Margaret 1835, Mary 1838, Christina 1839, William 1840, Jessie 1843; Donald 1847. There may well have been others whose baptisms are missing.

In the 1841 census, at Broom of Moy, are William Mitchell, 30; Margaret, 30; John, 8; Ann, 6; Margaret, 4; May, 2; William, 9 months.
In the 1851 census, at Village of Broom (which is Broom of Moy, parish of Dyke) are William Mitchell, 47; wife Margaret, 47; Mary, 15; William, 9; Janet, 7; Donald, 3. Margaret was born in Nigg R&C, the rest in Dyke.
In the 1861 census at Village of Broom are William Mitchell, 55, born Forres and wife Margaret Ross, 54, born Nigg.

It looks as if Jean, Jane, the first William and Christina must all have died young.

Margaret Mitchell, other surname Ross, died in Dyke in 1880 aged 76. Her death was registered by George Bannerman, nephew, who gave her mother's name as Margaret, surname unknown. Father's name John is a match. Her age in 1841 is a match for Margaret Ross, born 1808 but it's adrift in the other records.

George Bannerman, son of George Bannerman and Catherine Ross, was born on 24 November 1849 in Dyke. In the 1861 census at Kintessack, parish of Dyke, are Catherine Bannerman, widow, 46, born *Nairn*, with Elspet, 20; Jessie, 15; Catherine, 13 and George, 11. Catherine Bannerman, other surname Ross, died in Dyke in 1882 aged 67. Her parents were John Ross and **Christina Munro**. The informant was George Bannerman, son.

I am now wondering why George, who in 1882 knew that his grandmother was Christina Munro, apparently did not think in 1880 that his aunt Margaret's mother was Christina Munro. Could Margaret have been a daughter of John Ross by an earlier marriage? Her age in the 1851 and 1861 census, and on her death certificate, would support this. On the other hand, if she was Christian Munro's stepdaughter, why would Christian's own daughter have been named Margaret in 1808?

Genalogy's like that. One answer raises at least two new questions :)


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Anne Burgess
 

Yes, I am using a Windows 10 PC, and no, it will not run the 1881 UK census CD-ROMs, or indeed the similar Canada and US census ones. And I have been unable to get W10 to run PAF.

However I have a friend who is 'into' computing and he set up a Virtual Windows XP on my W10. What this means is that when I want to run a program that is too obsolete for W10 I boot up the XP software in a sort of separate compartment in the PC and then it all runs quite happily. It's called a VMware Workstation 12 Player, but I have absolutely no idea how to set it up.

Anne


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Claude Hanson
 

I just found a William Mitchell b. 1797 in Dyke married on 16 June 1822  Margaret Ross who was b. in 1801 and they had 12 childen, I found this on Family Search.

This morning I found on Anc.com a Don'd Ross b. 21 Aug 1804, and bapt. 22 Aug 1804 in Kilmur-Easter, Ross & Chromarty to a John Ross and Christy Monro.  FHL #990585

What do you think?
Claude


Re: 1881 census on Window 10

Howard
 

Allan,

To access the CDs, I use Oracle VM VirtualBox (free to download) inside which I installed Windows XP, using the original CD that came with my old XP machine. The only thing to remember is to have an 1881 CD loaded before powering up VirtualBox because it won't recognise an empty CD/DVD drive.

If I recall, I first did this on a W7 machine, and later on I was able to export VirtualBox from the W7 environment to a the W10 environment without the rigmarole of reinstallation. I have other specialised software working within VirtualBox which have not worked in W7 since before the beginning of time, let alone W10.

There are probably nowadays a myriad other ways, although initially I did try Windows Virtual PC which turned out to be a useless heap of junk.

Howard


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Claude Hanson
 

Anne:
Wow!  I appreciate the way you think and am very happy to have helping solve my problem.  As I've mentioned before, I started my genealogy efforts in 1979 and I know quality thinking when I encounter it.  I've made many assumptions and had to backtrack that I can tell when someone is trying to tell me to slow down and know that eventually you'll have to triangulate the data before you can prove it.
Now, to your question, I'm thinking you meant Donald Ross.... not Donald Munro.  I read the death record more closely this morning...and here is what I've  found.  He was single and died August 16. 1857 in Snab.  He was 49 years old.  His father was John Ross and his mother was Mary (maiden name not given).  That would infer his  birth date as either '07, '08, or '09.  He was buried in Dyke and there was no sexton.  The informant was William Mitchell, brother-in-law.  He could be the husband of one of those possible older sisters....as usual, a new clue to investigate!!!
     Have a great day!
Claude

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:29 AM Allan MacBain <testerscot@...> wrote:
Not to try to hijack this thread; but...
Are you on a Windows 10 computer, Ann? And, if so, how are you managing to view the 1881 data discs? 
I have the set, but can't find a clear solution to accessing it on a Win10 system.

Also... I *really* want access to the various Kirk Session records!!! :D

Allan MacBain MBCS
Associate Genealogist (UK & Europe), Clan MacBean Association

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 09:34, Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ross and Cromarty is the name of the county, and it is informally divided into Easter Ross and Wester Ross. All the places we have mentioned in R&C so far are in Easter Ross.

I wouldn't dismiss the other children born to John Ross and Christian Munro in Easter Ross. Christian was listed as aged 65 in 1841, so she could have been anything between 65 and 69 if that is accurate, so born between 1771 and 1776. A marriage date of 1805 would fit, and the last two children were baptised in Nigg, which is where Donald says that he and Christina were born. There's a long gap between 1805 and Donald's birth year, so it would all fit together.

I have to confess to cheating slightly with the 1881 census, because I have a set of the LDS CD-ROM transcription of the 1881 census, which makes searching a lot easier once you are aware of its quirks. Ladysbridge Hospital is in the County of Banff, Parish of Boyndie. Census 1881, parish No 143, Enumeration book 3, page 10.

It's quite likely that there is no surviving record of Christian's death. The best you could hope for would be a record in the Dyke Kirk Session minutes of payment for the mortcloth. Every parish had a mortcloth (or sometimes more than one) which was draped over the coffin during the funeral service, and there was a fee for the use of it, the money going towards the funds for the relief of the poor of the parish. These amounts are often listed in the parish accounts. The Kirk Session is the committee made up of minister and elders that runs the business of the kirk. The records are mostly held in the National Records of Scotland, and the do include the Dyke KS for the relevant years. They KS minutes have all been digitised, and Scotland's People intends to make them available but so far has not managed to do so for technical reasons. In the meantime they can be viewed on-screen in Edinburgh and in a few local archives, but of course they are all closed at the moment because of coronavirus.

Out of curiosity, who were the parents of the Donald Munro who died in Dyke in 1857, and who was the informant?






Re: Searching for John McLeod

Allan MacBain
 

Not to try to hijack this thread; but...
Are you on a Windows 10 computer, Ann? And, if so, how are you managing to view the 1881 data discs? 
I have the set, but can't find a clear solution to accessing it on a Win10 system.

Also... I *really* want access to the various Kirk Session records!!! :D

Allan MacBain MBCS
Associate Genealogist (UK & Europe), Clan MacBean Association

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 09:34, Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ross and Cromarty is the name of the county, and it is informally divided into Easter Ross and Wester Ross. All the places we have mentioned in R&C so far are in Easter Ross.

I wouldn't dismiss the other children born to John Ross and Christian Munro in Easter Ross. Christian was listed as aged 65 in 1841, so she could have been anything between 65 and 69 if that is accurate, so born between 1771 and 1776. A marriage date of 1805 would fit, and the last two children were baptised in Nigg, which is where Donald says that he and Christina were born. There's a long gap between 1805 and Donald's birth year, so it would all fit together.

I have to confess to cheating slightly with the 1881 census, because I have a set of the LDS CD-ROM transcription of the 1881 census, which makes searching a lot easier once you are aware of its quirks. Ladysbridge Hospital is in the County of Banff, Parish of Boyndie. Census 1881, parish No 143, Enumeration book 3, page 10.

It's quite likely that there is no surviving record of Christian's death. The best you could hope for would be a record in the Dyke Kirk Session minutes of payment for the mortcloth. Every parish had a mortcloth (or sometimes more than one) which was draped over the coffin during the funeral service, and there was a fee for the use of it, the money going towards the funds for the relief of the poor of the parish. These amounts are often listed in the parish accounts. The Kirk Session is the committee made up of minister and elders that runs the business of the kirk. The records are mostly held in the National Records of Scotland, and the do include the Dyke KS for the relevant years. They KS minutes have all been digitised, and Scotland's People intends to make them available but so far has not managed to do so for technical reasons. In the meantime they can be viewed on-screen in Edinburgh and in a few local archives, but of course they are all closed at the moment because of coronavirus.

Out of curiosity, who were the parents of the Donald Munro who died in Dyke in 1857, and who was the informant?






Re: Searching for John McLeod

Anne Burgess
 

Ross and Cromarty is the name of the county, and it is informally divided into Easter Ross and Wester Ross. All the places we have mentioned in R&C so far are in Easter Ross.

I wouldn't dismiss the other children born to John Ross and Christian Munro in Easter Ross. Christian was listed as aged 65 in 1841, so she could have been anything between 65 and 69 if that is accurate, so born between 1771 and 1776. A marriage date of 1805 would fit, and the last two children were baptised in Nigg, which is where Donald says that he and Christina were born. There's a long gap between 1805 and Donald's birth year, so it would all fit together.

I have to confess to cheating slightly with the 1881 census, because I have a set of the LDS CD-ROM transcription of the 1881 census, which makes searching a lot easier once you are aware of its quirks. Ladysbridge Hospital is in the County of Banff, Parish of Boyndie. Census 1881, parish No 143, Enumeration book 3, page 10.

It's quite likely that there is no surviving record of Christian's death. The best you could hope for would be a record in the Dyke Kirk Session minutes of payment for the mortcloth. Every parish had a mortcloth (or sometimes more than one) which was draped over the coffin during the funeral service, and there was a fee for the use of it, the money going towards the funds for the relief of the poor of the parish. These amounts are often listed in the parish accounts. The Kirk Session is the committee made up of minister and elders that runs the business of the kirk. The records are mostly held in the National Records of Scotland, and the do include the Dyke KS for the relevant years. They KS minutes have all been digitised, and Scotland's People intends to make them available but so far has not managed to do so for technical reasons. In the meantime they can be viewed on-screen in Edinburgh and in a few local archives, but of course they are all closed at the moment because of coronavirus.

Out of curiosity, who were the parents of the Donald Munro who died in Dyke in 1857, and who was the informant?


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Claude Hanson
 

Thanks Anne:  
I feel better in knowing you are not irritated with me.... and thanks for the suggestions.  I'm thinking those kids born to a couple with the same name are not in the same family that has three siblings - Donald, Christina, and Rebecca.  But, I'll continue to look.  I remember years and years ago when I was trying to find the parents of my John Ross (b. abt. 1814 in Kinloss) that finding the right Alexander Ross and Margaret Bremner in that Ross Chromity (?) took me months to find the right one.... but, that was 30 or more years ago and we didn't have computers....  
     I'm anxious to get the records from Ladybridge Hospital to see if the John McLeod on the 1881 census was really from Dyke.  From the information I received from the archivist, it will probably be months, years, or never before she can look at those records.  I tried to find the census to see what you saw; but my ignorance on how to use Scotland's People overwhelmed me!!!  By the way, I did find a death record for Christina Ross in Forres.  She died a year or two before Rebecca's marriage and death.  I haven't found anything abt their brother Donald....and I haven't found a death record for their mother Christian.  Oh well, these problems are very minor when compared with our real problems in the U.S. -- the President and the virus!!!!

Claude

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:12 AM Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
No, you are not getting on my nerves.

I did find it irritating that someone made exactly the assumption that I had specifically warned against in an earlier message in this very thread, but that isn't important.

The most likely one, I suggest, is John Ross to Chrity Munro in Kilmuir Easter on 22 March 1805. (The index spells her name as Chrity). However don't expect too much from the original record. It will not, for instance, tell you the names of their parents.

There are baptisms of Margaret, 1808; Catherine, 1809; Janet, 1810 and Kathrine and Isabel, 1812, to parents with these names, the first three in the Church of Scotland registers (Kilmuir Easter, Cromarty and Rosskeen respectively) and the last two in Nigg Associate, all in Easter Ross.

There is also a Margaret in 1813 in Edinburgh. This last one could be a couple with the same names, of course, as it's a long way from Easter Ross to Edinburgh.

So it all looks plausible, but I am not sure how easy it would be to prove it is the same family.




Re: Searching for John McLeod

Anne Burgess
 

No, you are not getting on my nerves.

I did find it irritating that someone made exactly the assumption that I had specifically warned against in an earlier message in this very thread, but that isn't important.

The most likely one, I suggest, is John Ross to Chrity Munro in Kilmuir Easter on 22 March 1805. (The index spells her name as Chrity). However don't expect too much from the original record. It will not, for instance, tell you the names of their parents.

There are baptisms of Margaret, 1808; Catherine, 1809; Janet, 1810 and Kathrine and Isabel, 1812, to parents with these names, the first three in the Church of Scotland registers (Kilmuir Easter, Cromarty and Rosskeen respectively) and the last two in Nigg Associate, all in Easter Ross.

There is also a Margaret in 1813 in Edinburgh. This last one could be a couple with the same names, of course, as it's a long way from Easter Ross to Edinburgh.

So it all looks plausible, but I am not sure how easy it would be to prove it is the same family.


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Claude Hanson
 

Anne:  Just got a message from the group and apparently my message last night about my contact with the Grampian cite and the fact that I'm not searching for the marriage of Christian Munro and John Ross, the parents of Donald, Christina, and Rebecca.  The message wasn't delivered because it didn't have a subject... it asked me to put the subject in and send it again.... I tried and couldn't figure out how to do that.  Sorry for the confusion.  My ignorance is overwhelming!!!  Claude


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 1:31 PM Wayne Shepheard <wshepheard@...> wrote:
Ann,

Normally I would agree with you but in the case of my wife's grandfather and great-grandmother, the information about parentage on their marriage records (two each) was not correct. In fact, both told fibs all the way through their lives, on marriage records, censuses, military service records, etc. The only accurate information about great-gramma's parentage was on her death information which was given by a nephew, a son of one of her sisters. Both of her sisters, by the way, did offer the correct information about their parents on their own marriage records.

Grandpa, perhaps because he was illegitimate, rarely gave the correct information about his parentage. Information about his parents on his death record, unfortunately, was wrong as well. I think this was because the informant, my wife's mother, was never told the entire truth about her father's family. She took the erroneous information from her father's marriage record.

The lesson here is never completely trust any record, but look for many different sources in order to determine what might be the real truth about relationships.

Wayne Shepheard


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 4:05 AM Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think that is wrong information by her widower. When there is a conflict between information on a marriage and information on the death certificate, I tend to believe the marriage because in that case the person is alive to provide the information, whereas with a death certificate the information is only as good as what the informant thinks he knows.



Re: Searching for John McLeod

Claude Hanson
 

Anne:  As I told you in a previous message, I also printed that marriage from Scotspeople.  I am now looking for a marriage record the Chistian Munro and a John Ross, the parents of Donald, Christina and Rebecca.  Unless I'm interpreting this last message from wrong, I must be getting on your nerves.  If so, I'm sorry.  I'm curious and ignorant and try not to be witless and thoughtless.  I do appreciate all the help you have provided.  Claude


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:
Sorry for trying to help I will keep out of it.





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Indeed, all that information is readily available, But it is all transcriptions and index listings.

"Working on the marriage date she should have been born about 1841". Well, too bad, but making wild guesses like that is how errors get into online trees. I even warned about this particular assumption in a post two days ago on this very thread. I have only seen a small proportion of all the marriage certificates in the Scottish records - just under 5,000 for my own family and maybe another couple of thousand for other people's trees - and the number of women who married at age 21 (let alone younger) is very low. Most were in their mid to late 20s at marriage.

Also, as I have already said upthread, I bought a copy of the marriage certificate of David Winchester and Rebeccia Ross. It says there, in clearly handwritten black and white, that David was 25 and Rebecca was 35. Yes, thirty-five years old. Not 21. This is consistent with her age in the assorted censuses and with her death aged 38.

Those extracts from assorted indexes are very useful indeed far saving time hunting down the original records. You can then go to a Family History Centre, arrange to rent one of the FHL films mentioned about, and then go back, view the films in the FHC, and make notes from it. Or you can go online to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and download digital images of the certificates on the spot, for less than the cost of a cup of coffee or a pint of beer each.

There is ***NO*** substitute for looking at the original documents.







Re: Searching for John McLeod

Josephine Conray
 

Sorry for trying to help I will keep out of it.

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Indeed, all that information is readily available, But it is all transcriptions and index listings.

"Working on the marriage date she should have been born about 1841". Well, too bad, but making wild guesses like that is how errors get into online trees. I even warned about this particular assumption in a post two days ago on this very thread. I have only seen a small proportion of all the marriage certificates in the Scottish records - just under 5,000 for my own family and maybe another couple of thousand for other people's trees - and the number of women who married at age 21 (let alone younger) is very low. Most were in their mid to late 20s at marriage.

Also, as I have already said upthread, I bought a copy of the marriage certificate of David Winchester and Rebeccia Ross. It says there, in clearly handwritten black and white, that David was 25 and Rebecca was 35. Yes, thirty-five years old. Not 21. This is consistent with her age in the assorted censuses and with her death aged 38.

Those extracts from assorted indexes are very useful indeed far saving time hunting down the original records. You can then go to a Family History Centre, arrange to rent one of the FHL films mentioned about, and then go back, view the films in the FHC, and make notes from it. Or you can go online to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and download digital images of the certificates on the spot, for less than the cost of a cup of coffee or a pint of beer each.

There is ***NO*** substitute for looking at the original documents.


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Anne Burgess
 

Indeed, all that information is readily available, But it is all transcriptions and index listings.

"Working on the marriage date she should have been born about 1841". Well, too bad, but making wild guesses like that is how errors get into online trees. I even warned about this particular assumption in a post two days ago on this very thread. I have only seen a small proportion of all the marriage certificates in the Scottish records - just under 5,000 for my own family and maybe another couple of thousand for other people's trees - and the number of women who married at age 21 (let alone younger) is very low. Most were in their mid to late 20s at marriage.

Also, as I have already said upthread, I bought a copy of the marriage certificate of David Winchester and Rebeccia Ross. It says there, in clearly handwritten black and white, that David was 25 and Rebecca was 35. Yes, thirty-five years old. Not 21. This is consistent with her age in the assorted censuses and with her death aged 38.

Those extracts from assorted indexes are very useful indeed far saving time hunting down the original records. You can then go to a Family History Centre, arrange to rent one of the FHL films mentioned about, and then go back, view the films in the FHC, and make notes from it. Or you can go online to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and download digital images of the certificates on the spot, for less than the cost of a cup of coffee or a pint of beer each.

There is ***NO*** substitute for looking at the original documents.


Re: Searching for John McLeod

Wayne Shepheard
 

Ann,

Normally I would agree with you but in the case of my wife's grandfather and great-grandmother, the information about parentage on their marriage records (two each) was not correct. In fact, both told fibs all the way through their lives, on marriage records, censuses, military service records, etc. The only accurate information about great-gramma's parentage was on her death information which was given by a nephew, a son of one of her sisters. Both of her sisters, by the way, did offer the correct information about their parents on their own marriage records.

Grandpa, perhaps because he was illegitimate, rarely gave the correct information about his parentage. Information about his parents on his death record, unfortunately, was wrong as well. I think this was because the informant, my wife's mother, was never told the entire truth about her father's family. She took the erroneous information from her father's marriage record.

The lesson here is never completely trust any record, but look for many different sources in order to determine what might be the real truth about relationships.

Wayne Shepheard


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 4:05 AM Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think that is wrong information by her widower. When there is a conflict between information on a marriage and information on the death certificate, I tend to believe the marriage because in that case the person is alive to provide the information, whereas with a death certificate the information is only as good as what the informant thinks he knows.


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