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Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Ken Harrison
 

Thank you to the several persons who provided information on my request.

I am working thru them and will reply as I track down the leads.

Ken

 

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Subject: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

I’d appreciate advice from someone who knows Perthshire.

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada

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Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

John Kemplen
 

I have to agree with Jack that Culnacuries is by far the best contender for Gualnacarrie in areas that might have been associated with Muthill.  The exact view on the NLS website is:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400315
and I attach an extract from it.  On the extract, Comrie is towards the right hand side near the top.  Follow the Ruchill Water south west from Comrie until it goes across the join in the map, and Culnacuries is just below the river at that point.  The only named place in that vicinity that is still shown on the 1866 OS map is Auchinner, a short distance to the west of Culnacuries.

Well found, Jack.  I was too hung up on finding an Ordnance Survey map and did not look in the Counties of Scotland category in the map series dropdown menu.

John


On 05/04/2020 00:55, paisley.jack via groups.io wrote:

Ken,
This is a rather wild guess, so very possibly wrong.
There is a similar name to Gualnacarrie.

It looks to be a farmstead - Culnacuries.
And is SW of Comrie village.
(in part of Strowan Parish 1783) (Monzievaird & Strowan 1805)
It's quite near the parish borders of both Comrie and Muthill.
But the name seems to have disappeared by the 1860s.

https://maps.nls.uk/
(The Counties of Perth and Clackmannan. Jas. Stobbie 1783 / 1805)

Jack



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Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Anne Burgess
 

Someone wrote: "Muthill is a small place, smaller than Comrie and much smaller than Crieff I would be very surprised if these other places had ever come under Muthill for any administrative purpose." That is absolutely correct.

However as we are talking about the late 19th century, there is no point whatsoever in considering the relative sizes of villages and towns in the 21st century. You have to get into the habit of thinking by parish. The parish was the basic administrative unit.

The map from FamilySearch is not at all helpful in this context. It shows Ardoch as a separate parish, but in the 1790s, when the (Old) Statistical Account was written, and in the 1840s when the New Statistical Account was written, it was part of the parish of Muthill. Look at the map at https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/county/Perth (noting the absence of Ardoch from the list of parishes) and read the accounts at https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Perth/Muthill

See also https://www.ardochparishchurch.org/ which explains that the parish of Ardoch was not disjoined from the parish of Muthill until 1857, though there was a Chapel of Ease there in the 1780s.

(Chapels of Ease were built in parishes where a significant number of people lived in the parish but many miles from the parish kirk. In this case, about five or six miles, which would have been a weary trek there and back on foot to attend Sunday services, especially in winter.)


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Ken.

 

I have found from the Ancestry records not sure if they are your family. There seems to be quite a few Archibald Sinclair & Margaret McKinzie /McKenzie families.

 

First family

Archibald  Sinclair & Margaret McKinzie /McKenzie Married 25 July 1791 Comrie, Perth, Scotland. FHL Film no 1040075

Children

Bettridge Baptism 2 June 1793 Comrie, Perth.  Film no 1040075

Donald Baptism 10 June 1795, Comrie, Perth, Film no 1040075  This would fit with your Baptism record

  

 

Second Family

Archibald  Sinclair & Margaret McKinzie /McKenzie Married 1801 Muthill Perth. Film no 1040132

Children

Archibald Baptism 4 April 1802 Muthill, Perth, Film no 1040132

John was born 9 August 1806 Bap 19 Aug 1806 Muthill Film no 1040132

 

 

Third Family

Archibald Sinclair & Margaret Sinclair Married 1 Aug 1774 Comrie, Perth.  Film no 1040075

Helen born 20 Aug 1774 Baptism 30 Oct 1774 Comrie, Perth Film no 1040075

 

 

This is an odd one out. I  thought he might belong to the first family but he has a different Film no.

Archibald  Sinclair & Margaret McKinzie /McKenzie

Malcolm Sinclair Baptism 24 March 1799 @ Monzievaird & Strowan Perth. Film no 1040335

 

I hope this is of some help

Josephine

Bris. Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2020 2:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

Thank you to all who have offered help so far.  I see now why I was puzzled.

I have viewed a film showing the Muthill parish registers (Spine of book clearly says “Muthill – B1704-1819; M1676-1761”) and page 242 appears to be headed Comrie in 1795.

Perhaps I have misread this word, but nothing else comes to mind.

I will try to attach part of the page, showing the heading and also 2 entries on the page which refer to Gualnacarrie.

Can any of you interpret this page differently?

Ken

 

Sent: April 4, 2020 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

Can you send more information on Archibald Sinclair date of birth, parents, wife we might be able to find the family. If you look for the family you might be able to find the place.

Is he connected to Sir John Sinclair the politician?

Cheers

Josephine

 

Sent: Saturday, 4 April 2020 7:52 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

Ken Harrison




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Mulhill

Janet Farmer
 

I forgot to mention in my last email that the name of the church is 


Mulhill Parish Church with Trinity Gask and Kinkell.

Cheers
Janet


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Jack Mills
 

Ken,
This is a rather wild guess, so very possibly wrong.
There is a similar name to Gualnacarrie.

It looks to be a farmstead - Culnacuries.
And is SW of Comrie village.
(in part of Strowan Parish 1783) (Monzievaird & Strowan 1805)
It's quite near the parish borders of both Comrie and Muthill.
But the name seems to have disappeared by the 1860s.

https://maps.nls.uk/
(The Counties of Perth and Clackmannan. Jas. Stobbie 1783 / 1805)

Jack


Muthill and Comrie

Janet Farmer
 

Hi Ken: I typed in Muthill Perthshire and got a really good site with pictures of the church  and also heads of household etc.

I think that the name Cumrie at the top of the page might indicate that information  was being carried forward from the previous page:  I found the following names 
Robert Comrie Muthill
Peter Comrie Dargill


Cheers
Janet


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Ken Harrison
 

Thank you to all who have offered help so far.  I see now why I was puzzled.

I have viewed a film showing the Muthill parish registers (Spine of book clearly says “Muthill – B1704-1819; M1676-1761”) and page 242 appears to be headed Comrie in 1795.

Perhaps I have misread this word, but nothing else comes to mind.

I will try to attach part of the page, showing the heading and also 2 entries on the page which refer to Gualnacarrie.

Can any of you interpret this page differently?

Ken

 

Sent: April 4, 2020 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

Can you send more information on Archibald Sinclair date of birth, parents, wife we might be able to find the family. If you look for the family you might be able to find the place.

Is he connected to Sir John Sinclair the politician?

Cheers

Josephine

 

Sent: Saturday, 4 April 2020 7:52 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

Ken Harrison


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Ken Harrison
 

I sent a reply to this, with an image, a couple of hours ago but it has not yet come to me.

Did anyone else see it?

Ken

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josephine Conray
Sent: April 4, 2020 4:03 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

Hi Ken

Can you send more information on Archibald Sinclair date of birth, parents, wife we might be able to find the family. If you look for the family you might be able to find the place.

Is he connected to Sir John Sinclair the politician?

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld. Aust.

 


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Ken

Can you send more information on Archibald Sinclair date of birth, parents, wife we might be able to find the family. If you look for the family you might be able to find the place.

Is he connected to Sir John Sinclair the politician?

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld. Aust.

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Sent: Saturday, 4 April 2020 7:52 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

 

I’d appreciate advice from someone who knows Perthshire.

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada




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Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Anne Burgess
 

I know it very well. When I was a child we often went to St Fillans (in the parish of Comrie), where the owner of the hotel was a friend of my parents. Later, my aunt and uncle retired to Comrie and I often visited them there. I also lived in Perth for several years and drove to Loch Earn every Sunday in the sailing season for much of that time. My job in Perth entailed knowing all of the county pretty well.

Comrie, Muthill, Monzievaird-and-Strowan and Trinity-Gask are all parishes in the County of Perth aka Perthshire. You can see a list and links to the Statistical Accounts of each of these at https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/county/Perth, and a link to a map of the county showing the boundaries of the parishes in 1832.

The parish of Comrie was not part of the parish of Muthill. However the village of Comrie is right at the eastern extremity of its parish, very close to the boundaries with Muthill, Monzievaird and Strowan.

However there could be places called Comrie in other parishes as well as the parish and village of that name in Perthshire. I know of one in the parish of Torryburn, Fife and one in the parish of Contin, Ross and Cromarty, but I am not aware of any others in other parishes in Perthshire.

You can see a list of places in the parish of Muthill at https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/perthshire-os-name-books-1859-1862/perthshire-volume-62/1 (there are transcriptions below the images of the information in the images).

Clathick is in the parish of Monzievaird and Strowan, about two miles east of the village of Comrie. Modern map https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NN8022
Mid-19th century map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.38360&lon=-3.93990&layers=5&b=1

Gualnacarrie continues to defeat me.If the reference is from the Muthill parish register, then it must be in that parish or very close to the parish boundary. What exactly does the extract say? Have you looked at other baptisms in the same family? Where do they say the family home was?


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

John Kemplen
 

Hi Ken

Muthill is a small place, smaller than Comrie and much smaller than Crieff.  I would be very surprised if these other places had ever come under Muthill for any administrative purpose.  The only parish I have come across that was for a while part of Muthill is Ardoch.

I have looked at a mid-1800s Ordnance Survey six inch to the mile map of the area and have not found anywhere that looks or sounds anything like Gualnacarrie.  I do not believe there are any earlier map series out there to give place names that were changed or disappeared later.  The name is not listed in Scotland's places or on Canmore (the archaeological site website).

John



On 04/04/2020 00:24, Ken Harrison wrote:

Thank you, John.

I knew that most of those locales were close to Muthill, but I’m still wondering whether they would have been “part of” Muthill and so BDMs would have been recorded in the Muthill register.

And then, Gualnacarrie is still elusive ….
Ken

 

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Subject: Re: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Ken

You can find all of these places except Gualnacarrie with a simple search on Google Maps.  A few miles west of Perth you come to the small town of Crieff, and most of the places you mention are outlying villages, hamlets or individual properties.  Travelling west from Crieff along the main A85 road you find Loch Monzievaird, then Monzievaird House, the you cross the Clathick Burn and then a bit further on you come to the small town / large village of Comrie.  Back at Crieff, if you head south on the A822 road you find Muthill and if you head east from Muthill back towards Perth you find Trinity Gask (which appears also to be called Kirkton).  Gualnacarrie may not exist any more or may have changed its spelling.  Maybe you would be able to find it in the vicinity of one or other of the other places by looking at the 19th Century maps that you can access on the Scotland's Places website or the Canmore website.

John (only very tenuous connections to Perthshire)

On 03/04/2020 22:51, Ken Harrison wrote:

I’d appreciate advice from someone who knows Perthshire.

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada

 





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Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Seymour Hosking
 

Hi Ken FamilySearch gives some clues on Muthill Parish and Comrie Parish.  If your family are like mine, they might have gone to different churches at different times.   And have you seen the Name Books? Not much there that helps.  And I can't find Gualnacarrie. regards Seymour
 


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Ken Harrison
 

Thank you, John.

I knew that most of those locales were close to Muthill, but I’m still wondering whether they would have been “part of” Muthill and so BDMs would have been recorded in the Muthill register.

And then, Gualnacarrie is still elusive ….
Ken

 

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Subject: Re: [ScotGen] COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Ken

You can find all of these places except Gualnacarrie with a simple search on Google Maps.  A few miles west of Perth you come to the small town of Crieff, and most of the places you mention are outlying villages, hamlets or individual properties.  Travelling west from Crieff along the main A85 road you find Loch Monzievaird, then Monzievaird House, the you cross the Clathick Burn and then a bit further on you come to the small town / large village of Comrie.  Back at Crieff, if you head south on the A822 road you find Muthill and if you head east from Muthill back towards Perth you find Trinity Gask (which appears also to be called Kirkton).  Gualnacarrie may not exist any more or may have changed its spelling.  Maybe you would be able to find it in the vicinity of one or other of the other places by looking at the 19th Century maps that you can access on the Scotland's Places website or the Canmore website.

John (only very tenuous connections to Perthshire)

On 03/04/2020 22:51, Ken Harrison wrote:

I’d appreciate advice from someone who knows Perthshire.

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada

 


Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

John Kemplen
 

Oops, sorry Ken, the old maps are on the National Library of Scotland website, not Scotland's Places or Canmore.

John



On 03/04/2020 22:51, Ken Harrison wrote:

I’d appreciate advice from someone who knows Perthshire.

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada





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Re: COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

John Kemplen
 

Ken

You can find all of these places except Gualnacarrie with a simple search on Google Maps.  A few miles west of Perth you come to the small town of Crieff, and most of the places you mention are outlying villages, hamlets or individual properties.  Travelling west from Crieff along the main A85 road you find Loch Monzievaird, then Monzievaird House, the you cross the Clathick Burn and then a bit further on you come to the small town / large village of Comrie.  Back at Crieff, if you head south on the A822 road you find Muthill and if you head east from Muthill back towards Perth you find Trinity Gask (which appears also to be called Kirkton).  Gualnacarrie may not exist any more or may have changed its spelling.  Maybe you would be able to find it in the vicinity of one or other of the other places by looking at the 19th Century maps that you can access on the Scotland's Places website or the Canmore website.

John (only very tenuous connections to Perthshire)


On 03/04/2020 22:51, Ken Harrison wrote:

I’d appreciate advice from someone who knows Perthshire.

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada





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COMRIE parish or MUTHILL?

Ken Harrison
 

I’d appreciate advice from someone who knows Perthshire.

I’m looking at a page in a book which is named parochial registers of MUTHILL, Perth but the writing at the top of the register page says “COMRIE January 1795”.

Was COMRIE part of MUTHILL?  What other locales were also in MUTHILL?

The entry I am interested in is for an Archibald SINCLAIR “in GUALNACARRIE”.

Does anyone know what/where was Gualnacarrie?  And how it relates to CLATHICK, MONZIEVAIRD or TRINITY GASK?  [The family seems to have moved a lot]

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada


Re: Maiden surnames

Anne Burgess
 

Somewhere in this thread someone wrote, "It is a relatively modern thing, and not just in Scotland, for married women to continue to use their maiden surname."

This is incorrect and potentially misleading for other researchers. Throughout history and until the early part of the 19th century married women in Scotland were known by their maiden surnames. See my post on the other thread on this same topic. This is why the mother's maiden surname appears in baptism records, and why married women appear in the earliest censusus by their middle names. It is also why married woman are indexed by all their surnames in the deaths indexes, and why the indexes can include the maiden surname of the deceased's mother from 1974 onwards. By the end of the 19th century, however, it had become common for married women to be known by their husbands' surnames. There has been a resurgence in very recent years of married woman retaining their maiden surnames, but it is most certainly not a 'modern thing'. The 'modern thing' in the 19th and 20th century in Scotland was adopting a husband's surname.


Re: Unity Simpson

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Ken

Thank you for your information. I am not related to this family.

I was trying to help Ian MacLeod with some information as I do have Ancestry and Happy to help anyone. I did not find much so I am sure he will be able to get something out of your email.

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2020 1:56 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Unity Simpson

 

Ian & Josephine:

I’m very interested in this thread, even tho I may not be able to add much.

I have a lot of McVorans (various spellings) in my database, including many (like my own direct line) who changed the name to Morrison (and one or two to McMoran).

I do not have a Dougald, and so have no direct info for you (but see below).

My earliest proven ancestor in this line was Grace M(a)cVoran, who married under that name in 1816 to Duncan M(a)cNabb and started using the name Morrison in baptism records some time between 1825 and 1830.

Grace was born about 1791 (according to 1851 census) but I have never found a baptism or any indication of the names or home of her parents.  I have looked for her as both Grace and Grizzel, and as both McVoran and Morrison.

 

One suggestion I have come across, but have not been able to check, is that some McVorans came from Jura.

In that regard, I do have a note about your family, from John Gillies <john.gillies@...> who sent 25 May 2010 to Islay List:

“John McVorran who married Unity (Una) Simpson is recorded as the tenant of Island farm, Kilarow 1774-80-99   Children:

      Dugal & John McVorran, B: Bowmore 1783

      Jene (Jane) McVorran. B:  Jura 1787?, D: 1862, Camden, NSW, Australia.

In 1807 Jean married Donald McIndeor (McAlister) B: 1778?, D: 1835 and buried at Kilarow Cemetery.

Donald and Jean continued as tenants of Island farm until his death in 1835.   Jean and almost all her children then moved to Australia, where they promptly changed the family name to McAlister.”

The quoted material above seems to me to suggest that John and Unity commuted from Islay to Jura and back again during the 1780s.

 

I would be cautious about the 1860 death below, and not assume it is for the correct John.  While it is not unknown for ages at death to be incorrect, there is a 5-year discrepancy shown for the birth.

In my data I have another John McVoran b. abt 1781, who lived most of his life at Ballychatrigin.  John was a very common name.

Ken Harrison

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josephine Conray
Sent: March 27, 2020 9:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Unity Simpson

 

Hi Ian

There does not seen to be any information on either of the boys. This is the only thing on John Birth & Death.

 

Will keep looking

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld. Aust

 

 

 

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Name:

John Mcvorran

Gender:

Male

Baptism Date:

6 Nov 1783

Baptism Place:

, Killarrow, Argyll, Scotland

Father:

John Mcvorran

Mother:

Una Simson

FHL Film Number:

1041078

Reference ID:

- 2:15CGPVF

 

 

Deaths

 

Name:

 

 

John McVorran

Birth Date:

1788

Death Date:

1860

Cemetery:

Kilmeny Old Churchyard

Burial or Cremation Place:

Isle of Islay, Argyll and Bute, Scotland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [ScotGen] Unity Simpson

 

I am seeking information on Unity Simpson b1765, possibly on Islay, who married John McVorran b1760. They had at least 3 children, 2 brothers John McVorran b1783 d1860 and Dougald also b1783 and 1 sister Jene or Jane McVorran b1782 Bowmore, Islay, d12/2/1862 at Glendareul, Camden, NSW, Australia. Married Donald McIndeor b1790 d1836 in Bowmore. I have the full information on Jene but nothing on the brothers and the mother, ant help would be appreciated.

Ian MacLeod

Taree, NSW, Australia

 


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McVORANs

Malcolm Campbell
 

My Margaret McVORAN changed her name to MORRISON.
 
She married Peter CURRIE, d, on March of 1835. He was killed by a falling tree on the 5 acre lots in Nottawasaga Twp.,  Duntroon, Ontario.
 
They had 5 children in 11 years.
 
John "Black John" was born in 1816 in Parish, New York, who passed away in 1877 at the age of 61 in Nottawasage Twp.
 
Her daughter Marion was born on August 19, 1819.
 
Her daughter Margaret was born in 1819.
 
Her daughter Ann was born in 1821.
 
Her son James was born in 1827.
 
Happy hunting
 
Malcolm Campbell
 
 

Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Unity Simpson
 

Ian & Josephine:

I’m very interested in this thread, even tho I may not be able to add much.

I have a lot of McVorans (various spellings) in my database, including many (like my own direct line) who changed the name to Morrison (and one or two to McMoran).

I do not have a Dougald, and so have no direct info for you (but see below).

My earliest proven ancestor in this line was Grace M(a)cVoran, who married under that name in 1816 to Duncan M(a)cNabb and started using the name Morrison in baptism records some time between 1825 and 1830.

Grace was born about 1791 (according to 1851 census) but I have never found a baptism or any indication of the names or home of her parents.  I have looked for her as both Grace and Grizzel, and as both McVoran and Morrison.

 

One suggestion I have come across, but have not been able to check, is that some McVorans came from Jura.

In that regard, I do have a note about your family, from John Gillies <john.gillies@...> who sent 25 May 2010 to Islay List:

John McVorran who married Unity (Una) Simpson is recorded as the tenant of Island farm, Kilarow 1774-80-99   Children:

      Dugal & John McVorran, B: Bowmore 1783

      Jene (Jane) McVorran. B:  Jura 1787?, D: 1862, Camden, NSW, Australia.

In 1807 Jean married Donald McIndeor (McAlister) B: 1778?, D: 1835 and buried at Kilarow Cemetery.

Donald and Jean continued as tenants of Island farm until his death in 1835.   Jean and almost all her children then moved to Australia, where they promptly changed the family name to McAlister.

The quoted material above seems to me to suggest that John and Unity commuted from Islay to Jura and back again during the 1780s.

 

I would be cautious about the 1860 death below, and not assume it is for the correct John.  While it is not unknown for ages at death to be incorrect, there is a 5-year discrepancy shown for the birth.

In my data I have another John McVoran b. abt 1781, who lived most of his life at Ballychatrigin.  John was a very common name.

Ken Harrison

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josephine Conray
Sent: March 27, 2020 9:17 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Unity Simpson

 

Hi Ian

There does not seen to be any information on either of the boys. This is the only thing on John Birth & Death.

 

Will keep looking

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld. Aust

 

 

 

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Name:

John Mcvorran

Gender:

Male

Baptism Date:

6 Nov 1783

Baptism Place:

, Killarrow, Argyll, Scotland

Father:

John Mcvorran

Mother:

Una Simson

FHL Film Number:

1041078

Reference ID:

- 2:15CGPVF

 

 

Deaths

 

Name:

 

 

John McVorran

Birth Date:

1788

Death Date:

1860

Cemetery:

Kilmeny Old Churchyard

Burial or Cremation Place:

Isle of Islay, Argyll and Bute, Scotland