No idea and do not understand how it ended up in my email. aAaAa. Can’t get my machine to do it again.
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 12:25 AM, Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:
Hi All
Off topic completely can someone tell me what this  and what
do you used it for.
Josephine
From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lauraine
Syrnick
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2020 9:50 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Maiden Name or Married Name
My Mother (non-Scottish) was buried as Ella B. Smith and
when I saw it was horrified. Â She was born as Ella B. Whittier and
married my Dad, David Laurie Smith (Scottish ancestry). Â I asked my Dad
why he had buried her and not put her maiden name as his parents were shown as
Nelson Smith and Jessie Hird (her maiden), his wife.
My Dad had no excuse but after he died, I paid a
considerable sum to have my mothers maiden name put on the gravestone along
with his dates.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick Â
Another interesting topic Janet and getting away from maiden surnames and
even to a different country but it explains past practices - I have a 2gtgf
name on a headstone in Cornwall but he was lost at sea off the Irish coast in a
storm. No body was recovered so there are no death or burial
records. The name on the headstone is just meant to commemorate the fact
that he lived and died and was part of that family.
Have a good day
Jocelyn
On 28/03/2020 2:12 am, Janet Farmer via Groups.Io wrote:
I was told many years ago that a married woman went by her
married name and after her husband's death she continued using his name for one
year then reverted to using her maiden name e.g. Catherine Caskey
(marriage recorded but no death and no mention on any census)was shown on the
1841 census of Islay; on the 1851 Census she was shown as Catherine Smith (her
maiden name). I have always assumed that this was the first year after his
death - or maybe not:)-Â
I also know that just because a name is on a stone in the
cemetery does not mean that person is buried there. My grandmother put
her daughter's name (married name) on the family stone, but she is not buried
there. My gg grandmother's name is on a stone but there is no record of
her having died even although she died after civil registration. I
checked this with Scotlandspeople and they confirmed they have no record.
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Hi All
Off topic completely can someone tell me what this  and what
do you used it for.
Josephine
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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lauraine
Syrnick
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2020 9:50 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Maiden Name or Married Name
My Mother (non-Scottish) was buried as Ella B. Smith and
when I saw it was horrified. Â She was born as Ella B. Whittier and
married my Dad, David Laurie Smith (Scottish ancestry). Â I asked my Dad
why he had buried her and not put her maiden name as his parents were shown as
Nelson Smith and Jessie Hird (her maiden), his wife.
My Dad had no excuse but after he died, I paid a
considerable sum to have my mothers maiden name put on the gravestone along
with his dates.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick Â
Another interesting topic Janet and getting away from maiden surnames and
even to a different country but it explains past practices - I have a 2gtgf
name on a headstone in Cornwall but he was lost at sea off the Irish coast in a
storm. No body was recovered so there are no death or burial
records. The name on the headstone is just meant to commemorate the fact
that he lived and died and was part of that family.
Have a good day
Jocelyn
On 28/03/2020 2:12 am, Janet Farmer via Groups.Io wrote:
I was told many years ago that a married woman went by her
married name and after her husband's death she continued using his name for one
year then reverted to using her maiden name e.g. Catherine Caskey
(marriage recorded but no death and no mention on any census)was shown on the
1841 census of Islay; on the 1851 Census she was shown as Catherine Smith (her
maiden name). I have always assumed that this was the first year after his
death - or maybe not:)-Â
I also know that just because a name is on a stone in the
cemetery does not mean that person is buried there. My grandmother put
her daughter's name (married name) on the family stone, but she is not buried
there. My gg grandmother's name is on a stone but there is no record of
her having died even although she died after civil registration. I
checked this with Scotlandspeople and they confirmed they have no record.

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Hi Ian
There does not seen to be any information on either of the boys.
This is the only thing on John Birth & Death.
Will keep looking
Cheers
Josephine
Qld. Aust
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950Scotland, Select
Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950Scotland, Select
Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950Scotland, Select
Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:
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John
Mcvorran
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Gender:
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Male
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Baptism Date:
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6 Nov 1783
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Baptism Place:
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, Killarrow, Argyll, Scotland
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Father:
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John
Mcvorran
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Mother:
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Una
Simson
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FHL Film Number:
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1041078
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Reference ID:
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- 2:15CGPVF
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Deaths
Name:
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John McVorran
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Birth Date:
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1788
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Death Date:
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1860
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Cemetery:
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Kilmeny Old Churchyard
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Burial or Cremation Place:
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Isle of Islay, Argyll and Bute, Scotland
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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianmac1@...
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2020 9:51 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Unity Simpson
I am seeking information on Unity Simpson b1765, possibly on
Islay, who married John McVorran b1760. They had at least 3 children, 2
brothers John McVorran b1783 d1860 and Dougald also b1783 and 1 sister Jene or
Jane McVorran b1782 Bowmore, Islay, d12/2/1862 at Glendareul, Camden, NSW,
Australia. Married Donald McIndeor b1790 d1836 in Bowmore. I have the full
information on Jene but nothing on the brothers and the mother, ant help would
be appreciated.
Ian MacLeod
Taree, NSW, Australia
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I am seeking information on Unity Simpson b1765, possibly on Islay, who married John McVorran b1760. They had at least 3 children, 2 brothers John McVorran b1783 d1860 and Dougald also b1783 and 1 sister Jene or Jane McVorran b1782 Bowmore, Islay, d12/2/1862 at Glendareul, Camden, NSW, Australia. Married Donald McIndeor b1790 d1836 in Bowmore. I have the full information on Jene but nothing on the brothers and the mother, ant help would be appreciated. Ian MacLeod Taree, NSW, Australia
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Re: Maiden Name or Married Name
My Mother (non-Scottish) was buried as Ella B. Smith and when I saw it was horrified. She was born as Ella B. Whittier and married my Dad, David Laurie Smith (Scottish ancestry). I asked my Dad why he had buried her and not put her maiden name as his parents were shown as Nelson Smith and Jessie Hird (her maiden), his wife.
My Dad had no excuse but after he died, I paid a considerable sum to have my mothers maiden name put on the gravestone along with his dates.
Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick
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Another interesting topic Janet and getting away from maiden
surnames and even to a different country but it explains past
practices - I have a 2gtgf name on a headstone in Cornwall but he
was lost at sea off the Irish coast in a storm. No body was
recovered so there are no death or burial records. The name on
the headstone is just meant to commemorate the fact that he lived
and died and was part of that family. Have a good day Jocelyn
On 28/03/2020 2:12 am, Janet Farmer via
Groups.Io wrote:
I was told many years ago that a married
woman went by her married name and after her husband's death she
continued using his name for one year then reverted to using her
maiden name e.g. Catherine Caskey (marriage recorded but no
death and no mention on any census)was shown on the 1841 census
of Islay; on the 1851 Census she was shown as Catherine Smith
(her maiden name). I have always assumed that this was the first
year after his death - or maybe not:)-
I also know that just because a name is on a
stone in the cemetery does not mean that person is buried
there. My grandmother put her daughter's name (married name) on
the family stone, but she is not buried there. My gg
grandmother's name is on a stone but there is no record of her
having died even although she died after civil registration. I
checked this with Scotlandspeople and they confirmed they have
no record.
Janet
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Jocelyn Gould
Another interesting topic Janet and getting away from maiden
surnames and even to a different country but it explains past
practices - I have a 2gtgf name on a headstone in Cornwall but he
was lost at sea off the Irish coast in a storm. No body was
recovered so there are no death or burial records. The name on
the headstone is just meant to commemorate the fact that he lived
and died and was part of that family.
Have a good day
Jocelyn
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On 28/03/2020 2:12 am, Janet Farmer via
Groups.Io wrote:
I was told many years ago that a married
woman went by her married name and after her husband's death she
continued using his name for one year then reverted to using her
maiden name e.g. Catherine Caskey (marriage recorded but no
death and no mention on any census)was shown on the 1841 census
of Islay; on the 1851 Census she was shown as Catherine Smith
(her maiden name). I have always assumed that this was the first
year after his death - or maybe not:)-
I also know that just because a name is on a
stone in the cemetery does not mean that person is buried
there. My grandmother put her daughter's name (married name) on
the family stone, but she is not buried there. My gg
grandmother's name is on a stone but there is no record of her
having died even although she died after civil registration. I
checked this with Scotlandspeople and they confirmed they have
no record.
Janet
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Jocelyn Gould
Hi John - another aspect to consider - in the 1841 Census for
Inverness-shire my 2xgtgm was listed under her maiden surname and
children under father's surname. I investigated this and found
that the wife retained her surname where there was property
involved and in fact, husbands changed their name to hers in cases
of large heritable estates.
My gtgm buried in Inverness-shire in 1917 is known by her maiden
surname but it is stated that she was the wife of ......... who
died before her and thus is at the top of the inscription.
The take-away from this - don't be pedantic about what it
'should' be - just go with the flow.
Take care everyone as we navigate through these challenging
times.
Jocelyn
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On 27/03/2020 7:37 pm, John Kemplen via
Groups.Io wrote:
Interesting what different experiences and recollections we
have of this. In spite of what I said earlier about women being
known by their married surnames, I agree totally with what Ken
says about women being known informally among friends by their
maiden name. In island communities (my experience is almost all
of Islay), where you fit in to the scheme of things is very
important. Even now, when I visit, I get interrogated to
establish exactly who my mother was and which families we
connect with by birth and by marriage. It seems to play a major
part in bonding as a community.
Regarding records, I do not have enough knowledge of the
situation in the 1700s and early 1800s to agree or disagree with
Goldie's assertions, but in all the Scottish census records I
have seen from 1841 onwards, all family members including the
wife are identified by the surname of the husband, and where a
mother is identified in BMD records, the heading on the form
asks for "name and maiden surname", clearly implying that, in
official circles at least, the woman's current surname is that
of her husband.
We all seem to share the same experience of conventions
regarding headstones, with both maiden and married surnames
being identifiable by one means or another. My mother's
headstone in the beautiful graveyard at Luss refers to her as
"Mary Campbell MacKellar, beloved wife of Herbert R. Kemplen".
As has been said, that is very helpful for genealogical
research.
John
On 27/03/2020 03:19, Ken Harrison
wrote:
When my great aunt died in 1975 near Ft. William, her Will was
in the name of “maiden name OR married name”. She told me that
she was known informally by her husband’s name, but her old
friends still called her by her maiden name, even 60 years after
marriage.
Most of my ancestors in Lanark, Orkney & Islay were
recorded in most records in the 1700s & 1800s with maiden
name only, including after they arrived in Canada, where their
headstones tend to show only the maiden name and “wife of ...”
Ken iPad
I beg to differ.......in the 1700/1800 era most
women retained their maiden names after marriage.
You will see on some census info this is so..NOT
ALL, but for example, if the woman was a Smith, she
was known as a Smith, but she was also known as the
Wife of John Doe.....on the tomb stone you will
likely see his name first, if he died first and then
‘his wife .... Smith’. You are right to think it
makes it easier for us doing genealogy to find
folks. Again, NOT all women did this, but it was a
common thing for the woman to retain her maiden
name. She was likely proud of her forbearers. To
carry the man’s name is a more modern thing. The
maiden name also denoted the Clan or Sept of 5Clan
she belonged to. Goldie
From:
John Kemplen via
Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:01
PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen]
McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/
Campbeltown
I don't think it is quite like that. Most
married Scottish women have, for many years,
ALWAYS been known by their married surname while
they are alive and it is ONLY on their headstones
when they are dead that they are called by their
maiden surname. Because their husband's name also
tends to appear for one reason or another on the
headstone, it is usually possible to identify them
by either their maiden or their married name. It
is a relatively modern thing, and not just in
Scotland, for married women to continue to use
their maiden surname.
On 26/03/2020 22:10,
LorneandJudy wrote:
And, that is why, they are named by
their maiden name on headstones. So helpful, for
us into genealogy.
JudyAnderson
BC Canada
Hello everyone - I have found
from my Scottish ancestry that many women
retain their maiden surname even when
married which makes tracing them so much
easier, Gillie Lomax.
On Wed,
25 Mar 2020 at 03:22, Josephine Conray
<javc@...>
wrote:
Hi Lola
I have
search Ancestry and Scotland
people. And found the following
information it might be yours
and it might not, but it
something you can work on.
On the
1901 Census it state Catherine
McEwing, age 44 her son Robert
born 1887in Campbeltown, he is
14 years old and a Gardener’s
Apprentice. It seems that she
used her married name most of
the time maybe it was it was
Robert or her family that buried
her under her madam name.
Hugh
Stewart born
Aug 1846/7 Teasdale / Islay
Argyll and Died year 1921 age 74
Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown, Married
1 Dec 1885 Catherine McEwing
Hugh
parents are John Stewart 1814
Kilarrow, Argyll and Mary
McCaig b10 Dec 1816 Bowmore,
Islay, Argyll & died 2 Dec
1872 Bowmore, Argyll they had 5
Children
John
Stewart 1814 parents were
Donald Stewart & Betsy
Brown. They were married 27 Mar
1806 Killarrow, Argyll.
Catherine
McEwing born
10 May 1857 Campbeltown and died
18 May 1921 Campbeltown .
Death under the name of
Catherine McEwing, age 64 Death
1921 Ref/no 507/42 Campbeltown
Her
Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828
Campbeltown , Argyll and Died14
/6/ 1888, Campbeltowm, Argyll
married 13 Dec 1853 Campbeltown
Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary
Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale,
Argyll and died 7 Nov 1895.
Joseph
parents were John McEwing 28 Jan
1807 Islay and died 22march 1869
and Flora Stevenson 1797 Islay,
died 17 Oct 1866
Mary
Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat
1793 Killean & Kilchenzie
and deid about 1851-1855 &
Margaret Gilchrist born 26 March
1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and
Died 10 Aug 1861 South
Beachmore, Argyll Scotland.
I hope
this helps
Josephine
Qld Aust.
Looks like
Hugh and his wife both died in
Campbeltown in 1921.
Still trying to find out what
happened to my elusive
Grandfather, Hugh Stewart,
born 1846 on Islay, married
Catherine McEwing 1885 in
Campbeltown then disappeared.
Lola Cook
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I was told many years ago that a married woman went by her married name and after her husband's death she continued using his name for one year then reverted to using her maiden name e.g. Catherine Caskey (marriage recorded but no death and no mention on any census)was shown on the 1841 census of Islay; on the 1851 Census she was shown as Catherine Smith (her maiden name). I have always assumed that this was the first year after his death - or maybe not:)-
I also know that just because a name is on a stone in the cemetery does not mean that person is buried there. My grandmother put her daughter's name (married name) on the family stone, but she is not buried there. My gg grandmother's name is on a stone but there is no record of her having died even although she died after civil registration. I checked this with Scotlandspeople and they confirmed they have no record.
Janet
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
Interesting what different experiences and recollections we have
of this. In spite of what I said earlier about women being known
by their married surnames, I agree totally with what Ken says
about women being known informally among friends by their maiden
name. In island communities (my experience is almost all of
Islay), where you fit in to the scheme of things is very
important. Even now, when I visit, I get interrogated to
establish exactly who my mother was and which families we connect
with by birth and by marriage. It seems to play a major part in
bonding as a community.
Regarding records, I do not have enough knowledge of the
situation in the 1700s and early 1800s to agree or disagree with
Goldie's assertions, but in all the Scottish census records I have
seen from 1841 onwards, all family members including the wife are
identified by the surname of the husband, and where a mother is
identified in BMD records, the heading on the form asks for "name
and maiden surname", clearly implying that, in official circles at
least, the woman's current surname is that of her husband.
We all seem to share the same experience of conventions regarding
headstones, with both maiden and married surnames being
identifiable by one means or another. My mother's headstone in
the beautiful graveyard at Luss refers to her as "Mary Campbell
MacKellar, beloved wife of Herbert R. Kemplen". As has been said,
that is very helpful for genealogical research.
John
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On 27/03/2020 03:19, Ken Harrison
wrote:
When my great aunt died in 1975 near Ft. William, her Will was in
the name of “maiden name OR married name”. She told me that she
was known informally by her husband’s name, but her old friends
still called her by her maiden name, even 60 years after marriage.
Most of my ancestors in Lanark, Orkney & Islay were
recorded in most records in the 1700s & 1800s with maiden
name only, including after they arrived in Canada, where their
headstones tend to show only the maiden name and “wife of ...”
Ken iPad
I beg to differ.......in the 1700/1800 era most
women retained their maiden names after marriage. You
will see on some census info this is so..NOT ALL, but
for example, if the woman was a Smith, she was known
as a Smith, but she was also known as the Wife of John
Doe.....on the tomb stone you will likely see his name
first, if he died first and then ‘his wife ....
Smith’. You are right to think it makes it easier for
us doing genealogy to find folks. Again, NOT all
women did this, but it was a common thing for the
woman to retain her maiden name. She was likely proud
of her forbearers. To carry the man’s name is a more
modern thing. The maiden name also denoted the Clan
or Sept of 5Clan she belonged to. Goldie
From: John Kemplen via
Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:01 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen]
McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/
Campbeltown
I don't think it is quite like that. Most married
Scottish women have, for many years, ALWAYS been
known by their married surname while they are alive
and it is ONLY on their headstones when they are
dead that they are called by their maiden surname.
Because their husband's name also tends to appear
for one reason or another on the headstone, it is
usually possible to identify them by either their
maiden or their married name. It is a relatively
modern thing, and not just in Scotland, for married
women to continue to use their maiden surname.
On 26/03/2020 22:10,
LorneandJudy wrote:
And, that is why, they are named by
their maiden name on headstones. So helpful, for us
into genealogy.
JudyAnderson
BC Canada
Hello everyone - I have found
from my Scottish ancestry that many women
retain their maiden surname even when
married which makes tracing them so much
easier, Gillie Lomax.
On Wed, 25
Mar 2020 at 03:22, Josephine Conray <javc@...>
wrote:
Hi Lola
I have
search Ancestry and Scotland
people. And found the following
information it might be yours and
it might not, but it something you
can work on.
On the 1901
Census it state Catherine McEwing,
age 44 her son Robert born 1887in
Campbeltown, he is 14 years old
and a Gardener’s Apprentice. It
seems that she used her married
name most of the time maybe it was
it was Robert or her family that
buried her under her madam name.
Hugh
Stewart born
Aug 1846/7 Teasdale / Islay Argyll
and Died year 1921 age 74 Ref/no
507/7 Cambeltown, Married 1 Dec
1885 Catherine McEwing
Hugh
parents are John Stewart 1814
Kilarrow, Argyll and Mary McCaig
b10 Dec 1816 Bowmore, Islay,
Argyll & died 2 Dec 1872
Bowmore, Argyll they had 5
Children
John
Stewart 1814 parents were Donald
Stewart & Betsy Brown. They
were married 27 Mar 1806
Killarrow, Argyll.
Catherine
McEwing born 10
May 1857 Campbeltown and died 18
May 1921 Campbeltown . Death
under the name of Catherine
McEwing, age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no
507/42 Campbeltown
Her Parents
Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828
Campbeltown , Argyll and Died14
/6/ 1888, Campbeltowm, Argyll
married 13 Dec 1853 Campbeltown
Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary
Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale,
Argyll and died 7 Nov 1895.
Joseph
parents were John McEwing 28 Jan
1807 Islay and died 22march 1869
and Flora Stevenson 1797 Islay,
died 17 Oct 1866
Mary
Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat
1793 Killean & Kilchenzie and
deid about 1851-1855 &
Margaret Gilchrist born 26 March
1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and Died
10 Aug 1861 South Beachmore,
Argyll Scotland.
I hope this
helps
Josephine
Qld Aust.
Looks like Hugh
and his wife both died in
Campbeltown in 1921.
Still trying to find out what
happened to my elusive
Grandfather, Hugh Stewart, born
1846 on Islay, married Catherine
McEwing 1885 in Campbeltown then
disappeared.
Lola Cook
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
When my great aunt died in 1975 near Ft. William, her Will was in the name of “maiden name OR married name”. She told me that she was known informally by her husband’s name, but her old friends still called her by her maiden name, even 60 years after marriage. Most of my ancestors in Lanark, Orkney & Islay were recorded in most records in the 1700s & 1800s with maiden name only, including after they arrived in Canada, where their headstones tend to show only the maiden name and “wife of ...” Ken iPad
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On Mar 26, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Goldie & Lido Doratti <lidogold2@...> wrote:
I beg to differ.......in the 1700/1800 era most women retained their maiden
names after marriage. You will see on some census info this is so..NOT
ALL, but for example, if the woman was a Smith, she was known as a Smith, but
she was also known as the Wife of John Doe.....on the tomb stone you will likely
see his name first, if he died first and then ‘his wife .... Smith’.
You are right to think it makes it easier for us doing genealogy to find
folks. Again, NOT all women did this, but it was a common thing for the
woman to retain her maiden name. She was likely proud of her
forbearers. To carry the man’s name is a more modern thing. The
maiden name also denoted the Clan or Sept of 5Clan she belonged to.
Goldie
From: John Kemplen via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:01 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/
Campbeltown
I don't think it is quite like that. Most married Scottish women have,
for many years, ALWAYS been known by their married surname while they are alive
and it is ONLY on their headstones when they are dead that they are called by
their maiden surname. Because their husband's name also tends to appear
for one reason or another on the headstone, it is usually possible to identify
them by either their maiden or their married name. It is a relatively
modern thing, and not just in Scotland, for married women to continue to use
their maiden surname.
On 26/03/2020 22:10, LorneandJudy wrote:
And, that is why, they are named by their maiden name on
headstones. So helpful, for us into genealogy.
JudyAnderson
BC Canada
Hello everyone - I have found from my Scottish ancestry that
many women retain their maiden surname even when married which makes tracing
them so much easier, Gillie Lomax.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 03:22, Josephine Conray
<javc@...> wrote:
Hi Lola
I have search Ancestry and Scotland people. And
found the following information it might be yours and it might not, but it
something you can work on.
On the 1901 Census it state Catherine McEwing,
age 44 her son Robert born 1887in Campbeltown, he is 14 years old and a
Gardener’s Apprentice. It seems that she used her married name most of the
time maybe it was it was Robert or her family that buried her under her
madam name.
Hugh Stewart born Aug 1846/7
Teasdale / Islay Argyll and Died year 1921 age 74 Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown,
Married 1 Dec 1885 Catherine McEwing
Hugh parents are John Stewart 1814 Kilarrow,
Argyll and Mary McCaig b10 Dec 1816 Bowmore, Islay, Argyll &
died 2 Dec 1872 Bowmore, Argyll they had 5 Children
John Stewart 1814 parents were Donald
Stewart & Betsy Brown. They were married 27 Mar 1806 Killarrow,
Argyll.
Catherine McEwing born 10 May
1857 Campbeltown and died 18 May 1921 Campbeltown . Death under the
name of Catherine McEwing, age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no 507/42
Campbeltown
Her Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828 Campbeltown
, Argyll and Died14 /6/ 1888, Campbeltowm, Argyll married 13 Dec
1853 Campbeltown Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale, Argyll and
died 7 Nov 1895.
Joseph parents were John McEwing 28 Jan 1807
Islay and died 22march 1869 and Flora Stevenson 1797 Islay, died 17 Oct
1866
Mary Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat 1793
Killean & Kilchenzie and deid about 1851-1855 & Margaret Gilchrist
born 26 March 1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and Died 10 Aug 1861 South
Beachmore, Argyll Scotland.
I hope this helps
Josephine
Qld Aust.
Looks like Hugh and his wife both died in Campbeltown
in 1921.
Still trying to find
out what happened to my elusive Grandfather, Hugh Stewart, born 1846 on
Islay, married Catherine McEwing 1885 in Campbeltown then
disappeared. Lola Cook
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
I beg to differ.......in the 1700/1800 era most women retained their maiden
names after marriage. You will see on some census info this is so..NOT
ALL, but for example, if the woman was a Smith, she was known as a Smith, but
she was also known as the Wife of John Doe.....on the tomb stone you will likely
see his name first, if he died first and then ‘his wife .... Smith’.
You are right to think it makes it easier for us doing genealogy to find
folks. Again, NOT all women did this, but it was a common thing for the
woman to retain her maiden name. She was likely proud of her
forbearers. To carry the man’s name is a more modern thing. The
maiden name also denoted the Clan or Sept of a Clan she belonged to.
Goldie
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To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
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Campbeltown
I don't think it is quite like that. Most married Scottish women have,
for many years, ALWAYS been known by their married surname while they are alive
and it is ONLY on their headstones when they are dead that they are called by
their maiden surname. Because their husband's name also tends to appear
for one reason or another on the headstone, it is usually possible to identify
them by either their maiden or their married name. It is a relatively
modern thing, and not just in Scotland, for married women to continue to use
their maiden surname.
On 26/03/2020 22:10, LorneandJudy wrote:
And, that is why, they are named by their maiden name on
headstones. So helpful, for us into genealogy.
JudyAnderson
BC Canada
Hello everyone - I have found from my Scottish ancestry that
many women retain their maiden surname even when married which makes tracing
them so much easier, Gillie Lomax.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 03:22, Josephine Conray
<javc@...> wrote:
Hi Lola
I have search Ancestry and Scotland people. And
found the following information it might be yours and it might not, but it
something you can work on.
On the 1901 Census it state Catherine McEwing,
age 44 her son Robert born 1887in Campbeltown, he is 14 years old and a
Gardener’s Apprentice. It seems that she used her married name most of the
time maybe it was it was Robert or her family that buried her under her
madam name.
Hugh Stewart born Aug 1846/7
Teasdale / Islay Argyll and Died year 1921 age 74 Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown,
Married 1 Dec 1885 Catherine McEwing
Hugh parents are John Stewart 1814 Kilarrow,
Argyll and Mary McCaig b10 Dec 1816 Bowmore, Islay, Argyll &
died 2 Dec 1872 Bowmore, Argyll they had 5 Children
John Stewart 1814 parents were Donald
Stewart & Betsy Brown. They were married 27 Mar 1806 Killarrow,
Argyll.
Catherine McEwing born 10 May
1857 Campbeltown and died 18 May 1921 Campbeltown . Death under the
name of Catherine McEwing, age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no 507/42
Campbeltown
Her Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828 Campbeltown
, Argyll and Died14 /6/ 1888, Campbeltowm, Argyll married 13 Dec
1853 Campbeltown Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale, Argyll and
died 7 Nov 1895.
Joseph parents were John McEwing 28 Jan 1807
Islay and died 22march 1869 and Flora Stevenson 1797 Islay, died 17 Oct
1866
Mary Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat 1793
Killean & Kilchenzie and deid about 1851-1855 & Margaret Gilchrist
born 26 March 1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and Died 10 Aug 1861 South
Beachmore, Argyll Scotland.
I hope this helps
Josephine
Qld Aust.
Looks like Hugh and his wife both died in Campbeltown
in 1921.
Still trying to find
out what happened to my elusive Grandfather, Hugh Stewart, born 1846 on
Islay, married Catherine McEwing 1885 in Campbeltown then
disappeared. Lola Cook
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
I don't think it is quite like that. Most married Scottish women
have, for many years, ALWAYS been known by their married surname
while they are alive and it is ONLY on their headstones when they
are dead that they are called by their maiden surname. Because
their husband's name also tends to appear for one reason or
another on the headstone, it is usually possible to identify them
by either their maiden or their married name. It is a relatively
modern thing, and not just in Scotland, for married women to
continue to use their maiden surname.
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On 26/03/2020 22:10, LorneandJudy
wrote:
And, that is why, they are named by their maiden name on
headstones. So helpful, for us into genealogy.
JudyAnderson
BC Canada
Hello everyone - I have found from my
Scottish ancestry that many women retain their maiden
surname even when married which makes tracing them so much
easier, Gillie Lomax.
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at
03:22, Josephine Conray < javc@...>
wrote:
Hi
Lola
I
have search Ancestry and Scotland people. And
found the following information
it might be yours and it might not, but it
something you can work on.
On
the 1901 Census it state Catherine McEwing, age
44 her son Robert born 1887in
Campbeltown, he is 14 years old and a Gardener’s
Apprentice. It seems that she
used her married name most of the time maybe it
was it was Robert or her family
that buried her under her madam name.
Hugh Stewart
born Aug 1846/7 Teasdale / Islay Argyll and Died
year 1921 age
74 Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown, Married 1 Dec 1885
Catherine McEwing
Hugh
parents are John Stewart 1814 Kilarrow, Argyll
and Mary McCaig b10 Dec 1816
Bowmore, Islay, Argyll & died 2 Dec 1872
Bowmore, Argyll they had 5
Children
John
Stewart 1814 parents were Donald Stewart &
Betsy Brown. They were married
27 Mar 1806 Killarrow, Argyll.
Catherine McEwing
born 10 May 1857 Campbeltown and died 18 May
1921 Campbeltown .
Death under the name of Catherine McEwing,
age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no 507/42
Campbeltown
Her
Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828 Campbeltown ,
Argyll and Died14 /6/ 1888, Campbeltowm,
Argyll married 13 Dec 1853 Campbeltown Argyll
Film No 1041005 to
Mary
Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale, Argyll and died 7
Nov 1895.
Joseph
parents were John McEwing 28 Jan 1807 Islay and
died 22march 1869 and Flora
Stevenson 1797 Islay, died 17 Oct 1866
Mary
Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat 1793 Killean
& Kilchenzie and deid about
1851-1855 & Margaret Gilchrist born 26 March
1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and
Died 10 Aug 1861 South Beachmore, Argyll
Scotland.
I
hope this helps
Josephine
Qld
Aust.
Looks like Hugh and his wife
both died in Campbeltown in
1921.
Still trying to find out what happened to my
elusive Grandfather, Hugh Stewart,
born 1846 on Islay, married Catherine McEwing
1885 in Campbeltown then
disappeared.
Lola Cook
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
And, that is why, they are named by their maiden name on headstones. So helpful, for us into genealogy. JudyAnderson
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On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Gillie Lomax <gillielomax365@...> wrote:
Hello everyone - I have found from my Scottish ancestry that many women retain their maiden surname even when married which makes tracing them so much easier, Gillie Lomax. On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 03:22, Josephine Conray < javc@...> wrote:
Hi
Lola
I
have search Ancestry and Scotland people. And found the following information
it might be yours and it might not, but it something you can work on.
On
the 1901 Census it state Catherine McEwing, age 44 her son Robert born 1887in
Campbeltown, he is 14 years old and a Gardener’s Apprentice. It seems that she
used her married name most of the time maybe it was it was Robert or her family
that buried her under her madam name.
Hugh Stewart born Aug 1846/7 Teasdale / Islay Argyll and Died year 1921 age
74 Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown, Married 1 Dec 1885 Catherine McEwing
Hugh
parents are John Stewart 1814 Kilarrow, Argyll and Mary McCaig b10 Dec 1816
Bowmore, Islay, Argyll & died 2 Dec 1872 Bowmore, Argyll they had 5
Children
John
Stewart 1814 parents were Donald Stewart & Betsy Brown. They were married
27 Mar 1806 Killarrow, Argyll.
Catherine McEwing born 10 May 1857 Campbeltown and died 18 May 1921 Campbeltown .
Death under the name of Catherine McEwing, age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no 507/42
Campbeltown
Her
Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828 Campbeltown , Argyll and Died14 /6/ 1888, Campbeltowm,
Argyll married 13 Dec 1853 Campbeltown Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary
Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale, Argyll and died 7 Nov 1895.
Joseph
parents were John McEwing 28 Jan 1807 Islay and died 22march 1869 and Flora
Stevenson 1797 Islay, died 17 Oct 1866
Mary
Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat 1793 Killean & Kilchenzie and deid about
1851-1855 & Margaret Gilchrist born 26 March 1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and
Died 10 Aug 1861 South Beachmore, Argyll Scotland.
I
hope this helps
Josephine
Qld
Aust.
Looks like Hugh and his wife both died in Campbeltown in
1921.
Still trying to find out what happened to my elusive Grandfather, Hugh Stewart,
born 1846 on Islay, married Catherine McEwing 1885 in Campbeltown then
disappeared.
Lola Cook
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...>
Hi,
I am following this thread, without so far having anything
meaningfull to add but John Stewart's (b 1803 Kilarrow) parents
are wrong, It is wife Mary McCUAIG b 10 Dec 1816 who had parents
Donald McCUAIG and Betty (Betsy) BROWN.
John Stewart was 47 and wife Mary McCUAIG 34 on the 1851 Census
at Port Ellen so he should be born abt or before 1803/4. Their
daughter Mary born Barrhead in 1851 died at Bowmore 10 Jan 1869.
Also, there was a Robert Steward 40 also a Tinsmith at Shore St.,
Bowmore in 1841 with wife Susanna both born Ireland, makes me
wonder if John Stewart was related.
Regards
Charles McFadyen Houston
========
On 25-Mar-20 3:22 AM, Josephine Conray
wrote:
Hi
Lola
John
Stewart 1814 parents were Donald Stewart & Betsy Brown.
They were married
27 Mar 1806 Killarrow, Argyll.
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
Hello everyone - I have found from my Scottish ancestry that many women retain their maiden surname even when married which makes tracing them so much easier, Gillie Lomax.
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 03:22, Josephine Conray < javc@...> wrote:
Hi
Lola
I
have search Ancestry and Scotland people. And found the following information
it might be yours and it might not, but it something you can work on.
On
the 1901 Census it state Catherine McEwing, age 44 her son Robert born 1887in
Campbeltown, he is 14 years old and a Gardener’s Apprentice. It seems that she
used her married name most of the time maybe it was it was Robert or her family
that buried her under her madam name.
Hugh Stewart born Aug 1846/7 Teasdale / Islay Argyll and Died year 1921 age
74 Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown, Married 1 Dec 1885 Catherine McEwing
Hugh
parents are John Stewart 1814 Kilarrow, Argyll and Mary McCaig b10 Dec 1816
Bowmore, Islay, Argyll & died 2 Dec 1872 Bowmore, Argyll they had 5
Children
John
Stewart 1814 parents were Donald Stewart & Betsy Brown. They were married
27 Mar 1806 Killarrow, Argyll.
Catherine McEwing born 10 May 1857 Campbeltown and died 18 May 1921 Campbeltown .
Death under the name of Catherine McEwing, age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no 507/42
Campbeltown
Her
Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828 Campbeltown , Argyll and Died14 /6/ 1888, Campbeltowm,
Argyll married 13 Dec 1853 Campbeltown Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary
Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale, Argyll and died 7 Nov 1895.
Joseph
parents were John McEwing 28 Jan 1807 Islay and died 22march 1869 and Flora
Stevenson 1797 Islay, died 17 Oct 1866
Mary
Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat 1793 Killean & Kilchenzie and deid about
1851-1855 & Margaret Gilchrist born 26 March 1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and
Died 10 Aug 1861 South Beachmore, Argyll Scotland.
I
hope this helps
Josephine
Qld
Aust.
Looks like Hugh and his wife both died in Campbeltown in
1921.
Still trying to find out what happened to my elusive Grandfather, Hugh Stewart,
born 1846 on Islay, married Catherine McEwing 1885 in Campbeltown then
disappeared.
Lola Cook
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown

Ardchattan @Argyll history
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Re: McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
Hi
I
am very sorry that I sent you this info. I must be getting old and it was late
Very
sorry
Josephine
Qld
Aust.
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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
[mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anne Farrar
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 6:51 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
WOW. Josephine, this is not my family but you are amazing
with the info you contribute!!!
Sent: Tuesday, March
24, 2020 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen]
McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
Hi Lola
I have search Ancestry and Scotland people. And found the
following information it might be yours and it might not, but it something you
can work on.
On the 1901 Census it state Catherine McEwing, age 44 her
son Robert born 1887in Campbeltown, he is 14 years old and a Gardener’s
Apprentice. It seems that she used her married name most of the time maybe it
was it was Robert or her family that buried her under her madam name.
Hugh Stewart born Aug 1846/7 Teasdale / Islay Argyll
and Died year 1921 age 74 Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown, Married 1 Dec 1885 Catherine
McEwing
Hugh parents are John Stewart 1814 Kilarrow, Argyll
and Mary McCaig b10 Dec 1816 Bowmore, Islay, Argyll & died 2 Dec 1872
Bowmore, Argyll they had 5 Children
John Stewart 1814 parents were Donald Stewart &
Betsy Brown. They were married 27 Mar 1806 Killarrow, Argyll.
Catherine McEwing born 10 May 1857 Campbeltown and
died 18 May 1921 Campbeltown . Death under the name of Catherine
McEwing, age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no 507/42 Campbeltown
Her Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828 Campbeltown , Argyll
and Died14 /6/ 1888, Campbeltowm, Argyll married 13 Dec 1853 Campbeltown
Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale, Argyll and died 7 Nov
1895.
Joseph parents were John McEwing 28 Jan 1807 Islay and died 22march
1869 and Flora Stevenson 1797 Islay, died 17 Oct 1866
Mary Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat 1793 Killean
& Kilchenzie and deid about 1851-1855 & Margaret Gilchrist born 26
March 1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and Died 10 Aug 1861 South Beachmore, Argyll
Scotland.
I hope this helps
Josephine
Qld Aust.
From:
Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Cas Houston
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 1:40 AM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/ Campbeltown
Looks like Hugh and his wife both died in Campbeltown in
1921.
Still trying to find out what happened to my elusive Grandfather, Hugh Stewart,
born 1846 on Islay, married Catherine McEwing 1885 in Campbeltown then
disappeared.
Lola Cook

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WOW. Josephine, this is not my family but you are amazing with the info you
contribute!!!
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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/
Campbeltown
Hi Lola
I have search Ancestry and Scotland people. And found
the following information it might be yours and it might not, but it something
you can work on.
On the 1901 Census it state Catherine McEwing, age 44
her son Robert born 1887in Campbeltown, he is 14 years old and a Gardener’s
Apprentice. It seems that she used her married name most of the time maybe it
was it was Robert or her family that buried her under her madam
name.
Hugh Stewart born Aug 1846/7
Teasdale / Islay Argyll and Died year 1921 age 74 Ref/no 507/7 Cambeltown,
Married 1 Dec 1885 Catherine McEwing
Hugh parents are John Stewart 1814 Kilarrow,
Argyll and Mary McCaig b10 Dec 1816 Bowmore, Islay, Argyll & died 2
Dec 1872 Bowmore, Argyll they had 5 Children
John Stewart 1814 parents were Donald Stewart
& Betsy Brown. They were married 27 Mar 1806 Killarrow,
Argyll.
Catherine McEwing born 10 May 1857
Campbeltown and died 18 May 1921 Campbeltown . Death under the name of
Catherine McEwing, age 64 Death 1921 Ref/no 507/42
Campbeltown
Her Parents Joseph McEwing 24/7/1828 Campbeltown ,
Argyll and Died14 /6/ 1888, Campbeltowm, Argyll married 13 Dec 1853
Campbeltown Argyll Film No 1041005 to
Mary Wallace 6 Jan 1829 Carradale, Argyll and died 7
Nov 1895.
Joseph parents were John McEwing 28 Jan 1807 Islay and
died 22march 1869 and Flora Stevenson 1797 Islay, died 17 Oct
1866
Mary Parents were John Wallace 5 Mat 1793 Killean
& Kilchenzie and deid about 1851-1855 & Margaret Gilchrist born 26 March
1802 Kilcalmonell Argyll and Died 10 Aug 1861 South Beachmore, Argyll
Scotland.
I hope this helps
Josephine
Qld Aust.
From:
Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Cas Houston Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 1:40
AM To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re:
[ScotGen] McEwing/Stewart/McCaig/Wallace—Islay/
Campbeltown
Looks like Hugh and his wife both died in Campbeltown in
1921.
Still trying to find out
what happened to my elusive Grandfather, Hugh Stewart, born 1846 on Islay,
married Catherine McEwing 1885 in Campbeltown then disappeared. Lola
Cook
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