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Re: illigitmacy

Lauraine Syrnick
 

What does RCA stand for?
LAuraine


On Feb 27, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Les Horn <leshorn44@...> wrote:

It should be noted that, in Scotland, a child born illegitimately became legitimate upon the subsequent marriage of its parents. Post 1855 this would be recorded as an RCA in the Register of Births.  This is particularly important when it comes to inheritance.

Les


Scarborough Phone Number

Margaret McNab
 

Hi Everyone,
I am trying to get in touch with a cousin who lives in Crossgates Scarborough England
I need to let her know that our cousin has passed away. It is not urgent as the funeral has already taken place. I have her address and we keep in touch but she doesn't have email and I don't have her phone number.

Apparently now there is no Trans Atlantic operator.  I have tried  Google but with no success.

Please if any one can help email me off list and I will give you the address details.
Thank You
Take Care

Margaret Ontario Canada


Re: illigitmacy

Les Horn
 

It should be noted that, in Scotland, a child born illegitimately became legitimate upon the subsequent marriage of its parents. Post 1855 this would be recorded as an RCA in the Register of Births.  This is particularly important when it comes to inheritance.

Les


Re: This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

Edie Mc
 

We all have our senior moments Lauraine
Edie

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 Feb, 2020 At 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

So sorry, Edie. Read the name wrong and it is MacGregor not MacArthur. Most annoying as I grew up in a town called MacGregor and misread it. Getting too old, I guess. ): really don’t feel that way, but when I miss the obvious have to wonder.

Lauraine


On Feb 24, 2020, at 22:08, Edie Mc <eamca1944@bigpond.com> wrote:

Hi Laauraine, I couldnt see any McArthurs , can you point us where you saw a McArthur please. It is a very interesting website and names a lot of people caught up in the diseases of he times. LIke Chloera.
Edie Mc

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 Feb, 2020 At 10:41 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

While looking up mining, came across this site which may be of interest to some of the McArthurs on this list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick


http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/468.html









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Re: handfasting

Ray Rob
 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:44 PM Jocelyn Gould <jocelyngould@...> wrote:
No, handfasting is not a myth - it was a Celtic custom done in front of
witnesses.  Cheaper than a church ceremony.

Jocelyn

On 26/02/2020 7:24 am, Lauraine Syrnick wrote:
> Am not sure about this, but was told by a Scottish lady that “hand fasting” was popular in Scotland.  Apparently that is two people could say they were married (unsure if witnesses were required) and usually until a baby was to be born shortly did not go through the formal process of marrying before a minister.  Unsure how the church dealt with this either??  A church sanctioned marriage costed money and many people did not have the funds.  If this is a myth, please let me know.
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Re: illigitmacy

Jocelyn Gould
 

Other terms for illegitimacy were 'base born', 'natural born' or 'bastard'.  It was always noted in the register one way or another.

Jocelyn

On 26/02/2020 7:53 am, Carolyn Perkes wrote:
There is an explanation of "irregular" marriages (marriages by declaration) here:


Carolyn
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Re: handfasting

Jocelyn Gould
 

No, handfasting is not a myth - it was a Celtic custom done in front of witnesses.  Cheaper than a church ceremony.

Jocelyn

On 26/02/2020 7:24 am, Lauraine Syrnick wrote:
Am not sure about this, but was told by a Scottish lady that “hand fasting” was popular in Scotland. Apparently that is two people could say they were married (unsure if witnesses were required) and usually until a baby was to be born shortly did not go through the formal process of marrying before a minister. Unsure how the church dealt with this either?? A church sanctioned marriage costed money and many people did not have the funds. If this is a myth, please let me know.

Lauraine



Re: illigitmacy

Carolyn Perkes <cperkes@...>
 

There is an explanation of "irregular" marriages (marriages by declaration) here:

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/article/irregular-marriage-scotland

Carolyn

On 25/02/20 16:24, Lauraine Syrnick <lauraine.syrnick@...> wrote:
Am not sure about this, but was told by a Scottish lady that “hand fasting” was popular in Scotland.  Apparently that is two people could say they were married (unsure if witnesses were required) and usually until a baby was to be born shortly did not go through the formal process of marrying before a minister.  Unsure how the church dealt with this either??  A church sanctioned marriage costed money and many people did not have the funds.  If this is a myth, please let me know.

Lauraine


On Feb 25, 2020, at 1:47, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@...> wrote:

> The use of the word “illegitimate” was discontinued after 1918.
> Judy ANderson nee Stables
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Edie Mc <eamca1944@...> wrote:
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>> I do have an illegitimate child born 1850 and it does say Illegitimate and have seen others that early as illigitmate as well.
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>> To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
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>> Subject: [ScotGen] illigitmacy
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>> Hmm - no so sure I agree with you.  In the 1890-1900, an illegitimate child is definitely noted on its birth certificate as “illegitimate"
>> aa there is one in my family (that I know of).  I will do some research on this so thanks for bringing it up.
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Re: illigitmacy

Lauraine Syrnick
 

Am not sure about this, but was told by a Scottish lady that “hand fasting” was popular in Scotland. Apparently that is two people could say they were married (unsure if witnesses were required) and usually until a baby was to be born shortly did not go through the formal process of marrying before a minister. Unsure how the church dealt with this either?? A church sanctioned marriage costed money and many people did not have the funds. If this is a myth, please let me know.

Lauraine

On Feb 25, 2020, at 1:47, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@shaw.ca> wrote:

The use of the word “illegitimate” was discontinued after 1918.
Judy ANderson nee Stables
On Feb 24, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Edie Mc <eamca1944@bigpond.com> wrote:

I do have an illegitimate child born 1850 and it does say Illegitimate and have seen others that early as illigitmate as well.
Edie Mc

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 25 Feb, 2020 At 11:40 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] illigitmacy


Hmm - no so sure I agree with you. In the 1890-1900, an illegitimate child is definitely noted on its birth certificate as “illegitimate"
aa there is one in my family (that I know of). I will do some research on this so thanks for bringing it up.

Lauraine









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Re: illigitmacy

DixieAC
 

Interesting. Did they replace it with something or just give name of mom and — if known — the father?
Dixie Cutler

On Feb 24, 2020, at 11:47 PM, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@shaw.ca> wrote:

The use of the word “illegitimate” was discontinued after 1918.
Judy ANderson nee Stables
On Feb 24, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Edie Mc <eamca1944@bigpond.com> wrote:

I do have an illegitimate child born 1850 and it does say Illegitimate and have seen others that early as illigitmate as well.
Edie Mc

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 25 Feb, 2020 At 11:40 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] illigitmacy


Hmm - no so sure I agree with you. In the 1890-1900, an illegitimate child is definitely noted on its birth certificate as “illegitimate"
aa there is one in my family (that I know of). I will do some research on this so thanks for bringing it up.

Lauraine









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EdieMc





Re: illigitmacy

LorneandJudy
 

The use of the word “illegitimate” was discontinued after 1918.
Judy ANderson nee Stables

On Feb 24, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Edie Mc <eamca1944@bigpond.com> wrote:

I do have an illegitimate child born 1850 and it does say Illegitimate and have seen others that early as illigitmate as well.
Edie Mc

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 25 Feb, 2020 At 11:40 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] illigitmacy


Hmm - no so sure I agree with you. In the 1890-1900, an illegitimate child is definitely noted on its birth certificate as “illegitimate"
aa there is one in my family (that I know of). I will do some research on this so thanks for bringing it up.

Lauraine









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EdieMc



Re: This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

Lauraine Syrnick
 

So sorry, Edie. Read the name wrong and it is MacGregor not MacArthur. Most annoying as I grew up in a town called MacGregor and misread it. Getting too old, I guess. ): really don’t feel that way, but when I miss the obvious have to wonder.

Lauraine

On Feb 24, 2020, at 22:08, Edie Mc <eamca1944@bigpond.com> wrote:

Hi Laauraine, I couldnt see any McArthurs , can you point us where you saw a McArthur please. It is a very interesting website and names a lot of people caught up in the diseases of he times. LIke Chloera.
Edie Mc

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 Feb, 2020 At 10:41 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

While looking up mining, came across this site which may be of interest to some of the McArthurs on this list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick


http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/468.html









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EdieMc



Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

DixieAC
 

You missed “base born” ;-)


On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:23 PM, inverkip@... wrote:

In the OPR's (Old Parochial Registers), pre-1855, Lawful son or daughter would be a child born to a married couple. A Natural son or daughter is a nice way of saying illegitimate. Recommend check Scotlandsplaces.gov.uk Renfrewshire OS name books, vol. 02, 1856-1857. This lists all named properties and features. These correspond with the maps for those years. Freecen.org.uk is a good place to check also, 100% of Renfrewshire has been transcribed 1841-71.


Re: This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

Edie Mc
 

Hi Laauraine, I couldnt see any McArthurs , can you point us where you saw a McArthur please. It is a very interesting website and names a lot of people caught up in the diseases of he times. LIke Chloera.
Edie Mc

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 Feb, 2020 At 10:41 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

While looking up mining, came across this site which may be of interest to some of the McArthurs on this list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick


http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/468.html









--
EdieMc


Re: illigitmacy

Edie Mc
 

I do have an illegitimate child born 1850 and it does say Illegitimate and have seen others that early as illigitmate as well.
Edie Mc

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@gmail.com>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 25 Feb, 2020 At 11:40 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] illigitmacy


Hmm - no so sure I agree with you. In the 1890-1900, an illegitimate child is definitely noted on its birth certificate as “illegitimate"
aa there is one in my family (that I know of). I will do some research on this so thanks for bringing it up.

Lauraine









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EdieMc


Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

Edie Mc
 

Thank you for your input. I did just recently a a fortnight ago, printout some of the Cathcart Farms from the website yousuggested as someon on the list had also suggested it. But I need to study them.  I think I was looking for familiar names of people.  Did note a Revd Smith, since I am short of a mother Margaret Smith for our John who was a Lay preacher over here. I was hoping there had been anconnection there.  So far havent found any firm Smiths in our ancestry.com matches as yet nor  any firm McArthurs.  Found McArthurs in matches trees, but not necessarily to do with us. Can only see one Cathcart John McArthur 1828 in the 1851 census, but on Scotlnds people it is Cartsdyke not Cathcart. That is where the Lawful son came into it as we had looked on Scotlands People and fouud a Duncan McArthur but with a Janet  Workman and I had wondered if she may have been a second wife to Duncan and Margaret had died.  So I looked for the birth of the John and it said he was the lawful son of Duncan  and Janet McArthur.  So that was that. I thought hat maybe it meant adopte, but  i dont think there were adoptions that early.  I know folk fostered and men also gave  stepchildren their surnames and all that sort of thing. I will check that volume again to see if it is the one I printed or another one.
Thanks again
Edie McArthur



------ Original Message ------
From: inverkip@...
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Monday, 24 Feb, 2020 At 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

In the OPR's (Old Parochial Registers), pre-1855, Lawful son or daughter would be a child born to a married couple. A Natural son or daughter is a nice way of saying illegitimate. Recommend check Scotlandsplaces.gov.uk Renfrewshire OS name books, vol. 02, 1856-1857. This lists all named properties and features. These correspond with the maps for those years. Freecen.org.uk is a good place to check also, 100% of Renfrewshire has been transcribed 1841-71.    

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illigitmacy

Lauraine Syrnick
 

Hmm - no so sure I agree with you. In the 1890-1900, an illegitimate child is definitely noted on its birth certificate as “illegitimate"
aa there is one in my family (that I know of). I will do some research on this so thanks for bringing it up.

Lauraine


Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

inverkip@...
 

In the OPR's (Old Parochial Registers), pre-1855, Lawful son or daughter would be a child born to a married couple. A Natural son or daughter is a nice way of saying illegitimate. Recommend check Scotlandsplaces.gov.uk Renfrewshire OS name books, vol. 02, 1856-1857. This lists all named properties and features. These correspond with the maps for those years. Freecen.org.uk is a good place to check also, 100% of Renfrewshire has been transcribed 1841-71.


This site may be of interest to some of the McArthurs

Lauraine Syrnick
 

While looking up mining, came across this site which may be of interest to some of the McArthurs on this list.

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick


http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/468.html


Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Robert McArthur
 

Hi Josephine,

Thanks for the interesting census record, but can’t be my g-g-g-grandparents. Daniel was born in 1741 and Jennette in 1752. They were married and came to America in about 1774, and all of their children were born in North Carolina. Jennette’s maiden name was also McArthur. One of my distant cousins still owns part of their original land patent in North Carolina, not far from Wilmington.

Bob McArthur

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Josephine Conray <javc@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:57:43 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay
 

Hi

 

Not sure if this is your family. I think that Daniel and Janette (do you know her last name)  went to USA before the 1770’s as there is a 12 Aug 1870 Census with Daniel McArthur age 65 B 1805 Scotland farmer White and Janette. They are living with Alexander McArthur and his wife Mary  

 

And Kate McPherson and her son Robert domestic servant.

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of rhmcar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2020 5:26 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

 

I’d like to hear from anyone with knowledge about my great-great-great grandparents Daniel and Jennette McArthur, who emigrated from Scotland to North Carolina in America in the 1770s. They claimed to have come from Islay. Although there is abundant information about their descendants, I know nothing of their background, and to date I have not identified any of their Scottish ancestry. A few years ago Roger McWee told me he had found some data on Daniel, but no information linking him to any farm or town. I frequently receive Family Tree notifications of y-dna matches, including some strong Nordic, Isle of Mull, and Scottish mainland matches, but so far nothing with a definite link to Islay, and nothing identifying a common direct ancestor. I have seen trees indicating that Daniel’s parents were named John McArthur and Jean Hair, but no supporting evidence of that. Family Finder has been useful in helping me find some relatives, mainly distant cousins here in America. I have uploaded my dna information to Gedmatch (kit T894735) and am in process of deciphering the match information in that database (looks like a long learning curve).

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