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Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Robert McArthur
 

I haven’t yet upgraded from Y67, but will likely do so soon. I’ve posted a rudimentary family tree on FT family finder, identifying all my direct ancestors I could identify. Daniel McArthur (1741-1819) and Jennette McArthur (1752-1852) were married in the early 1770s, and emigrated to North Carolina in 1774 where all their children were born. Both Daniel and Jennette are buried in North Carolina.

 

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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Edie Mc <eamca1944@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:38:33 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>; Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay
 
That sounds like some sort of cousin match, doesn't it  Bob. All 67 markers is a close family member. I wonder if you were to do the Y111 marker if it will help you out. It did us.  My brothers DNA as well.  We started with the Y67,  a lot of different names to three with the Y111. Sounds like he would be a 0 step which is a perfect match. that is how I understand it.  An autosomal may yield some other s belonging to the Daniela add Jeanette line. that helped us as well as I was able to find a third cousin match and we matched my second great grandparents.  That wasn't evident with just the All male line YDNA. You may already have tested with ancestry as well though.  Did Scotlands People give you any clues as to when they were married or have any children which could give you a clue on a time frame. Family search can be handy these days as well.

Hope you find the information you need.
regards
Edie Mc



------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert McArthur" <rhmcar@...>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, 21 Feb, 2020 At 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Hello Edie. Yes, I’ve tested at the Y67 level on Family Tree, kit 161122. I matched with one person on all 67 markers, but he was unaware of an Islay connection and we have no idea who our common ancestor is, though it’s probably just a  generation or two before Daniel. I’m guessing that Daniel and Jennette emigrated to America as displaced renters, but I don’t have proof and am unable to find them on any ship registry. In fact I have no information at all about them pre-emigration.

 

Bob McArthur

 

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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Edie Mc <eamca1944@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 6:26:46 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>; Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay
 
H Robert and other McArthurMacArthurs ..  My former husband also Robert or user name RobMcA on ancestry.com who like two of our sons Malcolm and Glenn have been DNA tested with Familytreedna at the Y67, Y111 and Big Y700 level.  They havent a McArthur  match as yet but five branches of the McArthur lineage, so it would seem. several MacDonalds, MacNeil, Mackay, Carmichael, Campbell and Monro/Munro, between nine member still standing at the Y111 level. There were several other names at the Y67 level.
abut 45 anmes except for nine were flushed out as false positives. The father Rob and sons are 0 step level which on familytreedna is the closest level, but our closest outside of immediate family is 8 steps.  This is with a William MacDonald born c1766  at Farr, Sutherland and all others are for the Caithness areas and one the Isle of Lismore which is a Carmichael. I note this William on ancestry.com in the public trees but don't know if they have done the ancestry DNA. Have you tested with any of the companies  Robert?

I am trying to understand this.  We have joined both the Arthur project on familytreedna and are at the top matching a MacDonald no match with any of the other McArthur.  on the Scottish project no matches there with McArthur, so one of the men left although  we really need to have a much closer match to have any real idea of which of the surnames or Clansmen have used the McArthur name and when and why.

We will no doubt get more matches if more men would only do YDNA  direct male line tests and an autosomal test. Since we have matches of other names it is clear one of those have either stolen, inherited, or has been adopted by  the McArthur's.  My eldest  son Glenn Y67 marker, says the McArthurs were without a Clan Chief for over two hundred years.  Do you know the history and I believe the King may have murdered the McArthur Chief or something like that.  We would like to get our head around when this name  change took place.  It isn't a matter of waiting until our McArthur does a DNA test as we do have matches and none are McArthur. We know too it is common among the Highlanders they had a different naming system. Frustrating.

 What do you know about the hsitory when the fueds were going on or the clearances when land was taken from the McAthurs etc. I have a date-line of the Clearances. The double sided sheet was inside a manilla folder at our public libraryin Tasmania and  I printed it out, it i very interesting.

Our John McArthur born c1828 was living down in Cathcart Renfrewshire in 1856, just prior to his marriage.  Our DNA locations are Halkirk, Reay in Caithness, Isle of Lismore and Farr in Sutherland.  Most are in the Caithness area. I thought someone had  said that wasnt really a MacDonald stronghold. I have seen a Duncan McArthur in the Bredalbane 1767 )too early for ours I think,) Ordnance survey and Johns father was a Duncan McArthur and mother Margaret Smith.  neither the McArthur or the Smiths are coming  through in ancestry at the moment or ftdna for McArthur. I did see something, I dismissed at the time, in something I read over here  where in relation to John McArthur.  The article said John McArthur of Breadalbane.  As we had one over here and I knew ours  did not live in Breadalbane over here, I started wondering if he was born in Breadalbane, North Perthshire, Scotland.  I need to start in Renfrewshire and work back somehow.

regards
Edie McArthur for Robbie, Glenn and Malcolm McArthur and Sue who also has a ancestry dna test. 5 out of six including me have been tested. Tehe other son isnt sure and really it isnt needed unless with another company.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert McArthur" <rhmcar@...>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, 20 Feb, 2020 At 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Yes, I am Robert Hall McArthur. Glad to see supporting evidence of the Islay connection. Incidentally, Jennette’s maiden name was also McArthur.

 



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AULD, ORR, NEILL, Mc&MacDONALD, HENDRIE (HENDRY), HENDERSON, SWAN, KEIR (KIER), LEAN (Others SMITH ,WILSON, COKE, STEEL)

Glennis Austin
 

Hi Everyone

This is a detailed followup to my brief family outline of 19 January covering Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Isle of Tiree, Midlothian and Fife. The relevant paragraphs have also been posted to their respective old Rootsweb and new Groups.io lists.

Names of interest Ayrshire and Lanarkshire:

Robert AULD married 1808 Isabel/Isabella ORR in Kilmaurs, Ayrshire. Their children were Robert, Thomas (m. NEILL), Isabel, Hugh, Marion, Janet and Barbara. According to a Kilmaurs 1828 multiple baptismal entry the father had deserted the family.

Thomas AULD living in Failford Ayrshire married 1842 Janet NEILL in Tarbolton.  Janet died 1890 in Kilmarnock and Thomas 1893 in Govan. Nine children were baptised in Tarbolton - Robert (m. McDONALD), Agnes Finlay (m. HENDRIE), William Neill, Thomas, George Neill, James Neill, Thomas, Janet and Hugh, the youngest George was baptised 1866 in Kilmarnock.  Janet NEILL was the eldest child of William NEILL and Agnes FIN(D)LAY.  Janet's siblings - William, George, Robert x 2, Elizabeth, James and Agnes, all born at Coilsfield and baptised in Tarbolton.

Agnes Finlay AULD married 1867 Thomas HENDRIE in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. A son Thomas HENDRY was the grandson of Thomas AULD (above) and the informant of his 1893 death in Govan.  Thomas HENDRY was living in Glasgow 1901 may have married Annie and had three children between 1895-99.

**** Robert AULD married 1863 Catharine McDONALD in Stonehouse, Lanarkshire. Their four children were baptised in Stonehouse, Bothwell and the two younger ones in Dalziel - Thomas (m. Martha Ann SMITH in NZ), Neil McDonald, Euphemia McDonald (m. LEAN) and Janet. Catharine McDONALD, was born in Kenovay, Isle of Tiree to Neill McDONALD (d. 1838/39) and Euphemia (Effy) MacDONALD, as were her siblings Janet and Niel.

Robert AULD and Catharine McDONALD died in Motherwell 1873 and the children went to live with family or were adopted by neighbours as follows.

Thomas AULD came to New Zealand in 1879 as Thomas Auld SMITH, son of Motherwell neighbours Adam SMITH and Sophia WILSON (second relationship for both) and two of their children Adam (m. KNOCK in NZ) and Jane Bell (m. REISIMA and ADAMSON in NZ), an older son John remained in Scotland. The ship was met in Napier by two other children James Bell SMITH (m. MUMFORD in NZ) and Sophia (m. 1870 Robert RUSSELL in Dalziel). Thomas continued using the SMITH name including on NZ Electoral Rolls until at least 1893, then reverted to Thomas AULD.  The association with descendants of his adopted family continues today.

Neil McDonald AULD is a mystery.  In 1881 he appears to be living as the adopted nephew of Janet COKE in Bothwell.  At some stage he has changed his name, dying in Pollok, Glasgow in 1945 as James STEEL (formerly Neil AULD), Robert AULD and Catharine McDONALD his parents.

Euphemia McDonald AULD (d. 1918) went to live with her grandparents Thomas AULD and Janet NEILL in Kilmarnock.  She married James Reid LEAN (d. 1914). There were two children who eventually came to New Zealand, perhaps to be with their uncle Thomas and his family.

Janet AULD it is unknown what happened to the youngest child of Robert and Catharine.


Names of interest Isle of Tiree:

Niel McDONALD (d1838/39), a tailor married 1834 Euphemia (Effy) MacDONALD in Kenovay.  Three children were baptised in Kenovay between 1834-38 - Janet, Catharine and Niel.  In 1841 Euphemia and her children may be living in Kenovay with Lily McDONALD age 60 a cotter and others.  Perhaps her siblings and mother?  No further conclusive information about the family has been found in Tiree.

Catharine McDONALD married Robert AULD from Failford, Ayrshire, in Stonehouse, Lanarkshire in 1863.......
**** To avoid repetition of details please refer back to the paragraph (Robert AULD married 1863 Catharine McDONALD in Stonehouse, Lanarkshire) in the previous Ayrshire/Lanarkshire section for continuing family details ****


Names of interest Midlothian and Fife:

William SWAN married 1822 in Lasswade Ann HENDERSON (d. 1851). There were eight children, some baptisms found in Liberton,
Elizabeth, Nancy, William jnr, Ann, Cecil, James and Christina (m. McGILL & BALLOCH/BALLOCK), thanks to Archie GILBERT for his SWAN input. By 1861 William, snr and jnr, Christina and possibly others, were living in Burdiehouse. The youngest child Francis (Fanny) Gordon SWAN (m. HENDERSON in NZ) was born in Straiton, Midlothian, came to New Zealand abt 1864 and married 1866 George HENDERSON in Oamaru.

James HENDERSON married 1838 in Torryburn, Fife Catherine KEIR(KIER). Only two children located so far baptised in Dunfermline - Margaret Mathewson and George (m. SWAN in NZ). I have yet to locate the family in earlier Census, but in 1881 Catherine is in Dunfermline and 1891 in Crossford, which might be where she was born abt 1815, her parents may be Peter KEIR and Margaret MATHEWSON who married in 1803.  James died pre-1881 Census and Catherine 1896 in Dunfermline.

Margaret Mathewson HENDERSON has not been found to date
George HENDERSON also came to New Zealand abt 1864 marrying 1866 Francis Gordon SWAN in Oamaru. There were 11 children.

Thank you for reading.
Kind regards
Glennis  
New Zealand
(glennis.austin@...)


Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Josephine Conray
 

Hi

 

Not sure if this is your family. I think that Daniel and Janette (do you know her last name)  went to USA before the 1770’s as there is a 12 Aug 1870 Census with Daniel McArthur age 65 B 1805 Scotland farmer White and Janette. They are living with Alexander McArthur and his wife Mary  

 

And Kate McPherson and her son Robert domestic servant.

 

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of rhmcar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2020 5:26 AM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

 

I’d like to hear from anyone with knowledge about my great-great-great grandparents Daniel and Jennette McArthur, who emigrated from Scotland to North Carolina in America in the 1770s. They claimed to have come from Islay. Although there is abundant information about their descendants, I know nothing of their background, and to date I have not identified any of their Scottish ancestry. A few years ago Roger McWee told me he had found some data on Daniel, but no information linking him to any farm or town. I frequently receive Family Tree notifications of y-dna matches, including some strong Nordic, Isle of Mull, and Scottish mainland matches, but so far nothing with a definite link to Islay, and nothing identifying a common direct ancestor. I have seen trees indicating that Daniel’s parents were named John McArthur and Jean Hair, but no supporting evidence of that. Family Finder has been useful in helping me find some relatives, mainly distant cousins here in America. I have uploaded my dna information to Gedmatch (kit T894735) and am in process of deciphering the match information in that database (looks like a long learning curve).


Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Edie Mc
 

That sounds like some sort of cousin match, doesn't it  Bob. All 67 markers is a close family member. I wonder if you were to do the Y111 marker if it will help you out. It did us.  My brothers DNA as well.  We started with the Y67,  a lot of different names to three with the Y111. Sounds like he would be a 0 step which is a perfect match. that is how I understand it.  An autosomal may yield some other s belonging to the Daniela add Jeanette line. that helped us as well as I was able to find a third cousin match and we matched my second great grandparents.  That wasn't evident with just the All male line YDNA. You may already have tested with ancestry as well though.  Did Scotlands People give you any clues as to when they were married or have any children which could give you a clue on a time frame. Family search can be handy these days as well.

Hope you find the information you need.
regards
Edie Mc



------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert McArthur" <rhmcar@...>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, 21 Feb, 2020 At 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Hello Edie. Yes, I’ve tested at the Y67 level on Family Tree, kit 161122. I matched with one person on all 67 markers, but he was unaware of an Islay connection and we have no idea who our common ancestor is, though it’s probably just a  generation or two before Daniel. I’m guessing that Daniel and Jennette emigrated to America as displaced renters, but I don’t have proof and am unable to find them on any ship registry. In fact I have no information at all about them pre-emigration.

 

Bob McArthur

 

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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Edie Mc <eamca1944@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 6:26:46 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>; Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay
 
H Robert and other McArthurMacArthurs ..  My former husband also Robert or user name RobMcA on ancestry.com who like two of our sons Malcolm and Glenn have been DNA tested with Familytreedna at the Y67, Y111 and Big Y700 level.  They havent a McArthur  match as yet but five branches of the McArthur lineage, so it would seem. several MacDonalds, MacNeil, Mackay, Carmichael, Campbell and Monro/Munro, between nine member still standing at the Y111 level. There were several other names at the Y67 level.
abut 45 anmes except for nine were flushed out as false positives. The father Rob and sons are 0 step level which on familytreedna is the closest level, but our closest outside of immediate family is 8 steps.  This is with a William MacDonald born c1766  at Farr, Sutherland and all others are for the Caithness areas and one the Isle of Lismore which is a Carmichael. I note this William on ancestry.com in the public trees but don't know if they have done the ancestry DNA. Have you tested with any of the companies  Robert?

I am trying to understand this.  We have joined both the Arthur project on familytreedna and are at the top matching a MacDonald no match with any of the other McArthur.  on the Scottish project no matches there with McArthur, so one of the men left although  we really need to have a much closer match to have any real idea of which of the surnames or Clansmen have used the McArthur name and when and why.

We will no doubt get more matches if more men would only do YDNA  direct male line tests and an autosomal test. Since we have matches of other names it is clear one of those have either stolen, inherited, or has been adopted by  the McArthur's.  My eldest  son Glenn Y67 marker, says the McArthurs were without a Clan Chief for over two hundred years.  Do you know the history and I believe the King may have murdered the McArthur Chief or something like that.  We would like to get our head around when this name  change took place.  It isn't a matter of waiting until our McArthur does a DNA test as we do have matches and none are McArthur. We know too it is common among the Highlanders they had a different naming system. Frustrating.

 What do you know about the hsitory when the fueds were going on or the clearances when land was taken from the McAthurs etc. I have a date-line of the Clearances. The double sided sheet was inside a manilla folder at our public libraryin Tasmania and  I printed it out, it i very interesting.

Our John McArthur born c1828 was living down in Cathcart Renfrewshire in 1856, just prior to his marriage.  Our DNA locations are Halkirk, Reay in Caithness, Isle of Lismore and Farr in Sutherland.  Most are in the Caithness area. I thought someone had  said that wasnt really a MacDonald stronghold. I have seen a Duncan McArthur in the Bredalbane 1767 )too early for ours I think,) Ordnance survey and Johns father was a Duncan McArthur and mother Margaret Smith.  neither the McArthur or the Smiths are coming  through in ancestry at the moment or ftdna for McArthur. I did see something, I dismissed at the time, in something I read over here  where in relation to John McArthur.  The article said John McArthur of Breadalbane.  As we had one over here and I knew ours  did not live in Breadalbane over here, I started wondering if he was born in Breadalbane, North Perthshire, Scotland.  I need to start in Renfrewshire and work back somehow.

regards
Edie McArthur for Robbie, Glenn and Malcolm McArthur and Sue who also has a ancestry dna test. 5 out of six including me have been tested. Tehe other son isnt sure and really it isnt needed unless with another company.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert McArthur" <rhmcar@...>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, 20 Feb, 2020 At 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Yes, I am Robert Hall McArthur. Glad to see supporting evidence of the Islay connection. Incidentally, Jennette’s maiden name was also McArthur.

 



--
EdieMc  
     

--
EdieMc


Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Robert McArthur
 

Hello Edie. Yes, I’ve tested at the Y67 level on Family Tree, kit 161122. I matched with one person on all 67 markers, but he was unaware of an Islay connection and we have no idea who our common ancestor is, though it’s probably just a generation or two before Daniel. I’m guessing that Daniel and Jennette emigrated to America as displaced renters, but I don’t have proof and am unable to find them on any ship registry. In fact I have no information at all about them pre-emigration.

 

Bob McArthur

 

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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Edie Mc <eamca1944@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 6:26:46 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>; Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay
 
H Robert and other McArthurMacArthurs ..  My former husband also Robert or user name RobMcA on ancestry.com who like two of our sons Malcolm and Glenn have been DNA tested with Familytreedna at the Y67, Y111 and Big Y700 level.  They havent a McArthur match as yet but five branches of the McArthur lineage, so it would seem. several MacDonalds, MacNeil, Mackay, Carmichael, Campbell and Monro/Munro, between nine member still standing at the Y111 level. There were several other names at the Y67 level.
abut 45 anmes except for nine were flushed out as false positives. The father Rob and sons are 0 step level which on familytreedna is the closest level, but our closest outside of immediate family is 8 steps.  This is with a William MacDonald born c1766 at Farr, Sutherland and all others are for the Caithness areas and one the Isle of Lismore which is a Carmichael. I note this William on ancestry.com in the public trees but don't know if they have done the ancestry DNA. Have you tested with any of the companies Robert?

I am trying to understand this.  We have joined both the Arthur project on familytreedna and are at the top matching a MacDonald no match with any of the other McArthur.  on the Scottish project no matches there with McArthur, so one of the men left although we really need to have a much closer match to have any real idea of which of the surnames or Clansmen have used the McArthur name and when and why.

We will no doubt get more matches if more men would only do YDNA  direct male line tests and an autosomal test. Since we have matches of other names it is clear one of those have either stolen, inherited, or has been adopted by  the McArthur's.  My eldest son Glenn Y67 marker, says the McArthurs were without a Clan Chief for over two hundred years.  Do you know the history and I believe the King may have murdered the McArthur Chief or something like that.  We would like to get our head around when this name change took place.  It isn't a matter of waiting until our McArthur does a DNA test as we do have matches and none are McArthur. We know too it is common among the Highlanders they had a different naming system. Frustrating.

 What do you know about the hsitory when the fueds were going on or the clearances when land was taken from the McAthurs etc. I have a date-line of the Clearances. The double sided sheet was inside a manilla folder at our public libraryin Tasmania and I printed it out, it i very interesting.

Our John McArthur born c1828 was living down in Cathcart Renfrewshire in 1856, just prior to his marriage.  Our DNA locations are Halkirk, Reay in Caithness, Isle of Lismore and Farr in Sutherland.  Most are in the Caithness area. I thought someone had said that wasnt really a MacDonald stronghold. I have seen a Duncan McArthur in the Bredalbane 1767 )too early for ours I think,) Ordnance survey and Johns father was a Duncan McArthur and mother Margaret Smith.  neither the McArthur or the Smiths are coming through in ancestry at the moment or ftdna for McArthur. I did see something, I dismissed at the time, in something I read over here  where in relation to John McArthur.  The article said John McArthur of Breadalbane.  As we had one over here and I knew ours did not live in Breadalbane over here, I started wondering if he was born in Breadalbane, North Perthshire, Scotland.  I need to start in Renfrewshire and work back somehow.

regards
Edie McArthur for Robbie, Glenn and Malcolm McArthur and Sue who also has a ancestry dna test. 5 out of six including me have been tested. Tehe other son isnt sure and really it isnt needed unless with another company.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert McArthur" <rhmcar@...>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, 20 Feb, 2020 At 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Yes, I am Robert Hall McArthur. Glad to see supporting evidence of the Islay connection. Incidentally, Jennette’s maiden name was also McArthur.

 



--
EdieMc


Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Edie Mc
 

H Robert and other McArthurMacArthurs ..  My former husband also Robert or user name RobMcA on ancestry.com who like two of our sons Malcolm and Glenn have been DNA tested with Familytreedna at the Y67, Y111 and Big Y700 level.  They havent a McArthur match as yet but five branches of the McArthur lineage, so it would seem. several MacDonalds, MacNeil, Mackay, Carmichael, Campbell and Monro/Munro, between nine member still standing at the Y111 level. There were several other names at the Y67 level.
abut 45 anmes except for nine were flushed out as false positives. The father Rob and sons are 0 step level which on familytreedna is the closest level, but our closest outside of immediate family is 8 steps.  This is with a William MacDonald born c1766 at Farr, Sutherland and all others are for the Caithness areas and one the Isle of Lismore which is a Carmichael. I note this William on ancestry.com in the public trees but don't know if they have done the ancestry DNA. Have you tested with any of the companies Robert?

I am trying to understand this.  We have joined both the Arthur project on familytreedna and are at the top matching a MacDonald no match with any of the other McArthur.  on the Scottish project no matches there with McArthur, so one of the men left although we really need to have a much closer match to have any real idea of which of the surnames or Clansmen have used the McArthur name and when and why.

We will no doubt get more matches if more men would only do YDNA  direct male line tests and an autosomal test. Since we have matches of other names it is clear one of those have either stolen, inherited, or has been adopted by  the McArthur's.  My eldest son Glenn Y67 marker, says the McArthurs were without a Clan Chief for over two hundred years.  Do you know the history and I believe the King may have murdered the McArthur Chief or something like that.  We would like to get our head around when this name change took place.  It isn't a matter of waiting until our McArthur does a DNA test as we do have matches and none are McArthur. We know too it is common among the Highlanders they had a different naming system. Frustrating.

 What do you know about the hsitory when the fueds were going on or the clearances when land was taken from the McAthurs etc. I have a date-line of the Clearances. The double sided sheet was inside a manilla folder at our public libraryin Tasmania and I printed it out, it i very interesting.

Our John McArthur born c1828 was living down in Cathcart Renfrewshire in 1856, just prior to his marriage.  Our DNA locations are Halkirk, Reay in Caithness, Isle of Lismore and Farr in Sutherland.  Most are in the Caithness area. I thought someone had said that wasnt really a MacDonald stronghold. I have seen a Duncan McArthur in the Bredalbane 1767 )too early for ours I think,) Ordnance survey and Johns father was a Duncan McArthur and mother Margaret Smith.  neither the McArthur or the Smiths are coming through in ancestry at the moment or ftdna for McArthur. I did see something, I dismissed at the time, in something I read over here  where in relation to John McArthur.  The article said John McArthur of Breadalbane.  As we had one over here and I knew ours did not live in Breadalbane over here, I started wondering if he was born in Breadalbane, North Perthshire, Scotland.  I need to start in Renfrewshire and work back somehow.

regards
Edie McArthur for Robbie, Glenn and Malcolm McArthur and Sue who also has a ancestry dna test. 5 out of six including me have been tested. Tehe other son isnt sure and really it isnt needed unless with another company.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert McArthur" <rhmcar@...>
To: "Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io" <Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, 20 Feb, 2020 At 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Yes, I am Robert Hall McArthur. Glad to see supporting evidence of the Islay connection. Incidentally, Jennette’s maiden name was also McArthur.

 



--
EdieMc


Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Robert McArthur
 

Yes, I am Robert Hall McArthur. Glad to see supporting evidence of the Islay connection. Incidentally, Jennette’s maiden name was also McArthur.

 

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Re: Surname interests

Jim Walker
 

Hello:

I have all those surnames but without attached birth dates and / or cities impossible to connect. Also if U put surnames in capitol letters much easier to scan over faster.

Regards,

Jim Walker Sr.

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On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 03:16:59 PM PST, Edie Mc <eamca1944@...> wrote:


Hi Julie,
We have Lang/Laing and Robertson, Dougal, Walker all connected to each other, but for the Redding, Wallacestone, area of Polmont , Stirklingshire.  One of ours David Laing, with his wife Isobel//Isabella  Hay and some of his family emigrated to New Zealand in the 1860's from Scotland. We havent found any Laing matches in our DNA on ancestry as yet other than one David Laing who doesnt reply.  I think he maybe has same problem as for our McArthurs and cannot match anyone.  NO with the name McArthur at least. with our McArthur we do have  matches with familytreedna but not the Mcarthu rname, so wondering if that is his problem as well..  We have Laing back to a William Laing/Land, Seaman no birth and nomarriage, but had three children with Elizabeth Dougal in 1804, David, William and Thomas Livingston Laing, the last born 1814.

Not much help to you but, thought I would let you know we do have some Laing/Laing, it was my late mother in laws maiden name. Her gret grandparents were James Robertson Laing and Jean/Jane Bennie of Polmont Stirling,Scotland they arrived in Tasmania 1857.
regards
Edie McArthur



------ Original Message ------
From: "Julie Ryde" <julzeem61@...>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 18 Feb, 2020 At 2:50 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Surname interests

Hi All, my surnames are Potter, Crow, Lang /Laing and Wilson mainly from around West Lothian ( Uphall, Livingstone, Whitburn, Bathgate) My 2x great grandfather married Marion Laing and their son James married Elizabeth Robertson Crow. They emigrated to New Zealand with four children in 1902. James had been an overseer & Joiner at Calder House in Mid Calder. I am not sure why they came here but maybe for a better life.
Regards
Julie    

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EdieMc


Re: Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

 

Hi there
I show a 5.1cM link to you, and all my Mother's family come from Islay so chances are that is where the match comes from.  I've got McArthur ancestors, but Islay records are thin on the ground before 1800 which means it's hard to get back to show a connection.
(Are you Robert, by the way?)
regards Seymour


Re: Surname interests

Edie Mc
 

Hi Julie,
We have Lang/Laing and Robertson, Dougal, Walker all connected to each other, but for the Redding, Wallacestone, area of Polmont , Stirklingshire.  One of ours David Laing, with his wife Isobel//Isabella  Hay and some of his family emigrated to New Zealand in the 1860's from Scotland. We havent found any Laing matches in our DNA on ancestry as yet other than one David Laing who doesnt reply.  I think he maybe has same problem as for our McArthurs and cannot match anyone.  NO with the name McArthur at least. with our McArthur we do have  matches with familytreedna but not the Mcarthu rname, so wondering if that is his problem as well..  We have Laing back to a William Laing/Land, Seaman no birth and nomarriage, but had three children with Elizabeth Dougal in 1804, David, William and Thomas Livingston Laing, the last born 1814.

Not much help to you but, thought I would let you know we do have some Laing/Laing, it was my late mother in laws maiden name. Her gret grandparents were James Robertson Laing and Jean/Jane Bennie of Polmont Stirling,Scotland they arrived in Tasmania 1857.
regards
Edie McArthur



------ Original Message ------
From: "Julie Ryde" <julzeem61@...>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 18 Feb, 2020 At 2:50 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Surname interests

Hi All, my surnames are Potter, Crow, Lang /Laing and Wilson mainly from around West Lothian ( Uphall, Livingstone, Whitburn, Bathgate) My 2x great grandfather married Marion Laing and their son James married Elizabeth Robertson Crow. They emigrated to New Zealand with four children in 1902. James had been an overseer & Joiner at Calder House in Mid Calder. I am not sure why they came here but maybe for a better life.
Regards
Julie    

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EdieMc


Daniel and Jennette McArthur of Islay

Robert McArthur
 

I’d like to hear from anyone with knowledge about my great-great-great grandparents Daniel and Jennette McArthur, who emigrated from Scotland to North Carolina in America in the 1770s. They claimed to have come from Islay. Although there is abundant information about their descendants, I know nothing of their background, and to date I have not identified any of their Scottish ancestry. A few years ago Roger McWee told me he had found some data on Daniel, but no information linking him to any farm or town. I frequently receive Family Tree notifications of y-dna matches, including some strong Nordic, Isle of Mull, and Scottish mainland matches, but so far nothing with a definite link to Islay, and nothing identifying a common direct ancestor. I have seen trees indicating that Daniel’s parents were named John McArthur and Jean Hair, but no supporting evidence of that. Family Finder has been useful in helping me find some relatives, mainly distant cousins here in America. I have uploaded my dna information to Gedmatch (kit T894735) and am in process of deciphering the match information in that database (looks like a long learning curve).


Surname interests

Julie Ryde
 

Hi All, my surnames are Potter, Crow, Lang /Laing and Wilson mainly from around West Lothian ( Uphall, Livingstone, Whitburn, Bathgate) My 2x great grandfather married Marion Laing and their son James married Elizabeth Robertson Crow. They emigrated to New Zealand with four children in 1902. James had been an overseer & Joiner at Calder House in Mid Calder. I am not sure why they came here but maybe for a better life.
Regards
Julie


Nicholson at Pitlochry, Blair Athol

Ian & Margaret Kelly
 

Hi,

I am trying to contact descendants of Norman Macaskill Nicholson (1910-1993) and his wife Joan nee Bradley who used to live at Pitlochry near Blair Athol.  Both are now deceased.  They had four children – George, Winston, Mhairai & Sarah.

Thank you,

Ian Kelly, Queensland, Auatralia.

 

 


Re: Islay Group

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Thank you, I have given it a go!
J

 
 


On Friday, 14 February 2020, 21:59:13 GMT, <ckj2362312@...> wrote:


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Re: Charles Campbell 1787?

Edie Mc
 

Hi,
I cannot really help you but wonder if he may have been the William Campbell who fathered an illegitmate daughter born at Cambuslang in 1850.  Her mother was  Isabella Stevenson, who was born at Cambuslang, Lanarkshire.  the daughter was Christina Stevenson Campbell. I have no idea where William Campbell was born. The name Christina may have come from Isabellas mother Christina though.

Isabella left Lanrakshire and worked in Renfrewshire till she came to Tasmania wihtout her daughter who lived to the age of 28 after giving birth to four children.  She married Robert  Black of Campsie, Stirlingshire. We only found out about her two years ago when someone  was curius who she was and did a bit of sleuthing.

Edie Mc



------ Original Message ------
From: "extonview via Groups.Io" <extonview@...>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 11 Feb, 2020 At 5:09 AM
Subject: [ScotGen] Charles Campbell 1787?

I seem to have hit a wall when it comes to ancestors in Islay.  My grandfather was Alexander Campbell b.1872, illegitimate.  His mother was Janet Campbell and his father was down as Alexander McDonald.  Janets father was William Campbell b 1824, from Kilmeny on Islay.  His father appears to be Charles Campbell and his mother Christina Campbell (Campbell), both late 1700's.  I can find no info on either of them so if anyone has come across them or any suggestions etc.  would really appreciate it.    

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EdieMc


Re: Newcastle/Gateshead

Edie Mc
 

Hi Bob,
No I dont know if there is a list for Gatesheqd, Newcastle but can tell you I lived there on a working holiday for four months in 1998 and Newcastle Library have a great Reference Library. I spent a lot of time there, four times a week. They even have a copy of the Times newspaper on microfilm there and a set of the BMD Civil Registration fiche. amongst other records, that may be handy to you.
Edie Mc
Tasmania

------ Original Message ------
From: "Bob Elder via Groups.Io" <relder=tiscali.co.uk@groups.io>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 Feb, 2020 At 10:46 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Newcastle/Gateshead

Morning All

In view of what's happening to Rootsweb does anyone know if there is a group for Newcastle Gateshead area I've not noticed one.

Thank you

Bob











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EdieMc


Re: Lanarakshire

Edie Mc
 

Another good website Lauraine.  It has been useful to me again.
Thanks
Edie Mc



------ Original Message ------
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <lauraine.syrnick@...>
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 9 Feb, 2020 At 12:23 PM
Subject: [ScotGen] Lanarakshire

Not sure if this will be useful or not, but it is another site that came to me today.


https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/lanarkshire-os-name-books-1858-1861/lanarkshire-volume-10?display=transcription

Lauraine (Smith) Syrnick
   

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EdieMc


Re: Islay Group

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Re: Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

 

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:13 PM Edie McArthur <eamca1944@...> wrote:
Thank you E Bateson, another good map.  I hope others are benefiting from these Maps as well.
Thanks again
Edie Mc

Hi folks, this group has a wiki, and each of us can add and edit it, upload files as well. If someone wants to begin gathering links to maps and put them onto a wiki page, I encourage you to do so. These assets are available in each subgroup as well! 

We don't have enough storage to upload maps and such, but links take up very little room. :-)

All the best,

Valorie 



------ Original Message ------
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To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 6 Feb, 2020 At 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] Need names of some old Farms c1857 in Cathcart, Renfrewshire RFW, Sct

 try this, its  the old ordinance survey maps of scotland  in 1800s    https://maps.nls.uk/view/74427699 

On 5 Feb 2020, at 15:55, leshorn44@... wrote:

Have a look at the NLS (National Library of Scotland) maps web-site.
This URL will take you to Cathcart.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.8187&lon=-4.2618&layers=5&b=1    

   

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EdieMc


Re: Clan MacDougall

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Interested in your Alexander Campbell who left Islay in 1774.  My  ancestor Alexander Campbell born Killarrow Islay in 1771 didn't leave Islay but it would be good to know if we share DNA?  I have my results on Ancestry and on Gedmatch.  Sorry I can't help with the Clan question, except that the name McDougall was also McLugash in Islay sometimes.
Regards
Johan

 
 


On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, 22:55:33 GMT, bqbarnard@... <bqbarnard@...> wrote:


My ancestor, Alexander Campbell, left Islay around 1774 as a child, and most of what we know about him comes from his will, which states he was born in Kildalton and suggests he traveled to Johnstown NY with John Carmichael, also of Kildalton, who was some years older. The one other piece of information about him came from his granddaughter, who was my great-grandmother, Jennie Campbell Jones. According to my great-grandmother, Alexander's family was tied to Clan MacDougall. I'd be intertested in learning more about possible ties between Islay and Clan MacDougall.

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