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Re: I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev

Anne Burgess
 

Sorry to rain on the parade, but that information is typical of the sort of shambles you would get if you believed trees on Ancestry.

Scotland's People has a record of the marriage of Daniel McAlpin to Marion Graham in Glasgow in 1778, and baptisms of nine children, all in Glasgow:
Daniel, 1779
John, 1781
Isobel, 1782
Bettie, 1783
Margaret, 1787
Marion, 1790
Mary 1791
Duncan, 1792
Euphan, 1796
all in Glasgow.

Therefore Marion Graham's husband was still fathering children in Glasgow AFTER the marriage of your Daniel to Catherine Isabella Munn in 1792 on the other side of the Atlantic. Therefore they are not the same Daniel McAlpin.

Anne


Re: I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev

Anne Burgess
 

Hi Bev

I will echo Goldie and Lido's warning. We very wary of tree on Ancestry or anywhere else. Ancestry, alongside loads of really useful information, is probably the world's biggest propagator of wrong information, most of it in trees submitted to it by individuals. Never, ever, trust or believe anything you find online, and especially on Ancestry and similar web sites, unless it's an image of an original document.

As far back as 1752, the only serious source of information is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. If you find anything in a tree that isn't matched by an original record at Scotland's People, you need to seek out the original source of that information to make sure that it's correct and not some sloppy researcher making assumptions.

Daniel is used as an alternative to Donald in Scotland, particularly in the Highlands and Islands.

There are only two surviving records of a baptism of a D*n*l* M*c*l*p*n* in Scotland between 1750 and 1754
Donald, son of Peter McAlpin and Katharine Mclean, baptised in Killin on 12 January 1754
Daniel McAlpine, son of Duncan McAlpine and Kathrine Paterson, baptised in Inveraray and Glenaray in April 1752.

Neither of these places is in Islay, thought at least Inveraray is in the same county, Argyll. Killin is in Perthshire.

(There are also 16 D*n*l* M*c*g*r*g*r* baptism in the same period, none in Islay and only one in Argyll.)

You cannot and must not assume that this Daniel is yours, because there are so many people whose baptisms are missing from the surviving records that it is not safe to assume that the only possible candidate is the right one.

So
- what is your source for him being born in 1752?
- what is your source for him being born in Islay?
- how reliable are the online trees that name his parents? Do the submitters have any actual evidence to prove his parentage, or are they just guessing because he is the only one born in roughly the right part of Scotland at roughly the right sort of time?

Anne


Re: I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev

Goldie & Lido Doratti
 

Be careful here.....McAlpin is a McGregor/MacGregor/Grigor alias........It is an OLD name in Scotland.  Argyle and Bute is the area around Glasgow and up the coast...CHECK all info carefully.  Could MUMM be MUNN??   Goldie
 

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Subject: Re: [ScotGen] I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev
 

Hi Bev

 

There are 58 Family trees on Ancestry for a Daniel & Catherine but only a couple states the Parents. I do not know if this is the family you’re looking for, some of the dates & placers do not add up but it worth looking into.

 

Note This Daniel was married twice

 

Daniel McAlpin born April 1752  Inveraray, Argyll & Bure, Scotland and died 14 May 1808 at Fayetteville, Richmond, North Carolina, USA

 

His parents were Duncan McAlpin b 14 Oct 1730 at Campbeltown, Argyll & Bute married about 1749 Glasgow to Katherine Paterson  they had 6 children.

 

Daniel first wife: = Marion Graham b: 21 Mar 1752 Glasgow, Died 17 July 1817 Glasgow, married 27 June 1778 Glasgow. Her parents are William Graham 1724-1776 Agnes Deans c1719

Children from this marriage are:- Daniel 1779-1885, John 1781-1823, Isabel Isabella 1782, Betty 1785, Margaret 1787-1861, Marion 1790-1823, Mary 1791-1831, Duncan 1792-1874 and Euphany Euphemia McAlpin 1796-1823.

 

The second wife is Isabella Munn or Catherine Isabella Munn born bat 1767 in Scotland Married 1792 in North Caroline and died bat 1820 Chesterfield, South Carolina, USA

 

The children from this marriage are:- Alexander Sandy b1794-1868, Daniel 1797, John 1799, Mary 1802-1867 married John Monro Smith in 1825, Malcolm 1809-1870 married Margaret McArthur in 8 Feb 1844 11 children.

 

I hope this help.

 

Josephine

Qld, Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bev Ohnstad
Sent: Tuesday, 19 October 2021 8:24 AM
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Subject: [ScotGen] I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev Ohn

 

 


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Re: I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Bev

 

There are 58 Family trees on Ancestry for a Daniel & Catherine but only a couple states the Parents. I do not know if this is the family you’re looking for, some of the dates & placers do not add up but it worth looking into.

 

Note This Daniel was married twice

 

Daniel McAlpin born April 1752  Inveraray, Argyll & Bure, Scotland and died 14 May 1808 at Fayetteville, Richmond, North Carolina, USA

 

His parents were Duncan McAlpin b 14 Oct 1730 at Campbeltown, Argyll & Bute married about 1749 Glasgow to Katherine Paterson  they had 6 children.

 

Daniel first wife: = Marion Graham b: 21 Mar 1752 Glasgow, Died 17 July 1817 Glasgow, married 27 June 1778 Glasgow. Her parents are William Graham 1724-1776 Agnes Deans c1719

Children from this marriage are:- Daniel 1779-1885, John 1781-1823, Isabel Isabella 1782, Betty 1785, Margaret 1787-1861, Marion 1790-1823, Mary 1791-1831, Duncan 1792-1874 and Euphany Euphemia McAlpin 1796-1823.

 

The second wife is Isabella Munn or Catherine Isabella Munn born bat 1767 in Scotland Married 1792 in North Caroline and died bat 1820 Chesterfield, South Carolina, USA

 

The children from this marriage are:- Alexander Sandy b1794-1868, Daniel 1797, John 1799, Mary 1802-1867 married John Monro Smith in 1825, Malcolm 1809-1870 married Margaret McArthur in 8 Feb 1844 11 children.

 

I hope this help.

 

Josephine

Qld, Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bev Ohnstad
Sent: Tuesday, 19 October 2021 8:24 AM
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Subject: [ScotGen] I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev Ohn

 

 


I am researching my great great great gandfather Daniel Mc Alpin. I know he was born in Islay in 1752 and moved to the states. He married Catherine Isabella Mumm. Where can I find archives or possible information on this parents. Thanks, Bev Ohnstad 752

Bev Ohnstad
 



Re: SHAW family

Elaine Jefferson
 

The McEwen side of things I am related to  The family came from Helensburgh  ior RHU some went to Glasgow and my 3X gand father came to Melbourne 1852 He died 1856 from Liver complaint Katherine  was sister of Archibald and both kids of John McEwan and Mary Crawford  Katherine brother Archibald married Catherine Denny,  Katherine married Hugh Shaw Their other sister married William Lang and other sister married  Robert Hannah or Hanan

Been at this for 2o odd years still havent progressed far as I would like
elaine

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:27 PM Josephine Conray <javc@...> wrote:

Hi Elaine

 

I saw your email to Ann where you say “I am related to the mother way back when. I know nothing of this family”. Do you mean Katherine McEwen as there are a couple of family trees on Ancestry giving some info on her parents and Grandparents.

Katherine did have a brother Archibald McEwan married to Catherine Denny on 1 Feb 1759 Rosneath.

 

Cheers

Josephine.

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine Jefferson
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2021 4:37 PM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] SHAW family

 

 

Hoping some one can help with this elusive family  Katherine McEwen born 1765 Dumbartonshire married Hugh Shaw 1786 Rhu Dunbartonshire This came from Scotlands people with very little to go on  I dont know anything of Hugh Shaw nor where he came from The Registers for GLASGOW shows their children,,

Mary Shaw 1787 Glasgow

Elisabeth Shaw 1789 Glasgow

John Shaw 1791 Glasgow

Archibald Shaw 179i3 Glasgow

Tried the 1841 Census in hopes of seeing this family  Nothing If anyone can help would be great I have been trying for X amout of years

 

Heres hoping

thanks Elaine J


Re: hugh shaw and family

Margaret McNab
 



Margaret

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:23 AM, Elaine Jefferson
<elainej100@...> wrote:
Update on Hugh Shaw and family
The register per Scotlands people shows the marriage fir Hugh Shaw and Katherine McEwen He says he came from Roseneath  and she from Dumbartonshire
on the Baptisms for all the kids in Glasgow He says his trade  Marble Cutter and I still cant find any deaths  There is one hUgh Shaw in the Wills section but it isnt him Tried for Katherine nothing 
The 1841 Census shows a Hugh Shaw still dont know
 I still need some help if anyone can unravel this family

thanks elaine j


Re: SHAW family

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Elaine

 

I saw your email to Ann where you say “I am related to the mother way back when. I know nothing of this family”. Do you mean Katherine McEwen as there are a couple of family trees on Ancestry giving some info on her parents and Grandparents.

Katherine did have a brother Archibald McEwan married to Catherine Denny on 1 Feb 1759 Rosneath.

 

Cheers

Josephine.

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine Jefferson
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2021 4:37 PM
To: Scots@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] SHAW family

 

 

Hoping some one can help with this elusive family  Katherine McEwen born 1765 Dumbartonshire married Hugh Shaw 1786 Rhu Dunbartonshire This came from Scotlands people with very little to go on  I dont know anything of Hugh Shaw nor where he came from The Registers for GLASGOW shows their children,,

Mary Shaw 1787 Glasgow

Elisabeth Shaw 1789 Glasgow

John Shaw 1791 Glasgow

Archibald Shaw 179i3 Glasgow

Tried the 1841 Census in hopes of seeing this family  Nothing If anyone can help would be great I have been trying for X amout of years

 

Heres hoping

thanks Elaine J


Testaments

orange.wasps
 

Can anyone tell me where I can obtain a copy of a testament, which was confirmed in Duns in 1930?

 

Ruth


Re: SHAW family

Elaine Jefferson
 

Ann
You found the same as I did NIL  I am related to the mother way back when. I know nothing of this family. It is possible they emigrated but to where is the burning question, Passenger lists usin Ancestry begin way to late and Shaw ? My husband has Shaw also but not related His come from the Isle of Harris and just about every second person is Shaw
Thank you for taking a look Its been a dead end for many years Being a Marble Cutter, that must mean  he cut slabs for head stone?

Elaine in Australia

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 8:02 PM Anne Burgess via groups.io <anne.genlists=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]

I searched the deaths index on Scotland's People for deaths of Shaw, mother's maiden surname m*c*w*n, born 1790 plus or minus 5 years. There were no results.

So it seems that there are no records of the deaths of any of the children after 1855.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854115.msg7221948#msg7221948

Perhaps they all emigrated? Which one are you descended from?






Re: SHAW family

Anne Burgess
 
Edited

I searched the deaths index on Scotland's People for deaths of Shaw, mother's maiden surname m*c*w*n, born 1790 plus or minus 5 years. There were no results.

So it seems that there are no records of the deaths of any of the children after 1855.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854115.msg7221948#msg7221948

Perhaps they all emigrated? Which one are you descended from?


Re: Melrose Australia - William Melrose born 16th April 1881 Laphope

Cas Houston
 

Hi,

I have a lot of data on MELROSE families.

This tree goes back to a John Melrose b abt 1752  and Rachel Frazer at Stow, Midlothian.

William was born16th April 1881 at Ladhope, his parents were Alexander Melrose and Catheine Elder.

Jessie (Janet) Scott Dobsons was born Ladhope 1882, her parents were John Dobson and Janet Johnstone.

This Melrose Tree top is as attached in a TEXT file.

Regards

Charles Houston - not related to anyone on this tree ( so far)

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hugh shaw and family

Elaine Jefferson
 

Update on Hugh Shaw and family
The register per Scotlands people shows the marriage fir Hugh Shaw and Katherine McEwen He says he came from Roseneath  and she from Dumbartonshire
on the Baptisms for all the kids in Glasgow He says his trade  Marble Cutter and I still cant find any deaths  There is one hUgh Shaw in the Wills section but it isnt him Tried for Katherine nothing 
The 1841 Census shows a Hugh Shaw still dont know
 I still need some help if anyone can unravel this family

thanks elaine j


SHAW family

Elaine Jefferson
 


Hoping some one can help with this elusive family  Katherine McEwen born 1765 Dumbartonshire married Hugh Shaw 1786 Rhu Dunbartonshire This came from Scotlands people with very little to go on  I dont know anything of Hugh Shaw nor where he came from The Registers for GLASGOW shows their children,,
Mary Shaw 1787 Glasgow
Elisabeth Shaw 1789 Glasgow
John Shaw 1791 Glasgow
Archibald Shaw 179i3 Glasgow
Tried the 1841 Census in hopes of seeing this family  Nothing If anyone can help would be great I have been trying for X amout of years

Heres hoping
thanks Elaine J


Re: Melrose

Josephine Conray
 

Hi Bob

 

The information that I sent you before was from the head stone of the family graves. The Melrose family appear all to have lived in Geelong, Victoria. Aust

 

It looks like William & Janet had a child called Alexander Melrose, the first time I saw this name was on the headstone of William’s father Alexander Melrose which gave the dates of deaths Alexander & Catherine, William & Janet, Andrew, and a grandson Alexander and said died in Hobart Tasmania Aust. I think this was at Eastland Cemetery Galashields, Scottish Borders, Scotland

 

I search the Tasmania archives and did find the following:-- Melrose Alexander died at 48 Molle Street Hobart, burial 27 March 1921 he was 3 months old the son of William Melrose. I am not sure if this is the child of William & Janet there was no other info.

I just cannot work out why they are in Tasmania, will look into that later.

 

On the Australia Electoral Rolls 1903-1980 before 1931 I cannot find any records for William and his family the first time is

 

1931 Catherine Elder Melrose living at 5 Maud Street Geelong Vic - she a textile worker

1934  Catherine living at the same address

1934 Jessie  living 5 Maud St Geelong - she a Dressmaker

1934 William living at the same address -he a Warper

 

1936 Catherine, Jessie William all living at 5 Maud St Geelong and Williams new wife is with them Marjorie Irene Stringer

1937 All at the same address.

 

Catherine Elder Melrose married 1938 in Geelong to Richard Turnbull Kemp Reg/no 15343 and she died 24 Sep 1991 Geelong Vic. Buried Point Lonsdale Geelong  at Queenscliff Cemetery.

Richard Kemp born 25 March 1910 and died 26 Jan 1980 Geelong, Vic. Reg/no 02743

You can look up all the BDM on this sit below, I think the coast of a certificate is 20.00 Aus dollars

 

https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history

 

 

Jessie Johnstone Melrose 1944 in Geelong to Roy Francis McKim she died 16 July 1954 in Geelong .Roy was born 20 Aug 1907 in Geelong and Died 24 Nov 1985 in Belmont, Geelong. It looks like they had two children Hedley and Janet

 

This below is the death notice for Janet Melrose as you will see there is  Alexander as one of the children.

 

The Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave Index, 1800s-Current.  Find a Grave

 

Death Notice
MELROSE — On the 20th November, 1926, at a private hospital, Geelong. Janet, the dearly loved wife of William Melrose of 5 Maude Street, Geelong, and devoted mother of Jessie, Catherine, and Alexander (deceased); formerly of Galashiels, Scotland. Aged 44 years.
Geelong Advertiser
22 Nov 1926

 

If you go onto this site it below you can see the graves, if it does not work send me your email.

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/164783327/janet-scott-melrose

 

 

Hope this helps

Cheers

Josephine

Qld Aust.

 

 

 

 

 

From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Elder via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 11 October 2021 7:13 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [ScotGen] Melrose

 

Hi Josephine.

 

Thank you for the information on my Melrose family.

 

As I’m in the UK is it possible for me to find put further information & how would I go about it,

 

Many thanks.

 

Bob


Alexander McCanch family

ladybud42@...
 

I am wondering if anyone is researching the McCanch family from Scotland.  I have information some information on Alexander McCanch born in 1844 in Old Monkland, Lanark.  Nothing of family before that.  Thank, Judy McCartney


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Anne Burgess
 

Aha! Got it. Searched for McKie, given name Thom*on.

There is a birth in Dumfries in 1907 indexed as Walker Thomson McKie, not as Walter Thomson McKie.

That does seem to pin him down quite satisfactorily.

Though if he was born on 10 April, he was actually a week short of being aged 4 on census day, which was 2 April 1911, and should have been recorded as aged 3. But that is very minor.

Anne


Re: William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Robert N. G. KEMSLEY
 

Evening Anne;

I don't know the connection to family in Canada as my mother suggested, but for her to have said that, indicates there is something there, family wise?
I wonder if my mother knew of Walter's past, seeing she lived with him for 43 years?

I know I've seen it somewhere, but cannot readily lay my hands on at present and it's not in the folder, but Walter always celebrated his birthday on the 10th of April each year and I've him born 10 April 1907, Netherwood Cottage, Dumfries, Dumfriesshires, Scotland.

And yes; I've the 1911 Census; Berscar Cottage, Dumfries with the parents as William & Agnes with 6 children which includes Walter 4 Born 1907.
It also records Mary THOMPSON a visitor who would be Agnes's Mother.

Yes; it would be great to have access to the 1921 census as Walter would be in there somewhere as he didn't emigrate to western Australia until 1926.

Robert

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From: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 11 October 2021 7:29 PM
To: Scots@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScotGen] William & Agnes McKIE returning to Scotland pre 1949?

Thank you. It does to the extent of proving that the family who emigrated to Canada are a red herring.

There remains the problem that there is no record of his birth in Dumfries as Walter McKie in 1907, so his birth is **not** proved.

You need to find William McKie and Agnes Thomson in the 1911 census (and, even better, in the 2021 when it is eventually released next year) and see if they had a son Walter.


Melrose

Bob Elder
 

Hi Josephine.

 

Thank you for the information on my Melrose family.

 

As I’m in the UK is it possible for me to find put further information & how would I go about it,

 

Many thanks.

 

Bob

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