Currie / McVurich - please help
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Janice McClelland
Hi All - Wayne's 4x ggf is Donald Currie 1760-1840, Bowmore. Ancestry says that Donald's father was Ivar Currie McVurich, based on info from 17 family trees but few records. I have yet to add Ivar to the tree as I don't understand the Currie/McVurich name combo/change & haven't found an explanation or records that clearly state the situation that make me confident Ivar is my guy. Hoping Wayne's Currie cousins can shed some light on this for me.
Kind regards, Jan McClelland |
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Sharee Hughes
I don't know that I can help with your ancestry, but I do know that McVurrich was the original name of the Currie clan and was anglicized to Currie, but don't know what year that happened. Sharee On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:23 AM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote: Hi All - Wayne's 4x ggf is Donald Currie 1760-1840, Bowmore. Ancestry says that Donald's father was Ivar Currie McVurich, based on info from 17 family trees but few records. I have yet to add Ivar to the tree as I don't understand the Currie/McVurich name combo/change & haven't found an explanation or records that clearly state the situation that make me confident Ivar is my guy. Hoping Wayne's Currie cousins can shed some light on this for me. |
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Hi Janice, The link below will take you to an Electric Scotland article which talks about the Currie family and the origin of the Currie name. You might find it interesting. My only caveat is that it talks about the Clan Currie, which historically never existed. It is a modern attempt to create a clan through the use of society status. Other than that I think the article is good. Hope it helps. Glynn
Clan Currie (electricscotland.com)
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From: Janice McClelland
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 8:23 AM To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help
Hi All - Wayne's 4x ggf is Donald Currie 1760-1840, Bowmore. Ancestry says that Donald's father was Ivar Currie McVurich, based on info from 17 family trees but few records. I have yet to add Ivar to the tree as I don't understand the Currie/McVurich name combo/change & haven't found an explanation or records that clearly state the situation that make me confident Ivar is my guy. Hoping Wayne's Currie cousins can shed some light on this for me.
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Janice McClelland
Thank you, Sharee! The article Glynn shared mentions the anglicization of Scottish surnames in the 18th century. With Donald born abt 1760 that is a perfect fit. And thank you, Glynn, for the link to the article - a really interesting read. I've added Ivar to the tree and put this link on his page as well as Donald's. Excellent verification.
Thanks so much to both of you~ Jan |
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Sharee Hughes
Janice, if you look up Clan currie online, you can find out lots of info about the clan's origins. Sharee On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:55 AM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote: Thank you, Sharee! The article Glynn shared mentions the anglicization of Scottish surnames in the 18th century. With Donald born abt 1760 that is a perfect fit. And thank you, Glynn, for the link to the article - a really interesting read. I've added Ivar to the tree and put this link on his page as well as Donald's. Excellent verification. |
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Anne Goeden
Hi Janice: Has Wayne done his DNA test yet? I'm always looking for my connection to Curries. My ggg grandmother was Mary Currie (1794-1877) and her brother Donald Currie ( 1806-1877). Still looking for their parents and siblings. We believe their mother was a Sinclair. Maybe we can find a relative in common. Anne Goeden On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:08 PM Sharee Hughes <shareehughes1@...> wrote:
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Janice McClelland
Hi Anne - yes, he has done Ancestry's DNA test. I am really struggling with the Curries - FAR too many of them with the same name for my liking, lol. Thus far I have 8 Mary's in the tree & 7 Donald's, and I know that's just a drop in the bucket. The only Mary I have that is close to yours is a Mary b. 1796 whom I added just yesterday. Parents Donald & Catherine Mccannel.
Wayne's 3x ggm is also Mary 1787-1862. She married a James McDermid. If you'd like to look for Wayne (this is an open invitation to anyone reading this) in your matches he is listed as 'K.W. McClelland'. I gave up on Curries yesterday after several hours of trying to sort Johns, Donalds and Malcolms down to a match who is a 6th cousin. I got bogged down when I realized that I can't follow his tree - we get to an ancestral Donald that he says was born in ontario which can't be right if both parents died in Scotland, which is what I have. It's Donald, Malcolm & Mary soup, with a few Johns thrown in for good measure! |
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Susan Page
My husband has done his DNA (he is a Currie thru his grandmother) and I’ve put it up on GEDmatch (its free)where comparisons can be made.
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Iain MacIntosh
Have you an original official source for this assumption . I have come across so many Ancestry trees which have just copied unsubstantiated information without going back to original records for verification. My family in other trees have some whoppers! 🙄
Iain Macintosh |
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Alan Cameron <aicameron21@...>
If it helps, I have some details of my Currie family. They were from Cairnduncan or CairnDonnachie which is in the Gruinard area of Islay. My grandmother was Anne Curie (1873-1954) She married John Fraser who was born and brought up in Cladadh, Portnahaven). Anne's parents were John Currie (1823-1877) and Mary Smith. John's parents were Malcolm Currie (1794-1855) and Elizabeth Ferguson (1799-1862). Malcolm's parents were Duncan Currie (1763 - ?) and Mary McCauley ( 1767 - ?). Duncan's parents were Neil McCurry(1732 -?) and Mary Ferguson.(1735-?) I have a list of descendants from Malcolm and John which may be of interest. Incidentally, I saw a recent debate about the name. It is supposed to be derived from Murchadh who was the Poet / genealogist to the Lords of the Isles. His sons would have been MacMurchadh ie (son of Murdoch) and the next generation would be macmhicmhurachidh ie the son of the son of Murdoch. Mhic is grammatically the genitive of mac and simple means of the son. In time this became Mac 'ichmhurichidh sounded machk-eech-oorich-ee) where the mh is silent and from there the mac is dropped leaving simply coor-ee and then Currie. So your Curries in Islay are descended from an ancient and important bardic family, associated with the Lords of the Isles. Alan Iain Cameron Director of Community Engagement |
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Alan Cameron, do you have Duncan (b.1763) Currie’s siblings? My 3x great grandfather was Gilbert Currie (1769-1828). Gilbert married Margaret McArthur (1773-1861) from Kilchoman. Their son, Neil Currie (1811-1875), my 2x great grandfather, was born in Cairnduncan. I do not know Gilbert’s parents or his siblings.
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Janice McClelland
Hi Iain! Which assumption, please & thanks. :) I have seen many unverified whoppers in trees too - hence my reluctance to add Ivar McVurich to the tree without knowing the connection to Currie. If anything I am overly cautious when adding people.
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Janice McClelland
Thank you, Alan, for the info & phonetic pronunciation - I must say that even though my own ancestry is well over 70% Scot/Irish Gaelic is not a language that comes readily, or at all, ha.
Alas, with all the Curries I have in the tree I don't yet have any of the ones you've mentioned. It seems so unlikely to me that there can be so many Curries that I'm still missing dozens of them, considering the size of Islay. But the proof of the pudding.... :) Jan |
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Hello Jan, My Charlotte Murdoch (dau of Rev John Murdoch and Catherine Campbell) married Neil Currie in 1792 at Bowmore, they had 4 children that I know of Donald b 1793, John b 1795, Catherine Anne b 1806 and Mary b 1810. Big gap, maybe more in between, but have not found yet. Catherine and Mary both baptised in Kilmeny. My main research is of the Murdoch's. Let me know if you find a connection. Regards Candy
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Iain MacIntosh
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain Iain On 21 Jan 2021, at 21:24, Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:
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Janet Chubb
Morning all:
My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.
Have a good day,
Janet Currie Chubb
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Sent: January 22, 2021 4:22 AM To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain
Iain
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Roger
Hi Janet
I still havnt got a father or mother for him
Regards Roger
From: Janet Chubb
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please
help Morning all:
My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.
Have a good day,
Janet Currie Chubb
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Iain MacIntosh
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain
Iain
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Janice McClelland
Thanks for the clarification, Iain. I agree completely!
Jan |
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Janet Chubb
Thanks Roger. I do not expect ever to find out. A question for you. Family lore is that my Donald Currie had a son who died in a snow storm with his cousin. Would that be the John Currie I heard about years ago? Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: "Roger via groups.io" <rogermcwee99@...> Date: 2021-01-22 11:22 a.m. (GMT-06:00) To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help Hi Janet
I still havnt got a father or mother for him
Regards Roger
From: Janet Chubb
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please
help Morning all:
My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.
Have a good day,
Janet Currie Chubb
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Iain MacIntosh
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain
Iain
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Janice McClelland
Hi Candy - I have your Charlotte Murdoch & that family in my tree - a first! LOL. If what I have is correct, this Neil & Wayne's 4x ggf Donald are brothers. I will let you know if/when I discover more verification.
Jan |
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