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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Janet Chubb

#443

Morning all:

My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.

Have a good day,

Janet Currie Chubb

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From: Iain MacIntosh
Sent: January 22, 2021 4:22 AM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help

Hi Janice

I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message.

Regards

Iain

On 21 Jan 2021, at 21:24, Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:

Hi Iain! Which assumption, please & thanks. :) I have seen many unverified whoppers in trees too - hence my reluctance to add Ivar McVurich to the tree without knowing the connection to Currie. If anything I am overly cautious when adding people.
Jan

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Iain MacIntosh

#442

Hi Janice

I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message.

Regards

Iain

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On 21 Jan 2021, at 21:24, Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:

Hi Iain! Which assumption, please & thanks. :) I have seen many unverified whoppers in trees too - hence my reluctance to add Ivar McVurich to the tree without knowing the connection to Currie. If anything I am overly cautious when adding people.
Jan

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

candy@...

#441

Hello Jan, My Charlotte Murdoch (dau of Rev John Murdoch and Catherine Campbell) married Neil Currie in 1792 at Bowmore, they had 4 children that I know of Donald b 1793, John b 1795, Catherine Anne b 1806 and Mary b 1810. Big gap, maybe more in between, but have not found yet. Catherine and Mary both baptised in Kilmeny. My main research is of the Murdoch's. Let me know if you find a connection. Regards Candy

Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Philip Hubsmith

#440

Hi Flora,

Thank-you, did not know that Donald re-married after his first wife died - that is some info I did not know / Donald’s brother Hugh is my G Grandfather

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

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From: Flora MacAffer
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:48
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Philip

Margaret Carmichael was the second wife of your Donald McFadyen, Postmaster.

Flora

Re: Currie family

Janice McClelland

#439

Thank you! And.... done!
Jan

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Janice McClelland

#438

Thank you, Alan, for the info & phonetic pronunciation - I must say that even though my own ancestry is well over 70% Scot/Irish Gaelic is not a language that comes readily, or at all, ha.

Alas, with all the Curries I have in the tree I don't yet have any of the ones you've mentioned. It seems so unlikely to me that there can be so many Curries that I'm still missing dozens of them, considering the size of Islay. But the proof of the pudding.... :)
Jan

Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Flora MacAffer

#437

Glynn

I don't think I'll be able to help with that. At that time several families would have occupied one house, and names of houses have changed over the years. I'm not sure how the numbering on Valuation Roll/Census records went.

Flora

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From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Glynn Currie <glynn.currie@...>
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:40
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Flora,

Your message clicks with me as well. My grandmother was born on Shore Street in Bowmore as well. I see that you are a current resident of the town and so might have an answer to my query.

My grand mother was Flora McDiarmid (b. 1883 on Shore Street, Bowmore - 1960 in Saskatchewan, Canada). Her parents were Archibald McDiarmid and Agnes MacDonald. I have found the Valuation Rolls for 1885 and 1895 showing that Archibald McDiarmid was a tenant of a building on Shore Street.

I would like to be able to identify the building in which Gramma was born. Would you be able to suggest a way to connect the Valuation Roll to a current address?

Thanks for any help you are able to provide.

Glynn Currie

Vancouver Island, Canada

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From: "Philip Hubsmith via groups.io" <p.hubsmith@...>

Date: 2021-01-21 13:29 (GMT-08:00)

To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io

Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Flora,

Thank-you for that, I have so much info I need to digest and collate and will check further if there is a connection – thank-you!

Hopefully a member can point me in the right direction for the database of Islay Gravestones and Photos

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

From: Flora MacAffer
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:05
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Philip Hubsmith

You may already have the following information:-

Donald McFadyen married Margaret Carmichael (my great grand aunt) 20 Dec 1894 in Bowmore.

Their daughter Ann was born 16 Aug 1896 in Shore Street, Bowmore.

Ann died 07 Nov 1962 in Aberdeen.

Margaret died 11 Aug 1902.

I am happy to send copies of certificates if you don’t already have them.

Flora MacAffer

Bowmore, Islay

Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Flora MacAffer

#436

Hi Philip

Margaret Carmichael was the second wife of your Donald McFadyen, Postmaster.

Flora

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From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Philip Hubsmith via groups.io <p.hubsmith@...>
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:29
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Flora,

Thank-you for that, I have so much info I need to digest and collate and will check further if there is a connection – thank-you!

Hopefully a member can point me in the right direction for the database of Islay Gravestones and Photos

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

From: Flora MacAffer
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:05
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Philip Hubsmith

You may already have the following information:-

Donald McFadyen married Margaret Carmichael (my great grand aunt) 20 Dec 1894 in Bowmore.

Their daughter Ann was born 16 Aug 1896 in Shore Street, Bowmore.

Ann died 07 Nov 1962 in Aberdeen.

Margaret died 11 Aug 1902.

I am happy to send copies of certificates if you don’t already have them.

Flora MacAffer

Bowmore, Islay

Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Glynn Currie

#435

Flora,

Your message clicks with me as well. My grandmother was born on Shore Street in Bowmore as well. I see that you are a current resident of the town and so might have an answer to my query.

My grand mother was Flora McDiarmid (b. 1883 on Shore Street, Bowmore - 1960 in Saskatchewan, Canada). Her parents were Archibald McDiarmid and Agnes MacDonald. I have found the Valuation Rolls for 1885 and 1895 showing that Archibald McDiarmid was a tenant of a building on Shore Street.

I would like to be able to identify the building in which Gramma was born. Would you be able to suggest a way to connect the Valuation Roll to a current address?

Thanks for any help you are able to provide.

Glynn Currie

Vancouver Island, Canada

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From: "Philip Hubsmith via groups.io" <p.hubsmith@...>

Date: 2021-01-21 13:29 (GMT-08:00)

To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io

Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Flora,

Thank-you for that, I have so much info I need to digest and collate and will check further if there is a connection – thank-you!

Hopefully a member can point me in the right direction for the database of Islay Gravestones and Photos

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

From: Flora MacAffer
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:05
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Philip Hubsmith

You may already have the following information:-

Donald McFadyen married Margaret Carmichael (my great grand aunt) 20 Dec 1894 in Bowmore.

Their daughter Ann was born 16 Aug 1896 in Shore Street, Bowmore.

Ann died 07 Nov 1962 in Aberdeen.

Margaret died 11 Aug 1902.

I am happy to send copies of certificates if you don’t already have them.

Flora MacAffer

Bowmore, Islay

Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Philip Hubsmith

#434

Hi Flora,

Thank-you for that, I have so much info I need to digest and collate and will check further if there is a connection

Hopefully a member can point us in the right direction for the database of Islay Gravestones and Photos referred to in previous correspondence by Roger McWee

Thank-you!

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

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From: Glynn Currie
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:21
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Philip,

Your message caught my attention. I too have a number of ancestors buried in the New Church Cemetery in Bowmore as 3 of my grandparents are descended from Islay residents. If there is a set of photographs I would love to see them.

You also mentioned the McFadyen family. While I have been too busy with other parts of my family trees, our line does intersect with the McFadyens. My paternal great grandparents were Donald Currie (1845 - 1904) and Catherine McFadyen (1851 - 1933). Catherine was the daughter of John McFadyen (b. 1803 in Kildalton) and Margaret McIntyre (b. Kildalton). Unfortunately that is all the information which I have.

Glynn Currie

Vancouver Island, Canada

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Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Philip Hubsmith

#433

Hi Flora,

Thank-you for that, I have so much info I need to digest and collate and will check further if there is a connection – thank-you!

Hopefully a member can point me in the right direction for the database of Islay Gravestones and Photos

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

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From: Flora MacAffer
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:05
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi Philip Hubsmith

You may already have the following information:-

Donald McFadyen married Margaret Carmichael (my great grand aunt) 20 Dec 1894 in Bowmore.

Their daughter Ann was born 16 Aug 1896 in Shore Street, Bowmore.

Ann died 07 Nov 1962 in Aberdeen.

Margaret died 11 Aug 1902.

I am happy to send copies of certificates if you don’t already have them.

Flora MacAffer

Bowmore, Islay

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Janice McClelland

#432

Hi Iain! Which assumption, please & thanks. :) I have seen many unverified whoppers in trees too - hence my reluctance to add Ivar McVurich to the tree without knowing the connection to Currie. If anything I am overly cautious when adding people.
Jan

Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Glynn Currie

#431

Hi Philip,

Your message caught my attention. I too have a number of ancestors buried in the New Church Cemetery in Bowmore as 3 of my grandparents are descended from Islay residents. If there is a set of photographs I would love to see them.

You also mentioned the McFadyen family. While I have been too busy with other parts of my family trees, our line does intersect with the McFadyens. My paternal great grandparents were Donald Currie (1845 - 1904) and Catherine McFadyen (1851 - 1933). Catherine was the daughter of John McFadyen (b. 1803 in Kildalton) and Margaret McIntyre (b. Kildalton). Unfortunately that is all the information which I have.

Glynn Currie

Vancouver Island, Canada

Sent from my Galaxy

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From: "Philip Hubsmith via groups.io" <p.hubsmith@...>

Date: 2021-01-21 12:48 (GMT-08:00)

To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io

Subject: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Hi all / Roger McWee / Russ McGilvary,

Roger was a great help to me with my McFadyen family research a year ago, unfortunately I let the trail go cold and did not follow up – I would like to try and progress once again

Roger advised me of an inscription at Bowmore Church Graveyard of my GG Grandparents, Angus and Ann McFadyen. I also understand that Roger has recorded and photographed all visible Islay gravestones including Bowmore

Is there somewhere I can view the Islay gravestones/photos including Angus and Ann’s?

Full Inscription: In loving memory of Donald McFadyen, Postmaster Bowmore who died 26^th March 1899 aged 66, his wife Euphemia Morrison who died 24^th January 1885 aged 55 years, his father Angus McFadyen who died 8^th July ____? aged 60 years and his mother Ann McGilvary who died 19^th March 1874 aged 80 years, his daughter Ann who died 7^th November 1962 aged 66 years

Further ancestors of interest are: -

GG Grandparents: John Morrison B 1791 D 29.10.1875 aged 67 also buried at Bowmore Churchyard and spouse Margaret McEwan B 1801

Parents of above John Morrison: Hugh Morrison B 1775 and Mary Morrison B 1786

If anyone can give me a link to the Islay gravestones/photos, that would be great

Any help would be appreciated – thank-you!

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

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Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Flora MacAffer

#430

Hi Philip Hubsmith

You may already have the following information:-

Donald McFadyen married Margaret Carmichael (my great grand aunt) 20 Dec 1894 in Bowmore.

Their daughter Ann was born 16 Aug 1896 in Shore Street, Bowmore.

Ann died 07 Nov 1962 in Aberdeen.

Margaret died 11 Aug 1902.

I am happy to send copies of certificates if you don’t already have them.

Flora MacAffer

Bowmore, Islay

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On 21 Jan 2021, at 20:48, Philip Hubsmith via groups.io <p.hubsmith@...> wrote:

Hi all / Roger McWee / Russ McGilvary,

Roger was a great help to me with my McFadyen family research a year ago, unfortunately I let the trail go cold and did not follow up – I would like to try and progress once again

Roger advised me of an inscription at Bowmore Church Graveyard of my GG Grandparents, Angus and Ann McFadyen. I also understand that Roger has recorded and photographed all visible Islay gravestones including Bowmore

Is there somewhere I can view the Islay gravestones/photos including Angus and Ann’s?

Full Inscription: In loving memory of Donald McFadyen, Postmaster Bowmore who died 26^th March 1899 aged 66, his wife Euphemia Morrison who died 24^th January 1885 aged 55 years, his father Angus McFadyen who died 8^th July ____? aged 60 years and his mother Ann McGilvary who died 19^th March 1874 aged 80 years, his daughter Ann who died 7^th November 1962 aged 66 years

Further ancestors of interest are: -

GG Grandparents: John Morrison B 1791 D 29.10.1875 aged 67 also buried at Bowmore Churchyard and spouse Margaret McEwan B 1801

Parents of above John Morrison: Hugh Morrison B 1775 and Mary Morrison B 1786

If anyone can give me a link to the Islay gravestones/photos, that would be great

Any help would be appreciated – thank-you!

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

Virus-free. www.avg.com

McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay

Philip Hubsmith

#429

Hi all / Roger McWee / Russ McGilvary,

Roger was a great help to me with my McFadyen family research a year ago, unfortunately I let the trail go cold and did not follow up – I would like to try and progress once again

Roger advised me of an inscription at Bowmore Church Graveyard of my GG Grandparents, Angus and Ann McFadyen. I also understand that Roger has recorded and photographed all visible Islay gravestones including Bowmore

Is there somewhere I can view the Islay gravestones/photos including Angus and Ann’s?

Full Inscription: In loving memory of Donald McFadyen, Postmaster Bowmore who died 26^th March 1899 aged 66, his wife Euphemia Morrison who died 24^th January 1885 aged 55 years, his father Angus McFadyen who died 8^th July ____? aged 60 years and his mother Ann McGilvary who died 19^th March 1874 aged 80 years, his daughter Ann who died 7^th November 1962 aged 66 years

Further ancestors of interest are: -

GG Grandparents: John Morrison B 1791 D 29.10.1875 aged 67 also buried at Bowmore Churchyard and spouse Margaret McEwan B 1801

Parents of above John Morrison: Hugh Morrison B 1775 and Mary Morrison B 1786

If anyone can give me a link to the Islay gravestones/photos, that would be great

Any help would be appreciated – thank-you!

Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Dianne Taeckens

#428

Alan Cameron, do you have Duncan (b.1763) Currie’s siblings? My 3x great grandfather was Gilbert Currie (1769-1828). Gilbert married Margaret McArthur (1773-1861) from Kilchoman. Their son, Neil Currie (1811-1875), my 2x great grandfather, was born in Cairnduncan. I do not know Gilbert’s parents or his siblings.

Dianne Taeckens

diannet@...

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Alan Cameron

#427

If it helps, I have some details of my Currie family. They were from Cairnduncan or CairnDonnachie which is in the Gruinard area of Islay.

My grandmother was Anne Curie (1873-1954) She married John Fraser who was born and brought up in Cladadh, Portnahaven). Anne's parents were John Currie (1823-1877) and Mary Smith. John's parents were Malcolm Currie (1794-1855) and Elizabeth Ferguson (1799-1862). Malcolm's parents were Duncan Currie (1763 - ?) and Mary McCauley ( 1767 - ?). Duncan's parents were Neil McCurry(1732 -?) and Mary Ferguson.(1735-?)

I have a list of descendants from Malcolm and John which may be of interest.

Incidentally, I saw a recent debate about the name. It is supposed to be derived from Murchadh who was the Poet / genealogist to the Lords of the Isles. His sons would have been MacMurchadh ie (son of Murdoch) and the next generation would be macmhicmhurachidh ie the son of the son of Murdoch. Mhic is grammatically the genitive of mac and simple means of the son. In time this became Mac 'ichmhurichidh sounded machk-eech-oorich-ee) where the mh is silent and from there the mac is dropped leaving simply coor-ee and then Currie. So your Curries in Islay are descended from an ancient and important bardic family, associated with the Lords of the Isles.

Alan Iain Cameron

Director of Community Engagement

Currie family

Seymour Hosking

#426

Jan - if you'd like some help with the Currie family, please contact me directly. You should be able to e-mail me directly. If not, do let me know here.

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Iain MacIntosh

#425

Have you an original official source for this assumption . I have come across so many Ancestry trees which have just copied unsubstantiated information without going back to original records for verification. My family in other trees have some whoppers! 🙄

Iain Macintosh

Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Susan Page

#424

My husband has done his DNA (he is a Currie thru his grandmother) and I’ve put it up on GEDmatch (its free)where comparisons can be made.

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On Jan 20, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:

Hi Anne - yes, he has done Ancestry's DNA test. I am really struggling with the Curries - FAR too many of them with the same name for my liking, lol. Thus far I have 8 Mary's in the tree & 7 Donald's, and I know that's just a drop in the bucket. The only Mary I have that is close to yours is a Mary b. 1796 whom I added just yesterday. Parents Donald & Catherine Mccannel.

Wayne's 3x ggm is also Mary 1787-1862. She married a James McDermid.

If you'd like to look for Wayne (this is an open invitation to anyone reading this) in your matches he is listed as 'K.W. McClelland'.

I gave up on Curries yesterday after several hours of trying to sort Johns, Donalds and Malcolms down to a match who is a 6th cousin. I got bogged down when I realized that I can't follow his tree - we get to an ancestral Donald that he says was born in ontario which can't be right if both parents died in Scotland, which is what I have. It's Donald, Malcolm & Mary soup, with a few Johns thrown in for good measure!