Re: Caullorsay, Islay
J LOCHRIDGE
I have come into this discussion late but is what is shown as Caullorsay, otherwise known as Coultorsay (Cultorsa) Kilchoman? Johan
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
Roger
Hi, here is my two pence worth – Corogortan in 1851 with its current name
being Corra Ghoirtein in Kilarrow parish – Hope this helps – NR 3145/6960.
Regards Roger
From: Dan Niven via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Caullorsay, Islay On a related note, in his memoirs (written in
the 1850s), my GGG grandfather, Daniel (Mac)Niven indicated that when his father
(Duncan MacNiven) married his mother (Flora Campbell) he quit working at sea and
moved to his father's (Malcolm MacNiven) farm in a place called "Cargostan",
Islay. My GGG grandfather said he was born there in 1766.
I have been unable to identify any
location/homestead with this name on Islay. My GGG grandfather was in his
80s when he wrote this, and although he was a native Gaelic speaker, he had not
set foot on Islay since he emigrated to the U.S. in 1791, so clearly time could
have clouded his memory of the spelling of the place.
When I visited Islay with my family we enquired
about this location and the best anyone could offer was that it was possibly
Conisby, where some MacNiven's still lived at the time. This may be, but
in his memoirs my GGG grandfather described how his mother apparently suffered
from severe post partum depression, and shortly after he was born she nearly
threw him off a cliff near the farmstead. There does not appear ot be a
cliff near Conisby, so I suspect that is not the "Cargostan" that my GGG
grandfather was referring to.
I'd appreciate any insights you may have about
this. Thanks very much.
Daniel Niven
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
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From: Sue Visser
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 8:28 PM To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Caullorsay, Islay
Its in Kilchoman Parish not Kildalton
-------- Original message -------- From: Glynn Currie <familyhistoryguy@...> Date: 2021-02-08 11:03 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Caullorsay, Islay
I have now been able to locate the farm of Coultorsay in Kildalton parish on Islay. For anyone who might be interested, it is about halfway between Port Charlotte and Bruchladdich. It is quite large and comes down to the sea near Port Flora.
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
Sue Visser
Its in Kilchoman Parish not Kildalton
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-------- Original message -------- From: Glynn Currie <familyhistoryguy@...> Date: 2021-02-08 11:03 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Caullorsay, Islay I found the location on a map at the National Library. of Scotland site. While I have not had time to familiarize myself with this site, it is very comprehensive and a great place for anyone looking for a Scottish location. Glynn
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
I have now been able to locate the farm of Coultorsay in Kildalton parish on Islay. For anyone who might be interested, it is about halfway between Port Charlotte and Bruchladdich. It is quite large and comes down to the sea near Port Flora.
I found the location on a map at the National Library. of Scotland site. While I have not had time to familiarize myself with this site, it is very comprehensive and a great place for anyone looking for a Scottish location. Glynn
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Colin Livingstone b c1858 d July 21, 1875
Sue Visser
The attached newspaper item was shared on Old Islay on Facebook. I’m
not related.
Happy Hunting
Sue Visser
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
Lately I've been reading this - lots of place name info.
THE NORSE IN ISLAY: A Settlement Historical Case-Study for Medieval Scandinavian Activity in Western Maritime Scotland Alan Macniven PhD The University of Edinburgh I can't send the link at the moment (on my phone) but if you google the title, it should come up. Free:.pdf Diane R
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Janice McClelland
Anne, that's great that you & Janet have confirmed links & solidified some connections.
I have to climb out of the tree for a bit as I have other commitments looming. Happy hunting to all~ Jan
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
Dan Niven
On a related note, in his memoirs (written in the 1850s), my GGG grandfather, Daniel (Mac)Niven indicated that when his father (Duncan MacNiven) married his mother (Flora Campbell) he quit working at sea and moved to his father's (Malcolm MacNiven) farm in a place called "Cargostan", Islay. My GGG grandfather said he was born there in 1766. I have been unable to identify any location/homestead with this name on Islay. My GGG grandfather was in his 80s when he wrote this, and although he was a native Gaelic speaker, he had not set foot on Islay since he emigrated to the U.S. in 1791, so clearly time could have clouded his memory of the spelling of the place. When I visited Islay with my family we enquired about this location and the best anyone could offer was that it was possibly Conisby, where some MacNiven's still lived at the time. This may be, but in his memoirs my GGG grandfather described how his mother apparently suffered from severe post partum depression, and shortly after he was born she nearly threw him off a cliff near the farmstead. There does not appear ot be a cliff near Conisby, so I suspect that is not the "Cargostan" that my GGG grandfather was referring to. I'd appreciate any insights you may have about this. Thanks very much. Daniel Niven
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
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From: Sue Visser
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:39 PM To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Caullorsay, Islay
Please give more info to help with the search. Check out Bob McQueen’s Index of Placenames http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/bobmq_audio.htm
Possibly Coultorsay?
From: Glynn Currie Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 10:19 PM To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: [Islay] Caullorsay, Islay
I have not been able to locate Caullorsay, Islay. The handwriting is not easy to read for certain, but looks the way I have spelled it here. I believe it is a farm. If anyone can help me spell it correctly or locate it I would be very appreciative.
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Re: Caullorsay, Islay
Sue Visser
Please give more info to help with the search. Check out Bob
McQueen’s Index of Placenames http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/bobmq_audio.htm
Possibly Coultorsay?
From: Glynn Currie
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 10:19 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] Caullorsay, Islay I
have not been able to locate Caullorsay, Islay. The handwriting
is not easy to read for certain, but looks the way I have spelled it here. I
believe it is a farm. If anyone can help me spell it correctly or locate it I
would be very appreciative. Glynn
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Caullorsay, Islay
I have not been able to locate Caullorsay, Islay. The handwriting is not easy to read for certain, but looks the way I have spelled it here. I believe it is a farm. If anyone can help me spell it correctly or locate it I would be very appreciative.
Glynn
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Anne Goeden
Hi Janice: It does all fit. And we have dna matches between Janet and her cousin and me and my cousin. Also her ancestor Alexander Currie and my ancestor Mary Currie both emigrated to Canada in 1851. ( maybe they both emigrated after their mother died?) Maybe with some more dna matches, I might be able to tie it all together. Anne
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 5:16 PM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote: Hi Ann (Goeden) - have you seen Janet Currie Chubb's comment left Jan 22 regarding her family - a Catherine SINCLAIR - and it appears the era fits.
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Re: John Sinclair Sarah Jamieson + Minto township, Ontario - CORRECTION!
tsinclair@...
Thanks for Roger McWee for noticing the error of my ways. The date I wrote for the marriage of son Alexander Sinclair and Annie McLellan was NOT 29 Jan. 1828. That was her birth date! (wrong column). So Julie, please correct that if you already noted it. Although they both came from Islay, I cannot find a marriage for them on the Island, so they must have married enroute or in the early days of their settling in Canada. I'll check my Ontario marriages next and let you know if I can find it.
Sorry for that misinformation. Toni
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Re: John Sinclair Sarah Jamieson + Minto township, Ontario
Hi Toni, could you clarify Alexander and Annie Sinclair’s dates please ? If they married in 1828, he would have been 10 at the time of his marriage and Annie 7 yrs at the time of her marriage, going by their ages at death? Also there seems to be a large gap between the marriage year and the birth years of their children?
Kindest regards
Iain MacIntosh
From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of tsinclair@...
Hello Julie,
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Re: John Sinclair Sarah Jamieson + Minto township, Ontario
tsinclair@...
Hello Julie,
Here's what I have for "Annie" McLellan in my notes. She and Alexander Sinclair were married 29 January,1828. She was the daughter of Archibald and Catherine McLellan. Alex died on the 9th of Oct.1909, age 91 yrs. Buried at Farewell Cemetery, Bethel, Mount Forest. Annie died 1 May,1911, age.90 yrs. Their children were: 1. John,1851; 2. Archibald, 3. Catherine, 1852; 4. Sarah ca 1861; 5. Charles (or Donald Charles?); 6. Annie; 7. Lizzie, 8. Florence, 9. Robert; 10. Duncan,1867; 11. Alex. 1872 I have some more info on their spouses, locations, census records, obits, etc. Which line is your's? and I'll see what else I have for you. In case you are wondering, the Minto Sinclairs are not our Islay Sinclair line (our's settled in Fenelon twp), but I corresponded with a few descendants of John and Sarah when I was doing a newsletter article on the Minto family. Toni Sinclair
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Janice McClelland
Hi Ann (Goeden) - have you seen Janet Currie Chubb's comment left Jan 22 regarding her family - a Catherine SINCLAIR - and it appears the era fits.
Jan
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Re: McEwan - 1881 Census location
John Kemplen
Given the ease with which some people's written 'n' could be mis-transcribed as 'u', my best guess would be Gortan, on the west shore of Loch Indaal on the road now called the A847, just south of its junction with the B8018, which might well have been spelt Goirtean in those days.. If you have the whole Census page to hand, something I have found quite useful is to look at other entries on the page for clues to locations as entries are often grouped geographically. If you have entries from other households with locatable addresses, then Enumeration District numbers and Household Schedule Numbers (within the same ED) can also give an indication of proximity to the household of interest. Hope this helps. John
On 29/01/2021 11:18,
jkath@... wrote:
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McEwan - 1881 Census location
jkath@...
Hi I’m hoping for some help in finding a location listed in the 1881 Census for William McEwan and his wife Catherine (nee Niven/McNiven). The address listed on the 1881 transcription on Ancestry has the address as Goirteau Cottar'S Ho. I’ve tried looking at the ordnance survey maps via the National Library of Scotland website but I’m not having much luck. I would really appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance Jessica
William McEwan in the 1881 Scotland Census
Source Citation Parish: Kilchoman; ED: 7; Page: 1; Line: 10; Roll: cssct1881_156 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1881 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Embleton House
Thank you for the idea! I might give that a whirl
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From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman
Sent: January 28, 2021 7:46 PM To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help
What can work is *writing it up!* Look at a family, or a person, note carefully the records and if you want more people to read your post -- include some images. You can screenshot some records so that only the part pertaining to your family or person is shown. Introduce the person/family, summarize the facts and supporting evidence, and explain why your ancestor is not the same person as someone with the same name in the neighboring town/county/state, or whatever the wrong "facts" are being stated without evidence.
You don't need a website -- there are lots of places to post your proof statement. Your genealogy society might have a blog, or journal, or maybe it's easiest to just start up a free blog and do it there. Blogger and Wordpress are both free and easy to set up. Mine is at https://genweblog.blogspot.com/. I still get contacts from cousins from old posts! Some people even write short posts on Twitter!
Valorie
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:12 PM Embleton House <ehouse@...> wrote:
-- http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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