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Re: Farm Community

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks. I will check that out.

Glynn

 

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From: Doug Carmichael
Sent: March 6, 2021 12:24 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Farm Community

 

Glen, there is a good deal of detail reguarding  Scotish agriculture  during the 1813 onward removals in Sutherland.

 SET ADRIFT UPON THE WORLD is the title , James Hunter is the author. Cheers Douglas Carmichael.

On Mar 6, 2021 01:29, Glynn Currie <familyhistoryguy@...> wrote:

I have completed  a spread sheet based on the 1871 Census for an Islay farm. It raises a number of interesting questions. I wonder if anyone can add to or modify my thoughts.
The term "farm" has two different usages here. The first use describes the entire piece of land used by a small community of people. The second use describes a small piece of that land, farmed by one farmer.
The farm community had 74 people living in 16 family groupings listed in the census. Not everyone had a job listed. I wonder if they would have been working together on a family farm.
9 people were listed as farmers. Each had a piece of land varying from 20 to 60 acres. However, only a small piece of each farm was arable land varying from 5 to 10 acres. In fact of the total 320 acres available for farming, only 92 were arable land suited for crops.
1 person was listed as a crofter and 1 was listed as a herdsman.
I wonder what the difference between the crofter and the farmers would be.
Would the herdsman be responsible for a community herd? Or would that herd belong to an absentee person, the land owner or the tacksman?
Presumably the land was owned by an aristocratic landlord, such as the Campbells and was managed by a tacksman who would not have lived there. I wonder about differing social status levels of the people living on the farm. Would the farmers be considered the highest status people in the community?
Would people move onto and off of the farm at frequent intervals, or would most of them be inclined to live on the farm for life?
If anyone could help me to learn about this life style I would appreciate it. Possibly there are other readers who would find it interesting as well.
Glynn

 

 


Re: Farm Community

Glynn Currie
 

Yes. The farm was Duich Lotts (or Duich Lots). It is of special interest to me because both my grandfather and great grandfather lived there. For now my interest lies more in learning about the life style of the time than in reading documents to push the family line back any further. Hence the attempt to learn about the farm.

Glynn

 

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From: J LOCHRIDGE via groups.io
Sent: March 6, 2021 12:28 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Farm Community

 

Good Morning Glynn,

That sounds like a very interesting piece of work but I am sure I won't be the only one who wants to know the name of the farm. I don't have any academic knowledge of farms/land etc but I have heard the description, "Farm Village" before now. That would be when there would be a farm house and a number of cottages or buildings for farm workers, eg shepherd, cattleman, ploughman, to name but a few.

I look forward to learning more too, from the answers which I am sure will be forthcoming.

Regards

Johan





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From: "Glynn Currie" <familyhistoryguy@...>
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 6 Mar, 21 At 05:29
Subject: [Islay] Farm Community

I have completed a spread sheet based on the 1871 Census for an Islay farm. It raises a number of interesting questions. I wonder if anyone can add to or modify my thoughts.
The term "farm" has two different usages here. The first use describes the entire piece of land used by a small community of people. The second use describes a small piece of that land, farmed by one farmer.
The farm community had 74 people living in 16 family groupings listed in the census. Not everyone had a job listed. I wonder if they would have been working together on a family farm.
9 people were listed as farmers. Each had a piece of land varying from 20 to 60 acres. However, only a small piece of each farm was arable land varying from 5 to 10 acres. In fact of the total 320 acres available for farming, only 92 were arable land suited for crops.
1 person was listed as a crofter and 1 was listed as a herdsman.
I wonder what the difference between the crofter and the farmers would be.
Would the herdsman be responsible for a community herd? Or would that herd belong to an absentee person, the land owner or the tacksman?
Presumably the land was owned by an aristocratic landlord, such as the Campbells and was managed by a tacksman who would not have lived there. I wonder about differing social status levels of the people living on the farm. Would the farmers be considered the highest status people in the community?
Would people move onto and off of the farm at frequent intervals, or would most of them be inclined to live on the farm for life?
If anyone could help me to learn about this life style I would appreciate it. Possibly there are other readers who would find it interesting as well.
Glynn

 

 


Re: Farm Community

Doug Carmichael
 

Glen, there is a good deal of detail reguarding  Scotish agriculture  during the 1813 onward removals in Sutherland.
 SET ADRIFT UPON THE WORLD is the title , James Hunter is the author. Cheers Douglas Carmichael.

On Mar 6, 2021 01:29, Glynn Currie <familyhistoryguy@...> wrote:
I have completed  a spread sheet based on the 1871 Census for an Islay farm. It raises a number of interesting questions. I wonder if anyone can add to or modify my thoughts.
The term "farm" has two different usages here. The first use describes the entire piece of land used by a small community of people. The second use describes a small piece of that land, farmed by one farmer.
The farm community had 74 people living in 16 family groupings listed in the census. Not everyone had a job listed. I wonder if they would have been working together on a family farm.
9 people were listed as farmers. Each had a piece of land varying from 20 to 60 acres. However, only a small piece of each farm was arable land varying from 5 to 10 acres. In fact of the total 320 acres available for farming, only 92 were arable land suited for crops.
1 person was listed as a crofter and 1 was listed as a herdsman.
I wonder what the difference between the crofter and the farmers would be.
Would the herdsman be responsible for a community herd? Or would that herd belong to an absentee person, the land owner or the tacksman?
Presumably the land was owned by an aristocratic landlord, such as the Campbells and was managed by a tacksman who would not have lived there. I wonder about differing social status levels of the people living on the farm. Would the farmers be considered the highest status people in the community?
Would people move onto and off of the farm at frequent intervals, or would most of them be inclined to live on the farm for life?
If anyone could help me to learn about this life style I would appreciate it. Possibly there are other readers who would find it interesting as well.
Glynn


Re: Farm Community

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Good Morning Glynn,

That sounds like a very interesting piece of work but I am sure I won't be the only one who wants to know the name of the farm. I don't have any academic knowledge of farms/land etc but I have heard the description, "Farm Village" before now. That would be when there would be a farm house and a number of cottages or buildings for farm workers, eg shepherd, cattleman, ploughman, to name but a few.

I look forward to learning more too, from the answers which I am sure will be forthcoming.

Regards

Johan




------ Original Message ------
From: "Glynn Currie" <familyhistoryguy@...>
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 6 Mar, 21 At 05:29
Subject: [Islay] Farm Community

I have completed a spread sheet based on the 1871 Census for an Islay farm. It raises a number of interesting questions. I wonder if anyone can add to or modify my thoughts.
The term "farm" has two different usages here. The first use describes the entire piece of land used by a small community of people. The second use describes a small piece of that land, farmed by one farmer.
The farm community had 74 people living in 16 family groupings listed in the census. Not everyone had a job listed. I wonder if they would have been working together on a family farm.
9 people were listed as farmers. Each had a piece of land varying from 20 to 60 acres. However, only a small piece of each farm was arable land varying from 5 to 10 acres. In fact of the total 320 acres available for farming, only 92 were arable land suited for crops.
1 person was listed as a crofter and 1 was listed as a herdsman.
I wonder what the difference between the crofter and the farmers would be.
Would the herdsman be responsible for a community herd? Or would that herd belong to an absentee person, the land owner or the tacksman?
Presumably the land was owned by an aristocratic landlord, such as the Campbells and was managed by a tacksman who would not have lived there. I wonder about differing social status levels of the people living on the farm. Would the farmers be considered the highest status people in the community?
Would people move onto and off of the farm at frequent intervals, or would most of them be inclined to live on the farm for life?
If anyone could help me to learn about this life style I would appreciate it. Possibly there are other readers who would find it interesting as well.
Glynn



Farm Community

Glynn Currie
 

I have completed  a spread sheet based on the 1871 Census for an Islay farm. It raises a number of interesting questions. I wonder if anyone can add to or modify my thoughts.
The term "farm" has two different usages here. The first use describes the entire piece of land used by a small community of people. The second use describes a small piece of that land, farmed by one farmer.
The farm community had 74 people living in 16 family groupings listed in the census. Not everyone had a job listed. I wonder if they would have been working together on a family farm.
9 people were listed as farmers. Each had a piece of land varying from 20 to 60 acres. However, only a small piece of each farm was arable land varying from 5 to 10 acres. In fact of the total 320 acres available for farming, only 92 were arable land suited for crops.
1 person was listed as a crofter and 1 was listed as a herdsman.
I wonder what the difference between the crofter and the farmers would be.
Would the herdsman be responsible for a community herd? Or would that herd belong to an absentee person, the land owner or the tacksman?
Presumably the land was owned by an aristocratic landlord, such as the Campbells and was managed by a tacksman who would not have lived there. I wonder about differing social status levels of the people living on the farm. Would the farmers be considered the highest status people in the community?
Would people move onto and off of the farm at frequent intervals, or would most of them be inclined to live on the farm for life?
If anyone could help me to learn about this life style I would appreciate it. Possibly there are other readers who would find it interesting as well.
Glynn


Re: re help wanted

victormcginlay@...
 

Hello Ian I am afraid you have sent this too the wrong address.

On Friday, 26 February 2021, 00:51:26 GMT, Ian McEachern <mceachern@...> wrote:


Hello Linda,

John McEachern and his spouse, Katherine Clark of Bowmore had a daughter Flora, born 1819.

There is also Archibald born 1817, and twins Malcolm and Peter, born 1824.

Hope this is of some help to you.

Cheers,

Ian McEachern,

Western Australia




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Ian McEachern
 

Hello Linda,

John McEachern and his spouse, Katherine Clark of Bowmore had a daughter Flora, born 1819.

There is also Archibald born 1817, and twins Malcolm and Peter, born 1824.

Hope this is of some help to you.

Cheers,

Ian McEachern,

Western Australia




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Re: Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

linda@...
 

I have information from an elderly (since passed away) uncle's records that my GG Grandmother Flora McEachern, was born at Leachdehaunairt, Islay, Scotland, her father's name was John, her mother's name was Catherine Clark. He also suggested that this is why our family has a tendency to prefer Kilchoman whiskey, which as a youngster I didn't understand. My GG Grandmother, married a MacDonald, lived on Mull until she immigrated to New Zealand, where she lived her life out. John McEachern, an elder from Leckgrunart, in the #550 message is the first written evidence I've seen, that he existed. The timing, age, location are all correct. My Scottish son-in-law has informed me that Leachdehaunairt is an Englishman's spelling of Leckgrunart.
Can anyone point me in a direction to find anything more about John McEachern, please?
I am a novice here and any help is most appreciated.
Thanks
Linda.


Re: WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

PAUL MACK
 

Thank you – this is marvellous!

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue Visser
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 12:25 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

 

Hello Paul.  I’m not related.

 

 

Good Luck and Happy Hunting,

Sue Visser (up the road in Guelph and been through Strabane many times)

 

A possibility from the 1841 Islay census transcriptions (so if this looks like your family, it’s wise to check out the original records)

 

 

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

William

Morrison

Male

50

Farmer

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

Margaret

Morrison

Female

40

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

Robert

Morrison

Male

22

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

Catherine

Morrison

Female

18

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

Donald

Morrison

Male

12

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

Bell

Morrison

Female

8

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

Margaret

Morrison

Female

6

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

John

Morrison

Male

4

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

Jane

Morrison

Female

2

ARY

Oa

69

3

Upper Killean

N.K.

Morrison

Female

1 Wk

ARY

 

 

 

The same family in 1851 census:

 

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

William

Morrison

Male

62

Head

Farmer

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

Peggy

Morrison

Female

56

Wife

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

Donald

Morrison

Male

21

Son

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

Bell

Morrison

Female

19

Daughter

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

Peggy

Morrison

Female

17

Daughter

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

John

Morrison

Male

15

Son

Scholar

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

Jean

Morrison

Female

13

Daughter

Scholar

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

William

Morrison

Male

9

Son

Scholar

Oa

Oa

16

6

Upper Killian

Katherine

Morrison

Female

3

Grand Daughter

Oa

Oa

17

6

Upper Killian

Robert

Morrison

Male

32

Head

Farm Servant

Oa

Oa

17

6

Upper Killian

Margaret

Morrison

Female

36

Wife

Kilchoman

Oa

17

6

Upper Killian

Edward

Morrison

Male

3

Son

Oa

 

 

 

From: maxlaw@...

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:30 PM

Subject: [Islay] WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

 

Folks, this is my first post, so I hope I am doing it right.
My current information about my wife's Morrison family is WILLIAM MORRISON (b. 1788,;d. 9 May 1805); DONALD (b. 1827, Upper Killeyan, Oa, Islay; d. 24 Dec. 1902 Strabane, Ontario); DUNCAN (b. 3 Mar 1883; d. 29 Mar. 1941). Duncan's son, WILLIAM DOUGLAS MORRISON, is my (deceased) father-in-law.
Naturally, I would appreciate any further information - or correction of errors.
sincerely,
Paul D. Mack


Re: WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

PAUL MACK
 

Thanks so much.

This is very exciting!

My wife is Jacqueline (Morrison).

I will definitely be in contact – hopefully, tonight!

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 1:27 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

 

Paul,

I have a direct hit with your family.

Let me ask whether the maiden surname of your mother-in-law was Frid, and of her mother-in-law was Ferrier.  And of course you would know a Jacquline.

If so, I suggest that you contact me off-List and we can fill in details for each other.  If you can’t see my address on the listing, it is kenharrison43ATshaw.ca.

Your family was originally named McVoran and most (but not all) of them “Anglicised” the name in the early 1800s to Morrison.

I have obtained most of the information from other relatives in Ontario and can put you in touch with them, in case you are not already in contact.  I am also probably connected with the family, but have not been able to find documentation of the connection between them and my 3xGGmother, Grace McVoran (Morrison), who I suspect may have been a sister of your William 1788.

I have info on the parents of William, plus another sister.

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, BC

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of maxlaw@...
Sent: February 22, 2021 5:30 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

 

Folks, this is my first post, so I hope I am doing it right.
My current information about my wife's Morrison family is WILLIAM MORRISON (b. 1788,;d. 9 May 1805); DONALD (b. 1827, Upper Killeyan, Oa, Islay; d. 24 Dec. 1902 Strabane, Ontario); DUNCAN (b. 3 Mar 1883; d. 29 Mar. 1941). Duncan's son, WILLIAM DOUGLAS MORRISON, is my (deceased) father-in-law.
Naturally, I would appreciate any further information - or correction of errors.
sincerely, 
Paul D. Mack


Re: WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

Ken Harrison
 

Paul,

I have a direct hit with your family.

Let me ask whether the maiden surname of your mother-in-law was Frid, and of her mother-in-law was Ferrier.  And of course you would know a Jacquline.

If so, I suggest that you contact me off-List and we can fill in details for each other.  If you can’t see my address on the listing, it is kenharrison43ATshaw.ca.

Your family was originally named McVoran and most (but not all) of them “Anglicised” the name in the early 1800s to Morrison.

I have obtained most of the information from other relatives in Ontario and can put you in touch with them, in case you are not already in contact.  I am also probably connected with the family, but have not been able to find documentation of the connection between them and my 3xGGmother, Grace McVoran (Morrison), who I suspect may have been a sister of your William 1788.

I have info on the parents of William, plus another sister.

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, BC

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of maxlaw@...
Sent: February 22, 2021 5:30 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

 

Folks, this is my first post, so I hope I am doing it right.
My current information about my wife's Morrison family is WILLIAM MORRISON (b. 1788,;d. 9 May 1805); DONALD (b. 1827, Upper Killeyan, Oa, Islay; d. 24 Dec. 1902 Strabane, Ontario); DUNCAN (b. 3 Mar 1883; d. 29 Mar. 1941). Duncan's son, WILLIAM DOUGLAS MORRISON, is my (deceased) father-in-law.
Naturally, I would appreciate any further information - or correction of errors.
sincerely, 
Paul D. Mack


Re: WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

Sue Visser
 

Hello Paul.  I’m not related.
 
 
Good Luck and Happy Hunting,
Sue Visser (up the road in Guelph and been through Strabane many times)
 
A possibility from the 1841 Islay census transcriptions (so if this looks like your family, it’s wise to check out the original records)
 
 
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean William Morrison Male 50 Farmer ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean Margaret Morrison Female 40
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean Robert Morrison Male 22
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean Catherine Morrison Female 18
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean Donald Morrison Male 12
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean Bell Morrison Female 8
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean Margaret Morrison Female 6
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean John Morrison Male 4
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean Jane Morrison Female 2
ARY
Oa 69 3 Upper Killean N.K. Morrison Female 1 Wk
ARY
 
 
 
The same family in 1851 census:
 
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian William Morrison Male 62 Head Farmer Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian Peggy Morrison Female 56 Wife
Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian Donald Morrison Male 21 Son
Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian Bell Morrison Female 19 Daughter
Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian Peggy Morrison Female 17 Daughter
Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian John Morrison Male 15 Son Scholar Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian Jean Morrison Female 13 Daughter Scholar Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian William Morrison Male 9 Son Scholar Oa
Oa 16 6 Upper Killian Katherine Morrison Female 3 Grand Daughter
Oa
Oa 17 6 Upper Killian Robert Morrison Male 32 Head Farm Servant Oa
Oa 17 6 Upper Killian Margaret Morrison Female 36 Wife
Kilchoman
Oa 17 6 Upper Killian Edward Morrison Male 3 Son
Oa
 
 
 

From: maxlaw@...
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:30 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON
 
Folks, this is my first post, so I hope I am doing it right.
My current information about my wife's Morrison family is WILLIAM MORRISON (b. 1788,;d. 9 May 1805); DONALD (b. 1827, Upper Killeyan, Oa, Islay; d. 24 Dec. 1902 Strabane, Ontario); DUNCAN (b. 3 Mar 1883; d. 29 Mar. 1941). Duncan's son, WILLIAM DOUGLAS MORRISON, is my (deceased) father-in-law.
Naturally, I would appreciate any further information - or correction of errors.
sincerely,
Paul D. Mack


WILLIAM, DONALD, DUNCAN MORRISON

PAUL MACK
 

Folks, this is my first post, so I hope I am doing it right.
My current information about my wife's Morrison family is WILLIAM MORRISON (b. 1788,;d. 9 May 1805); DONALD (b. 1827, Upper Killeyan, Oa, Islay; d. 24 Dec. 1902 Strabane, Ontario); DUNCAN (b. 3 Mar 1883; d. 29 Mar. 1941). Duncan's son, WILLIAM DOUGLAS MORRISON, is my (deceased) father-in-law.
Naturally, I would appreciate any further information - or correction of errors.
sincerely, 
Paul D. Mack


Kilchoman Parish records

Lynn Seamark
 

I guess I was a bit off on my comment that records in Kilchoman were destroyed before 1822/1823. The cousin who told me this well over 20 years ago had visited Islay and someone there had told her about the record destruction to explain why there were no older records. Apparently that person was a bit misinformed or memories had been fuzzy. But it did open the dialogue and now I understand more clearly. Thank you.

 

I looked up on Scotspeople and their list of older church records for Argyll are displayed. I realize now the records are different for each parish depending on what was available.  I do go back to the transcriptions of those records I got from our Islay group often enough – and this helps me understand what might be available/missing and noticeably the lack of death records. Because my lot were in Kilchoman it has always been difficult to get much past that 1820’s date.

 

Below are some of the listings:

 

539. JURA AND COLONSAY

Jura

B 1704-1819 M 1811-19 D -

B 1819-54 M 1819-54 D

Colonsay

B 1796-1819 M 1796-1819 D - 5392/2

B 1820-54 M 1813-54 D 1848-54

540. KILCHOMAN

B 1820-54 M 1821-54 D -

541. KILDALTON

B 1723-1819 M 1722-1819 D

B 1820-54 M 1820-54 D –

542. KILFINICHEN AND KILVICKEON

B 1804-19 M 1804-19 D - 542/2 B 1820-54 M 1820-54  

543. KILMENY

B 1802-19 M - D –

B 1820-54 M -

544. KILNINIAN AND KILMORE

 

Lynn


Valuation Rolls

Glynn Currie
 

Would the names of people on the valuation lists have been listed in the same order as the building locations on the street?
Glynn


Re: Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

Ken Harrison
 

Elaine,

As Sue says, these first 16 months are “suspect”. 

Do those entries appear as if they were written in the same hand at a “single sitting”?  or do they look as though they were written at different times (like the ones from August onwards)?

Ken

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue Visser
Sent: February 21, 2021 4:07 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

 

Interesting to note that the Session meeting date is Aug 1822 when it was decided to buy session books to record Kilchoman Parish Marriages and Baptisms but the first recorded bapt and marriage were in 1821, almost 1 1/2 years earlier.  Was someone documenting earlier – or was it from memory?  As such, those dates prior to Aug 1822 cannot be considered “primary” sources.

 

Thanks for sharing Kilchoman BM facts Iain and Elaine.

Sue Visser

double masking, sanitizing, distancing, isolating and patiently awaiting vaccinations in snowing again Ontario


Re: Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

Sue Visser
 

Interesting to note that the Session meeting date is Aug 1822 when it was decided to buy session books to record Kilchoman Parish Marriages and Baptisms but the first recorded bapt and marriage were in 1821, almost 1 1/2 years earlier.  Was someone documenting earlier – or was it from memory?  As such, those dates prior to Aug 1822 cannot be considered “primary” sources.
 
Thanks for sharing Kilchoman BM facts Iain and Elaine.
Sue Visser
double masking, sanitizing, distancing, isolating and patiently awaiting vaccinations in snowing again Ontario


Re: Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

Iain MacIntosh
 

Brilliant Elaine. Thanks very much.

I knew I wasn’t far off.  I found my notes after searching the individual Elder’s records from the  names in your email.  Neil McNeill (Ardnacross McNeills) of Ellister who married Annabella Gillies (not Islay).  I understand that the splitting of Portnahaven and Kilchoman parishes didn’t take place until 1849, so the Portnahaven link had me confused. Obviously still part of Kilchoman Parish in the 1820’s.

 

My copy below has your ‘missing’ word

 

Braving the weather?  Take care and look after yourself.

 

Regards

Iain

 

Minute of Kilchoman Presbytery re Portnahaven Register

 

Register of Baptism

 

Kilchoman 13th August 1822

The Kirk Session of Kilchoman being met and constructed sederunt the Revd John McKellar, Mr Dugald Campbell, Captain of Ballinaby,  Mr Neil McNeill, Ellister, Mr Duncan Campbell, Kilchoman, Mr John Ross, Kelsay, Duncan Bell, Conisby, John McEachran, Lockgruinart, Angus Lamont, Gruinart, Murdoch McTaggart, Corsable, Donald McIntyre, Glassence, Elders, and having taken into their consideration the state of the funds of the Parish and particularly the Kirk Session books.  They found with deep regret that with no Register for Marriages and Baptisms were kept in the Parish previous to the Month of April 1821.  They therefore authorized their Moderator to purchase Books for the use of the Kirk Session, and to defray the expenses from the Kirk Session Funds, which was done accordingly.  Closed with prayer

John McKellar, Moderator

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Elaine via groups.io
Sent: 21 February 2021 10:09
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

 

Hello Iain - All good here on Islay, hope you and yours are all well.

 

Taken from Kilchoman OPR:

 

 

"Kilchoman 13th Aug’t 1822

The Kirk Session of Kilchoman being met and constituted (----word not clear), the Rev’d John McKellar Mod’r, Dugald Campbell Esq’r of Ballinaby, Mr Neil McNeill Ellister, Mr Duncan Campbell Kilchoman, Mr John Ross Kelsay, Duncan Bell Conisby, John McEachern Leckgrunart, Angus Lamont Grunart, Murdoch McTaggart Corsable, Donald McIntyre Glassence, Elders & having taken into their consideration the state of the Funds of the Parish & particularly the Kirk Session Books, they found with deep regret that no register for Marriages and Baptisms were kept in the Parish previous to the month of April 1821.  They therefore authorized their Moderator to purchase Books for the use of the Kirk Session & to defray the expenses from the Kirk Session Funds which was done accordingly.  Closed with prayer.

John McKellar, Moderator"

 

(Note: 1st entry in Baptism Register is 17 April 1821 and 1st entry in Marriage Register is 7 May 1821)

 

 Regards, Elaine

 

On Saturday, 20 February 2021, 21:28:26 GMT, Iain MacIntosh <iainmacintosh75@...> wrote:

 

 

 Could you check the first few frames of the films. I seem to remember the note of the meeting instructing the Minister to buy as book to record births bAptisms and marriages. I was sure this was dated c 1821 - either Portnahaven or Kilchoman.  Hope you are well Elaine.  Long time no see?

Regards

Iain 

 

 

 



 

Iain 

 

 

 

On 20 Feb 2021, at 20:30, Elaine via groups.io <elaine.islay@...> wrote:



Iain MacIntosh

 

I have the OPR film reels for Islay - what information were you looking for?

 

Elaine Scott

 

On Friday, 19 February 2021, 13:51:41 GMT, Iain MacIntosh <iainmacintosh75@...> wrote:

 

 

 The Kilchoman OPR  ia available in 1821.  From recollection there is a note at the start of the OPR film which says something about the Presbytery instructing the Minister to purchase a book from the poor fund for the purpose of recording births, baptisms and marriages.  Certainly there are births recorded in 1821 which was the year Portnahaven parish was separated out from the Kilchoman Parish.  I took a note of it, but can’t find it at present.  Anyone have access to RD 547/540 films?

Regards

 

Iain 

 

 

 



 

Iain 

 

 

 

On 18 Feb 2021, at 17:03, Lynn Seamark <lmseamark@...> wrote:



These are from the Islay birth spreadsheet

 

McArthur

Charles

McNabb

Elizabeth

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

27

May

1817

Kilarrow

McArthur

John

McArthur

Nancy

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

12

Oct

1817

Kilarrow

McArthur

Alex

Cameron

Peggy

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

9

Sep

1818

Kilarrow

McArthur

Niel

Kelly

Rose

 

Mary

 

 

 

10

Feb

1820

Kildalton

McArthur

Donald

Morrison

Margaret

 

Mary

8

Jan

1826

11

Oct

1825

Kilchoman

McArthur

Finlay

McCuaig

Cath

Avinvoggie

Mary

 

 

 

19

Apr

1825

Kilarrow

McArthur

Hugh

McCuaig

Flora

 

Mary

 

 

 

29

Apr

1825

Kildalton

McArthur

Charles

Campbell

Giles

Ballatersin

Mary

 

 

 

1

Dec

1827

Kilarrow

 

Any other births in Kilchoman before 1823 will be missing as records were destroyed.

 

Lynn Seamark


Re: Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

Elaine
 

Hello Iain - All good here on Islay, hope you and yours are all well.

Taken from Kilchoman OPR:


"Kilchoman 13th Aug’t 1822

The Kirk Session of Kilchoman being met and constituted (----word not clear), the Rev’d John McKellar Mod’r, Dugald Campbell Esq’r of Ballinaby, Mr Neil McNeill Ellister, Mr Duncan Campbell Kilchoman, Mr John Ross Kelsay, Duncan Bell Conisby, John McEachern Leckgrunart, Angus Lamont Grunart, Murdoch McTaggart Corsable, Donald McIntyre Glassence, Elders & having taken into their consideration the state of the Funds of the Parish & particularly the Kirk Session Books, they found with deep regret that no register for Marriages and Baptisms were kept in the Parish previous to the month of April 1821.  They therefore authorized their Moderator to purchase Books for the use of the Kirk Session & to defray the expenses from the Kirk Session Funds which was done accordingly.  Closed with prayer.

John McKellar, Moderator"

 

(Note: 1st entry in Baptism Register is 17 April 1821 and 1st entry in Marriage Register is 7 May 1821)

 

 Regards, Elaine

On Saturday, 20 February 2021, 21:28:26 GMT, Iain MacIntosh <iainmacintosh75@...> wrote:


 Could you check the first few frames of the films. I seem to remember the note of the meeting instructing the Minister to buy as book to record births bAptisms and marriages. I was sure this was dated c 1821 - either Portnahaven or Kilchoman.  Hope you are well Elaine.  Long time no see?
Regards

Iain 







Iain 



On 20 Feb 2021, at 20:30, Elaine via groups.io <elaine.islay@...> wrote:


Iain MacIntosh

I have the OPR film reels for Islay - what information were you looking for?

Elaine Scott

On Friday, 19 February 2021, 13:51:41 GMT, Iain MacIntosh <iainmacintosh75@...> wrote:


 The Kilchoman OPR  ia available in 1821.  From recollection there is a note at the start of the OPR film which says something about the Presbytery instructing the Minister to purchase a book from the poor fund for the purpose of recording births, baptisms and marriages.  Certainly there are births recorded in 1821 which was the year Portnahaven parish was separated out from the Kilchoman Parish.  I took a note of it, but can’t find it at present.  Anyone have access to RD 547/540 films?
Regards

Iain 







Iain 



On 18 Feb 2021, at 17:03, Lynn Seamark <lmseamark@...> wrote:



These are from the Islay birth spreadsheet

 

McArthur

Charles

McNabb

Elizabeth

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

27

May

1817

Kilarrow

McArthur

John

McArthur

Nancy

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

12

Oct

1817

Kilarrow

McArthur

Alex

Cameron

Peggy

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

9

Sep

1818

Kilarrow

McArthur

Niel

Kelly

Rose

 

Mary

 

 

 

10

Feb

1820

Kildalton

McArthur

Donald

Morrison

Margaret

 

Mary

8

Jan

1826

11

Oct

1825

Kilchoman

McArthur

Finlay

McCuaig

Cath

Avinvoggie

Mary

 

 

 

19

Apr

1825

Kilarrow

McArthur

Hugh

McCuaig

Flora

 

Mary

 

 

 

29

Apr

1825

Kildalton

McArthur

Charles

Campbell

Giles

Ballatersin

Mary

 

 

 

1

Dec

1827

Kilarrow

 

Any other births in Kilchoman before 1823 will be missing as records were destroyed.

 

Lynn Seamark


Re: Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

Iain MacIntosh
 

Could you check the first few frames of the films. I seem to remember the note of the meeting instructing the Minister to buy as book to record births bAptisms and marriages. I was sure this was dated c 1821 - either Portnahaven or Kilchoman.  Hope you are well Elaine.  Long time no see?
Regards

Iain 







Iain 



On 20 Feb 2021, at 20:30, Elaine via groups.io <elaine.islay@...> wrote:


Iain MacIntosh

I have the OPR film reels for Islay - what information were you looking for?

Elaine Scott

On Friday, 19 February 2021, 13:51:41 GMT, Iain MacIntosh <iainmacintosh75@...> wrote:


 The Kilchoman OPR  ia available in 1821.  From recollection there is a note at the start of the OPR film which says something about the Presbytery instructing the Minister to purchase a book from the poor fund for the purpose of recording births, baptisms and marriages.  Certainly there are births recorded in 1821 which was the year Portnahaven parish was separated out from the Kilchoman Parish.  I took a note of it, but can’t find it at present.  Anyone have access to RD 547/540 films?
Regards

Iain 







Iain 



On 18 Feb 2021, at 17:03, Lynn Seamark <lmseamark@...> wrote:



These are from the Islay birth spreadsheet

 

McArthur

Charles

McNabb

Elizabeth

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

27

May

1817

Kilarrow

McArthur

John

McArthur

Nancy

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

12

Oct

1817

Kilarrow

McArthur

Alex

Cameron

Peggy

Bowmore

Mary

 

 

 

9

Sep

1818

Kilarrow

McArthur

Niel

Kelly

Rose

 

Mary

 

 

 

10

Feb

1820

Kildalton

McArthur

Donald

Morrison

Margaret

 

Mary

8

Jan

1826

11

Oct

1825

Kilchoman

McArthur

Finlay

McCuaig

Cath

Avinvoggie

Mary

 

 

 

19

Apr

1825

Kilarrow

McArthur

Hugh

McCuaig

Flora

 

Mary

 

 

 

29

Apr

1825

Kildalton

McArthur

Charles

Campbell

Giles

Ballatersin

Mary

 

 

 

1

Dec

1827

Kilarrow

 

Any other births in Kilchoman before 1823 will be missing as records were destroyed.

 

Lynn Seamark

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