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Currie / McVurich - please help

Janice McClelland
 

Hi All - Wayne's 4x ggf is Donald Currie 1760-1840, Bowmore. Ancestry says that Donald's father was Ivar Currie McVurich, based on info from 17 family trees but few records. I have yet to add Ivar to the tree as I don't understand the Currie/McVurich name combo/change & haven't found an explanation or records that clearly state the situation that make me confident Ivar is my guy. Hoping Wayne's Currie cousins can shed some light on this for me.

Kind regards, 
Jan McClelland


Re: Valuation Rolls

tsinclair@...
 

Hello Glynn,
If it helps at all - in the 1828 Black Book (List of Tenants on the Estate of Islay), I see a listing for "Neil McDearmid's heirs" in Bowmore.  No specific address back then.
I typed up this list  back in 2000 (which is what John referred to in aprevious email), but I also still have a photocopy of the original.
Toni


Valuation Rolls

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks to John Klemplen's help I was able to find the valuation rolls for my great grandfather, Archibald McDiarmid, in Bowmore, Islay. It affirms that he lived on Shore Street which is the street mentioned on my Grandmother's birth certificate. If anyone is willing, I would like a lesson on reading the roll. Some things I can guess, but guessing is not as good as learning from a knowledgeable person. If anyone is willing to take the time I would appreciate hearing what you have to say about this particular document.
Thanks,
Glynn Currie



Thanks to John Klemplen's help I was able to find the valuation rolls for my great grandfather, Archibald McDiarmid, in Bowmore, Islay. 


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Re: Valuation Rolls

Glynn Currie
 

Hi John,

I am at home on the computer this evening. Earlier I was reading email on my phone. Now I am able to open your map and am quite excited. There is a great deal of detail there. At some point I would like to visit Islay and see these places in person, but for now things such as this map give the impression that I know the place.

Thank you.

Glynn

 

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Hi Glynn

I can't answer your question about valuation rolls.  All I can say is that I haven't come across anything like them for the towns and villages, though there are lists that hint at some sort of valuation for farm tenancies.  There is a book of tenancies that includes the towns and villages as well as the farms for 1828 called the Black Book of Islay which you can find with a simple web search, but that is very vague on locations, certainly not giving street numbers.

Even today, street numbering on Islay can be very haphazard, with evidence of two or even three attempts at numbering systems overlaid on each other.  The earliest system was based on feu numbers.  I think that is feu as in feudal, though I have seen one suggestion that feu is related to fee.  You could try this reference, but it left me more confused than enlightened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feu_(land_tenure)

Feu numbers are still very much in evidence in street numbering in Port Charlotte, and I suspect that may also be the case in Port Ellen and Bowmore.  The system usually involved numbers going up one side of a street then back down the other side, then going round the corner into another street, up one side of it and back down the other side, then turning the corner of the first street and carrying on until the next street and so on.  This is particularly evident in Port Charlotte and to some extent in Port Ellen where numbers on Frederick Crescent dive off up Lennox Street then back down the other side before continuing along the next stretch of Frederick Crescent.

I suspect, though I don't know for sure, that the same thing may have happened in Bowmore, with feu numbers starting in the Square, then going out and back on Shore Street, then up one block on the east side of Main Street, then out and back on Jamieson Street, then up the next block of Main Street to the top, then back along the west side to Flora Street, out and back along that street then possibly carrying on along the west side of Main Street.  I am deducing that from very fragmentary indications, and I suspect that when a stretch of numbers fell out of use and a number was required for another property, a number may have been brought into use based on other numbers nearby with no regard for any specific logical numbering scheme.

Even today, street numbers on Shore Street are erratic and fragmentary.  In the Royal Mail online postcode finder, only six numbers are given for properties on Shore Sreet (10, 17, 20, 23, 24 and 26), and all other properties are referenced by name.  A few more appear on the most detailed map I can find (attached), (12, 18 and 25A), and in some cases it is possible to fill in the blanks, but some look pretty random, like 23 being opposite 24, 25A and 26.

I have it in mind to try to piece the feu numbering system together from documents in the Islay Estate Papers in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, but that is not going to happen until I have completed other projects.

Good luck!

John

 

 

On 11/01/2021 03:51, Glynn Currie wrote:

There don't seem to be any Valuation Rolls published for Islay. Is this correct?
My grandmother, Flora McDiarmid, was born on Shore Street in Bowmore, Islay, Argyle, in 1883. Of course there are no house numbers given for that time period.
Her father, Archibald McDiarmid, is listed as living on Shore Street, Bowmore, in the period census. It seems likely this would refer to the same house.
I would like to identify the building if I can. That way I could use Google Earth to get a look at it. I wonder if anyone can suggest an approach to identifying this building.
Thanks,
Glynn

 

 

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Re: Valuation Rolls

Glynn Currie
 

I can certainly do that.
Glynn



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Date: 2021-01-11 09:08 (GMT-08:00)
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Valuation Rolls

PS There is an Archibald McDermid living in a house in the right parish, but the place just says "House", not Bowmore or Shore Street.  You would probably have to buy some credits to see if the original record gave more clues.

On 11/01/2021 17:01, John Kemplen wrote:

Glynn

There ARE Valuation Rolls for Islay for the period you are looking for.  You will find them on the Scotland's People website.  You have to register to search them, but you only have to pay to obtain a scan of an original record.  To find the ones for Bowmore, select Argyll County the parish Killarow and Kilmeny.  You can search by surname (not forgetting variations in spelling) or by place, but place is a bit tricky because it includes the property type before the town name, so I don't think you can just group everything for Bowmore together, as place would include House Bowmore, House and Garden Bowmore, House and Croft Bowmore etc.  The records start in 1855 and are then given every ten years, so you may have most success looking at 1885.

John



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Re: Valuation Rolls

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks again John. I did try Scotlands People and nothing came up at all. I will certainly try again.
Glynn




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Date: 2021-01-11 09:02 (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [Islay] Valuation Rolls

Glynn

There ARE Valuation Rolls for Islay for the period you are looking for.  You will find them on the Scotland's People website.  You have to register to search them, but you only have to pay to obtain a scan of an original record.  To find the ones for Bowmore, select Argyll County the parish Killarow and Kilmeny.  You can search by surname (not forgetting variations in spelling) or by place, but place is a bit tricky because it includes the property type before the town name, so I don't think you can just group everything for Bowmore together, as place would include House Bowmore, House and Garden Bowmore, House and Croft Bowmore etc.  The records start in 1855 and are then given every ten years, so you may have most success looking at 1885.

John


On 11/01/2021 11:07, Glynn Currie wrote:
Thanks John,
While not answering my question quite the way I would have liked, you have certainly provided some excellent information. I truly appreciate that.
Glynn



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From: "John Kemplen via groups.io" <john.kemplen@...>
Date: 2021-01-11 02:15 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Islay] Valuation Rolls

Hi Glynn

I can't answer your question about valuation rolls.  All I can say is that I haven't come across anything like them for the towns and villages, though there are lists that hint at some sort of valuation for farm tenancies.  There is a book of tenancies that includes the towns and villages as well as the farms for 1828 called the Black Book of Islay which you can find with a simple web search, but that is very vague on locations, certainly not giving street numbers.

Even today, street numbering on Islay can be very haphazard, with evidence of two or even three attempts at numbering systems overlaid on each other.  The earliest system was based on feu numbers.  I think that is feu as in feudal, though I have seen one suggestion that feu is related to fee.  You could try this reference, but it left me more confused than enlightened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feu_(land_tenure)

Feu numbers are still very much in evidence in street numbering in Port Charlotte, and I suspect that may also be the case in Port Ellen and Bowmore.  The system usually involved numbers going up one side of a street then back down the other side, then going round the corner into another street, up one side of it and back down the other side, then turning the corner of the first street and carrying on until the next street and so on.  This is particularly evident in Port Charlotte and to some extent in Port Ellen where numbers on Frederick Crescent dive off up Lennox Street then back down the other side before continuing along the next stretch of Frederick Crescent.

I suspect, though I don't know for sure, that the same thing may have happened in Bowmore, with feu numbers starting in the Square, then going out and back on Shore Street, then up one block on the east side of Main Street, then out and back on Jamieson Street, then up the next block of Main Street to the top, then back along the west side to Flora Street, out and back along that street then possibly carrying on along the west side of Main Street.  I am deducing that from very fragmentary indications, and I suspect that when a stretch of numbers fell out of use and a number was required for another property, a number may have been brought into use based on other numbers nearby with no regard for any specific logical numbering scheme.

Even today, street numbers on Shore Street are erratic and fragmentary.  In the Royal Mail online postcode finder, only six numbers are given for properties on Shore Sreet (10, 17, 20, 23, 24 and 26), and all other properties are referenced by name.  A few more appear on the most detailed map I can find (attached), (12, 18 and 25A), and in some cases it is possible to fill in the blanks, but some look pretty random, like 23 being opposite 24, 25A and 26.

I have it in mind to try to piece the feu numbering system together from documents in the Islay Estate Papers in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, but that is not going to happen until I have completed other projects.

Good luck!

John



On 11/01/2021 03:51, Glynn Currie wrote:
There don't seem to be any Valuation Rolls published for Islay. Is this correct?
My grandmother, Flora McDiarmid, was born on Shore Street in Bowmore, Islay, Argyle, in 1883. Of course there are no house numbers given for that time period.
Her father, Archibald McDiarmid, is listed as living on Shore Street, Bowmore, in the period census. It seems likely this would refer to the same house.
I would like to identify the building if I can. That way I could use Google Earth to get a look at it. I wonder if anyone can suggest an approach to identifying this building.
Thanks,
Glynn



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Re: Valuation Rolls

John Kemplen
 

PS There is an Archibald McDermid living in a house in the right parish, but the place just says "House", not Bowmore or Shore Street.  You would probably have to buy some credits to see if the original record gave more clues.

On 11/01/2021 17:01, John Kemplen wrote:

Glynn

There ARE Valuation Rolls for Islay for the period you are looking for.  You will find them on the Scotland's People website.  You have to register to search them, but you only have to pay to obtain a scan of an original record.  To find the ones for Bowmore, select Argyll County the parish Killarow and Kilmeny.  You can search by surname (not forgetting variations in spelling) or by place, but place is a bit tricky because it includes the property type before the town name, so I don't think you can just group everything for Bowmore together, as place would include House Bowmore, House and Garden Bowmore, House and Croft Bowmore etc.  The records start in 1855 and are then given every ten years, so you may have most success looking at 1885.

John



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Re: Valuation Rolls

John Kemplen
 

Glynn

There ARE Valuation Rolls for Islay for the period you are looking for.  You will find them on the Scotland's People website.  You have to register to search them, but you only have to pay to obtain a scan of an original record.  To find the ones for Bowmore, select Argyll County the parish Killarow and Kilmeny.  You can search by surname (not forgetting variations in spelling) or by place, but place is a bit tricky because it includes the property type before the town name, so I don't think you can just group everything for Bowmore together, as place would include House Bowmore, House and Garden Bowmore, House and Croft Bowmore etc.  The records start in 1855 and are then given every ten years, so you may have most success looking at 1885.

John


On 11/01/2021 11:07, Glynn Currie wrote:
Thanks John,
While not answering my question quite the way I would have liked, you have certainly provided some excellent information. I truly appreciate that.
Glynn



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-------- Original message --------
From: "John Kemplen via groups.io" <john.kemplen@...>
Date: 2021-01-11 02:15 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Islay] Valuation Rolls

Hi Glynn

I can't answer your question about valuation rolls.  All I can say is that I haven't come across anything like them for the towns and villages, though there are lists that hint at some sort of valuation for farm tenancies.  There is a book of tenancies that includes the towns and villages as well as the farms for 1828 called the Black Book of Islay which you can find with a simple web search, but that is very vague on locations, certainly not giving street numbers.

Even today, street numbering on Islay can be very haphazard, with evidence of two or even three attempts at numbering systems overlaid on each other.  The earliest system was based on feu numbers.  I think that is feu as in feudal, though I have seen one suggestion that feu is related to fee.  You could try this reference, but it left me more confused than enlightened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feu_(land_tenure)

Feu numbers are still very much in evidence in street numbering in Port Charlotte, and I suspect that may also be the case in Port Ellen and Bowmore.  The system usually involved numbers going up one side of a street then back down the other side, then going round the corner into another street, up one side of it and back down the other side, then turning the corner of the first street and carrying on until the next street and so on.  This is particularly evident in Port Charlotte and to some extent in Port Ellen where numbers on Frederick Crescent dive off up Lennox Street then back down the other side before continuing along the next stretch of Frederick Crescent.

I suspect, though I don't know for sure, that the same thing may have happened in Bowmore, with feu numbers starting in the Square, then going out and back on Shore Street, then up one block on the east side of Main Street, then out and back on Jamieson Street, then up the next block of Main Street to the top, then back along the west side to Flora Street, out and back along that street then possibly carrying on along the west side of Main Street.  I am deducing that from very fragmentary indications, and I suspect that when a stretch of numbers fell out of use and a number was required for another property, a number may have been brought into use based on other numbers nearby with no regard for any specific logical numbering scheme.

Even today, street numbers on Shore Street are erratic and fragmentary.  In the Royal Mail online postcode finder, only six numbers are given for properties on Shore Sreet (10, 17, 20, 23, 24 and 26), and all other properties are referenced by name.  A few more appear on the most detailed map I can find (attached), (12, 18 and 25A), and in some cases it is possible to fill in the blanks, but some look pretty random, like 23 being opposite 24, 25A and 26.

I have it in mind to try to piece the feu numbering system together from documents in the Islay Estate Papers in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, but that is not going to happen until I have completed other projects.

Good luck!

John



On 11/01/2021 03:51, Glynn Currie wrote:
There don't seem to be any Valuation Rolls published for Islay. Is this correct?
My grandmother, Flora McDiarmid, was born on Shore Street in Bowmore, Islay, Argyle, in 1883. Of course there are no house numbers given for that time period.
Her father, Archibald McDiarmid, is listed as living on Shore Street, Bowmore, in the period census. It seems likely this would refer to the same house.
I would like to identify the building if I can. That way I could use Google Earth to get a look at it. I wonder if anyone can suggest an approach to identifying this building.
Thanks,
Glynn



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Re: Valuation Rolls

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks John,
While not answering my question quite the way I would have liked, you have certainly provided some excellent information. I truly appreciate that.
Glynn



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-------- Original message --------
From: "John Kemplen via groups.io" <john.kemplen@...>
Date: 2021-01-11 02:15 (GMT-08:00)
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Valuation Rolls

Hi Glynn

I can't answer your question about valuation rolls.  All I can say is that I haven't come across anything like them for the towns and villages, though there are lists that hint at some sort of valuation for farm tenancies.  There is a book of tenancies that includes the towns and villages as well as the farms for 1828 called the Black Book of Islay which you can find with a simple web search, but that is very vague on locations, certainly not giving street numbers.

Even today, street numbering on Islay can be very haphazard, with evidence of two or even three attempts at numbering systems overlaid on each other.  The earliest system was based on feu numbers.  I think that is feu as in feudal, though I have seen one suggestion that feu is related to fee.  You could try this reference, but it left me more confused than enlightened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feu_(land_tenure)

Feu numbers are still very much in evidence in street numbering in Port Charlotte, and I suspect that may also be the case in Port Ellen and Bowmore.  The system usually involved numbers going up one side of a street then back down the other side, then going round the corner into another street, up one side of it and back down the other side, then turning the corner of the first street and carrying on until the next street and so on.  This is particularly evident in Port Charlotte and to some extent in Port Ellen where numbers on Frederick Crescent dive off up Lennox Street then back down the other side before continuing along the next stretch of Frederick Crescent.

I suspect, though I don't know for sure, that the same thing may have happened in Bowmore, with feu numbers starting in the Square, then going out and back on Shore Street, then up one block on the east side of Main Street, then out and back on Jamieson Street, then up the next block of Main Street to the top, then back along the west side to Flora Street, out and back along that street then possibly carrying on along the west side of Main Street.  I am deducing that from very fragmentary indications, and I suspect that when a stretch of numbers fell out of use and a number was required for another property, a number may have been brought into use based on other numbers nearby with no regard for any specific logical numbering scheme.

Even today, street numbers on Shore Street are erratic and fragmentary.  In the Royal Mail online postcode finder, only six numbers are given for properties on Shore Sreet (10, 17, 20, 23, 24 and 26), and all other properties are referenced by name.  A few more appear on the most detailed map I can find (attached), (12, 18 and 25A), and in some cases it is possible to fill in the blanks, but some look pretty random, like 23 being opposite 24, 25A and 26.

I have it in mind to try to piece the feu numbering system together from documents in the Islay Estate Papers in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, but that is not going to happen until I have completed other projects.

Good luck!

John



On 11/01/2021 03:51, Glynn Currie wrote:
There don't seem to be any Valuation Rolls published for Islay. Is this correct?
My grandmother, Flora McDiarmid, was born on Shore Street in Bowmore, Islay, Argyle, in 1883. Of course there are no house numbers given for that time period.
Her father, Archibald McDiarmid, is listed as living on Shore Street, Bowmore, in the period census. It seems likely this would refer to the same house.
I would like to identify the building if I can. That way I could use Google Earth to get a look at it. I wonder if anyone can suggest an approach to identifying this building.
Thanks,
Glynn


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Re: Valuation Rolls

John Kemplen
 

Hi Glynn

I can't answer your question about valuation rolls.  All I can say is that I haven't come across anything like them for the towns and villages, though there are lists that hint at some sort of valuation for farm tenancies.  There is a book of tenancies that includes the towns and villages as well as the farms for 1828 called the Black Book of Islay which you can find with a simple web search, but that is very vague on locations, certainly not giving street numbers.

Even today, street numbering on Islay can be very haphazard, with evidence of two or even three attempts at numbering systems overlaid on each other.  The earliest system was based on feu numbers.  I think that is feu as in feudal, though I have seen one suggestion that feu is related to fee.  You could try this reference, but it left me more confused than enlightened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feu_(land_tenure)

Feu numbers are still very much in evidence in street numbering in Port Charlotte, and I suspect that may also be the case in Port Ellen and Bowmore.  The system usually involved numbers going up one side of a street then back down the other side, then going round the corner into another street, up one side of it and back down the other side, then turning the corner of the first street and carrying on until the next street and so on.  This is particularly evident in Port Charlotte and to some extent in Port Ellen where numbers on Frederick Crescent dive off up Lennox Street then back down the other side before continuing along the next stretch of Frederick Crescent.

I suspect, though I don't know for sure, that the same thing may have happened in Bowmore, with feu numbers starting in the Square, then going out and back on Shore Street, then up one block on the east side of Main Street, then out and back on Jamieson Street, then up the next block of Main Street to the top, then back along the west side to Flora Street, out and back along that street then possibly carrying on along the west side of Main Street.  I am deducing that from very fragmentary indications, and I suspect that when a stretch of numbers fell out of use and a number was required for another property, a number may have been brought into use based on other numbers nearby with no regard for any specific logical numbering scheme.

Even today, street numbers on Shore Street are erratic and fragmentary.  In the Royal Mail online postcode finder, only six numbers are given for properties on Shore Sreet (10, 17, 20, 23, 24 and 26), and all other properties are referenced by name.  A few more appear on the most detailed map I can find (attached), (12, 18 and 25A), and in some cases it is possible to fill in the blanks, but some look pretty random, like 23 being opposite 24, 25A and 26.

I have it in mind to try to piece the feu numbering system together from documents in the Islay Estate Papers in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, but that is not going to happen until I have completed other projects.

Good luck!

John



On 11/01/2021 03:51, Glynn Currie wrote:
There don't seem to be any Valuation Rolls published for Islay. Is this correct?
My grandmother, Flora McDiarmid, was born on Shore Street in Bowmore, Islay, Argyle, in 1883. Of course there are no house numbers given for that time period.
Her father, Archibald McDiarmid, is listed as living on Shore Street, Bowmore, in the period census. It seems likely this would refer to the same house.
I would like to identify the building if I can. That way I could use Google Earth to get a look at it. I wonder if anyone can suggest an approach to identifying this building.
Thanks,
Glynn


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Valuation Rolls

Glynn Currie
 

There don't seem to be any Valuation Rolls published for Islay. Is this correct?
My grandmother, Flora McDiarmid, was born on Shore Street in Bowmore, Islay, Argyle, in 1883. Of course there are no house numbers given for that time period.
Her father, Archibald McDiarmid, is listed as living on Shore Street, Bowmore, in the period census. It seems likely this would refer to the same house.
I would like to identify the building if I can. That way I could use Google Earth to get a look at it. I wonder if anyone can suggest an approach to identifying this building.
Thanks,
Glynn


McInnes and McCaffer

Betty Macey
 

There has been so much traffic recently I thought I’d have another attempt at seeking more information on my forbears.

My Great Great Great-Grandfather Hector McInnes married Marion McCaffer at Kilchoman on 17 December 1822.  In the 1851 census Hector says he was born in Rothesay, Buteshire, but Marion’s records consistently put her birth at Killarrow or Kilchoman.

I know quite a lot about what happened to the family after they left Islay in the early 1850s. They went to Port Glasgow, then Greenock, then Glasgow. My own Grandfather used to say there were so many of us in Greenock there was a close nicknamed McInnes Close. Do any of these names have any resonance with others on this forum?

Hector’s mother is named as Mary Johnson on his death certificate, but his father’s forename is not given. Beyond that, I know nothing about them. I’m not even sure that I have all their children, as it’s quite possible that there were some born that had left home by the time of the 1841 census. My own line stems from Neil McInnes b Kilchoman c 1833.




Re: Sinclair/McDougall

Chris MacDougall
 

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has been sharing this McDougall and Sinclair information for Islay. I seem to share many of these same connections, though I have never really explored them in detail. I have DNA matches that list Peter "Angus" McDougall and Mary McDougall married to Malcolm Currie. 

One of my matches also lists a Margaret McDougall (from Islay) married to a Duncan Sinclair (from Inveraray and moved to Islay). They had three children: Margaret, Duncan and Catherine.

My connection to the area is through my fourth great grandfather, Malcolm McDougall, who first lived on Jura, but eventually moved to Islay. My third great grandfather, Angus McDougall, was born on Jura in 1814 and was listed as a blacksmith in the 1841 census records for Islay, before he moved his family to the Nottawasaga area in Ontario. 

It has previously been assumed that my Malcolm, born in 1786, was the son of Angus McDougall and Mary McFadyen, but the only real link was that Malcolm was from Keils, Jura (though it might have been Keills, Islay) and that Angus and Mary had another child named Flora (born 1787) and married to Duncan Keith.

The consideration, and thanks to Chas Houston for this, was that Angus McDougall was born in 1753 at Bowmore. 

I have been working to establish some patterns based off of the DNA matches that I share with others for the links that I believe to be McDougall in nature, but it is still a work in progress.

I am always happy to discuss this topic further. :-)

All the best,

Chris MacDougall

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 11:47 AM Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...> wrote:

Malcolm,

Congratulations on your breakthrough!

I just want to check a few things with you.

 

Catherine: I show her married 1808 in Kildalton to John Smith.  Can you verify?

 

John: in 2006 you wrote that “I have a John McDOUGALL b. 1771 Islay at Grastle, the Oa, Islay. They immigrated to Ontario, settling in Thorah Twp., Beaverton, ON circa 1832.   His wife was Christina McDOUGALL (nee), b. 1794, also Grastle.  They brought 8 children born over 18 years, none named John.”  This latest info shows him to be 12 years younger than you thought earlier.  Have I understood this correctly?

 

Peter: have you any details about the other names for him (Angus & King of Egypt)?  I show him married to Margaret McCuaig, from Kintra, Islay – can you verify?

 

Allan: new to me.  Do you have any more details?

 

Mary: she is new to me.  I have John’s children as Christina 1812, Margaret 1818, Flora 1820, Catherine 1823, Elizabeth 1826, Marion (Minnie) 1829 & Alexander (no date).  Where does Mary fit?

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Malcolm Campbell
Sent: January 5, 2021 8:35 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Sinclair/McDougall

 

For Alexander McDOUGALL and Christina Sinclair, I have these children

 

Catherine McDOUGALL

 

John McDOUGALL 1783, Grastle, (Grastill) the Oa, Islay. D. Jul 1871, Thorah Twp., Beaverton, ON I have him married to  a Christina McDougall. Tombstones in the Old Stone Church in Thorah. Stopped there on the way home from our Islay Gathering. Time well spent.

 

Peter "Angus" (King of Egypt) McDOUGALL, Sep 1780, Grastle, Islay Argylshire, Scotland, D. 01 Jan 1869, Old Stone Church, Thorah; Cemetery transcript for Old Stone Church Cemetary says "Jan 2, 1869 aged 88 yrs. Native of Islay; 'Jesus has called our father home, His flesh lies mouldering in this tomb. God grant his offspring may be blessed and then meet him in eternal rest.'

 

Allan McDOUGALL, 1781, Grastle,

 

This John 1783 is my ggg, my gg Mary McDOUGALL’s father. She married Malcolm CURRIE. His first wife had died in Childbirth on the 5 acre lots in Duntroon. He went back to Thorah and told them there about her death. This young Mary said she would raise his child. They could not live together so they had to marry.

 


Re: Sinclair/McDougall

Ken Harrison
 

Malcolm,

Congratulations on your breakthrough!

I just want to check a few things with you.

 

Catherine: I show her married 1808 in Kildalton to John Smith.  Can you verify?

 

John: in 2006 you wrote that “I have a John McDOUGALL b. 1771 Islay at Grastle, the Oa, Islay. They immigrated to Ontario, settling in Thorah Twp., Beaverton, ON circa 1832.   His wife was Christina McDOUGALL (nee), b. 1794, also Grastle.  They brought 8 children born over 18 years, none named John.”  This latest info shows him to be 12 years younger than you thought earlier.  Have I understood this correctly?

 

Peter: have you any details about the other names for him (Angus & King of Egypt)?  I show him married to Margaret McCuaig, from Kintra, Islay – can you verify?

 

Allan: new to me.  Do you have any more details?

 

Mary: she is new to me.  I have John’s children as Christina 1812, Margaret 1818, Flora 1820, Catherine 1823, Elizabeth 1826, Marion (Minnie) 1829 & Alexander (no date).  Where does Mary fit?

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Malcolm Campbell
Sent: January 5, 2021 8:35 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Sinclair/McDougall

 

For Alexander McDOUGALL and Christina Sinclair, I have these children

 

Catherine McDOUGALL

 

John McDOUGALL 1783, Grastle, (Grastill) the Oa, Islay. D. Jul 1871, Thorah Twp., Beaverton, ON I have him married to  a Christina McDougall. Tombstones in the Old Stone Church in Thorah. Stopped there on the way home from our Islay Gathering. Time well spent.

 

Peter "Angus" (King of Egypt) McDOUGALL, Sep 1780, Grastle, Islay Argylshire, Scotland, D. 01 Jan 1869, Old Stone Church, Thorah; Cemetery transcript for Old Stone Church Cemetary says "Jan 2, 1869 aged 88 yrs. Native of Islay; 'Jesus has called our father home, His flesh lies mouldering in this tomb. God grant his offspring may be blessed and then meet him in eternal rest.'

 

Allan McDOUGALL, 1781, Grastle,

 

This John 1783 is my ggg, my gg Mary McDOUGALL’s father. She married Malcolm CURRIE. His first wife had died in Childbirth on the 5 acre lots in Duntroon. He went back to Thorah and told them there about her death. This young Mary said she would raise his child. They could not live together so they had to marry.

 


Re: Sinclair/McDougall

Malcolm Campbell
 

Hi Toni
 
Good to reconnect for the Islay List’s resurrection.
 
Still searching our various Islay ancestors.
 
Just broke a Brick Wall from there.
 
Found the birth of my Islay GG Dugald CAMPBELL, who was actually born on Kilmodan, on the mainland. His mother, Catherine McNAIR was an Islay lass. He married an Islay girl, Anne KEITH, Found his line on the LDS Family Search site.
 
Dhttps://www.google.ca/maps/place/Dunoon,+UK/@55.9411941,-4.9289335,13.54z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x488998b62b5ee209:0x69c032c9b7b031dd!8m2!3d55.950973!4d-4.926214
 
For Alexander McDOUGALL and Christina Sinclair, I have these children
 
Catherine McDOUGALL
 
John McDOUGALL 1783, Grastle, (Grastill) the Oa, Islay. D. Jul 1871, Thorah Twp., Beaverton, ON I have him married to  a Christina McDougall. Tombstones in the Old Stone Church in Thorah. Stopped there on the way home from our Islay Gathering. Time well spent.
 
Peter "Angus" (King of Egypt) McDOUGALL, Sep 1780, Grastle, Islay Argylshire, Scotland, D. 01 Jan 1869, Old Stone Church, Thorah; Cemetery transcript for Old Stone Church Cemetary says "Jan 2, 1869 aged 88 yrs. Native of Islay; 'Jesus has called our father home, His flesh lies mouldering in this tomb. God grant his offspring may be blessed and then meet him in eternal rest.'
 
Allan McDOUGALL, 1781, Grastle,
 
This John 1783 is my ggg, my gg Mary McDOUGALL’s father. She married Malcolm CURRIE. His first wife had died in Childbirth on the 5 acre lots in Duntroon. He went back to Thorah and told them there about her death. This young Mary said she would raise his child. They could not live together so they had to marry.
 
Still considering the OGS conference in Ottawa next June. If I get the SHOT??
 
Do you plan to be there?
 
My best,
 
Malcolm

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2021 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Sinclair/McDougall
 
Hi Malcolm.  Nice to hear from you again.  Thanks for the information, because I seem to have made a mistake in my records.  I agree that Christian S. married Alexander McDougall, but I had their son, John, born ca 1783, who married a Christina McDougall.  I'll make that correction right away.  I also had a note that John and Christina immigrated to Thora township in Ontario.  Is that correct?
Toni


Re: email address

Helen Campbell Blair <helencblair@...>
 

Hi Steve,

Status quo  -  please..

I still, as I think you know,  refer to your site from time to time and I have occasionally directed others to it as well.

Please keep safe and well.

Helen



On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:11 PM Steve G <steve99166@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

 

Let’s see if I can answer the various queries below…………

 

The original Islay/Rootsweb list was started in conjunction with the Islay branch of my genealogy.  Admittedly the list and the website together produced some big steps towards overall genealogical research about Islay.  When I took my leave in 2003, and left the list to others, the website became static, and the list suffered and faded.   Most of you know the story.

 

Facebook has been a good place to shift to, everyone can share stories, and pictures – plus it has gone far beyond what the initial intention of my website was – it’s become a forum for lots of other Islay memories that don’t really apply to digging for our ancestors roots, it’s been very enjoyable to sit back and watch.

 

Now, Sue asked about asking me to delete the list – my reservation would be that there is a good deal of data contained in the archival messages for the list.  I don’t know if deleting the list would also delete that – that would be unacceptable to me – but otherwise the existing list serves very little purpose.  Plus I’m not certain that I could delete it, the control of the list has changed hands……..

 

And yes, Iain, my website is still there, the URL has not changed:

 

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm

 

A few of the external links from my website, do not work, but all the original content is still there.

 

Hazel, you may find some information here:

 

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/surnames.htm

 

Some of the email addys may be outdated though.

 

I’ve found that most people don’t seem to be aware of all the info that is available on my website.  I’m not one to be much of a self-promoter, but everyone should feel free to share links to my website, and even to specific pages that people may appreciate.  Again, my time is not centered on genealogy, and I don’t follow the Old Islay FB page very diligently either, but do stop by from time to time.

 

Hope everyone is well and coping with all the challenges the covid pandemic has brought to the world.

Cheers,

Steve G

Seattle

 

 

-------------------------------------------

This list is so much outdated, it might be a better idea to ask Steve to

delete it entirely.  At a quick glance, I see 2 who are deceased (Robert

Keith, Ted Larson) and 4 whose email addresses are changed (Helen Blair,

Dixie Cutler, Jean Hutchinson, and Toni Sinclair) and that's probably just

the tip of the iceberg.

 

The view from here,

Sue Visser

 

--------------------------------------------

 

The original researchers list was compiled by Johan and myself a good few

years ago.  It was passed to Steve Gilchrist who added it to his  Islay Data

site, now on Rootsweb.  I don't know if this site can still be accessed,

amended or deleted.  Steve Gilchrist, can you advise?   Hazel,  I have

updated your details on  my master list and attached it the updated copy.

 

Regards

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

-----------------------------------------------------

A dcument came out recently that had all the people that were doing research

on their Islay ancestry. I noticed that the list had an old e-mail address

for me. I had sent in the up-to-date one  but it hasn't been changed. Could

anyone tell me who I should contact to get that changed. sesrching for

Calder,  Campbell, MacDougall

 

Hazel Bochinski

haz57cal@...

 

-------------------------------------------------------

 

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: email address

Steve G <steve99166@...>
 

Hi guys,

 

Let’s see if I can answer the various queries below…………

 

The original Islay/Rootsweb list was started in conjunction with the Islay branch of my genealogy.  Admittedly the list and the website together produced some big steps towards overall genealogical research about Islay.  When I took my leave in 2003, and left the list to others, the website became static, and the list suffered and faded.   Most of you know the story.

 

Facebook has been a good place to shift to, everyone can share stories, and pictures – plus it has gone far beyond what the initial intention of my website was – it’s become a forum for lots of other Islay memories that don’t really apply to digging for our ancestors roots, it’s been very enjoyable to sit back and watch.

 

Now, Sue asked about asking me to delete the list – my reservation would be that there is a good deal of data contained in the archival messages for the list.  I don’t know if deleting the list would also delete that – that would be unacceptable to me – but otherwise the existing list serves very little purpose.  Plus I’m not certain that I could delete it, the control of the list has changed hands……..

 

And yes, Iain, my website is still there, the URL has not changed:

 

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm

 

A few of the external links from my website, do not work, but all the original content is still there.

 

Hazel, you may find some information here:

 

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/surnames.htm

 

Some of the email addys may be outdated though.

 

I’ve found that most people don’t seem to be aware of all the info that is available on my website.  I’m not one to be much of a self-promoter, but everyone should feel free to share links to my website, and even to specific pages that people may appreciate.  Again, my time is not centered on genealogy, and I don’t follow the Old Islay FB page very diligently either, but do stop by from time to time.

 

Hope everyone is well and coping with all the challenges the covid pandemic has brought to the world.

Cheers,

Steve G

Seattle

 

 

-------------------------------------------

This list is so much outdated, it might be a better idea to ask Steve to

delete it entirely.  At a quick glance, I see 2 who are deceased (Robert

Keith, Ted Larson) and 4 whose email addresses are changed (Helen Blair,

Dixie Cutler, Jean Hutchinson, and Toni Sinclair) and that's probably just

the tip of the iceberg.

 

The view from here,

Sue Visser

 

--------------------------------------------

 

The original researchers list was compiled by Johan and myself a good few

years ago.  It was passed to Steve Gilchrist who added it to his  Islay Data

site, now on Rootsweb.  I don't know if this site can still be accessed,

amended or deleted.  Steve Gilchrist, can you advise?   Hazel,  I have

updated your details on  my master list and attached it the updated copy.

 

Regards

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

-----------------------------------------------------

A dcument came out recently that had all the people that were doing research

on their Islay ancestry. I noticed that the list had an old e-mail address

for me. I had sent in the up-to-date one  but it hasn't been changed. Could

anyone tell me who I should contact to get that changed. sesrching for

Calder,  Campbell, MacDougall

 

Hazel Bochinski

haz57cal@...

 

-------------------------------------------------------

 

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Sinclair/McDougall

Ken Harrison
 

HNY to both of you!

I had the same (but I think all my info came from Johan)

Ken Harrison

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of tsinclair@...
Sent: January 5, 2021 12:00 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Sinclair/McDougall

 

Hi Malcolm.  Nice to hear from you again.  Thanks for the information, because I seem to have made a mistake in my records.  I agree that Christian S. married Alexander McDougall, but I had their son, John, born ca 1783, who married a Christina McDougall.  I'll make that correction right away.  I also had a note that John and Christina immigrated to Thora township in Ontario.  Is that correct?
Toni


Re: Sinclair/McDougall

tsinclair@...
 

Hi Malcolm.  Nice to hear from you again.  Thanks for the information, because I seem to have made a mistake in my records.  I agree that Christian S. married Alexander McDougall, but I had their son, John, born ca 1783, who married a Christina McDougall.  I'll make that correction right away.  I also had a note that John and Christina immigrated to Thora township in Ontario.  Is that correct?
Toni

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