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Re: McDougall Islay Connections,-resonding to Chris MacDougall

Chris MacDougall
 

Many thanks to Marion and Charles for their responses! This will lead me further in my research, as some of the surnames listed are ones that I have identified DNA matches with, but had had difficulty in establishing their connections. With any luck, I may be able to establish those links now.

Thanks again!

Stay safe, stay well!

Chris

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 2:34 PM Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...> wrote:
Allan had a sister Janet MacDougall b 1785 d 1855 who married a Donald
Sinclair at Bowmore in 1834. He seems to have died before June 1841.
Janet had two sons after the marriage but may have had six other
children before that as Janet is living with some other older sons &
daughters on the 1841/1851 censuses. She is shown as a farmer at Island
Farm, Bowmore in 1851 and in 1841 at Mulindra she was an Agric Labourer.
Allan had 5 of his 8 children at Mulindra.

Regards

Charles Houston - not related

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30-Mar-20 9:13 PM, Marion Larmer wrote:

> My early ancestors were
> Allan McDougald born 1783 died 1847 in Ontario,
>  Son of John McDougald and Isabel Carmichael
> natives of Parish of Killarrow, Bowmore, Isle of Islay
>
> Allan married Isabella  Campell-born1793 , died 1885 in ON.,Canada.
> Both were natives of Killarrow, Islay.
>
> Allan had a brother Alexander, born 1790
> I have no further data on Alexander.
>
> The first son of Allan and Isabella was John, born 1817-my Gt  Gt.
> Grandfather
>

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Re: McDougall Islay Connections,-resonding to Chris MacDougall

Chas Houston <cmcfhouston@...>
 

Allan had a sister Janet MacDougall b 1785 d 1855 who married a Donald Sinclair at Bowmore in 1834. He seems to have died before June 1841. Janet had two sons after the marriage but may have had six other children before that as Janet is living with some other older sons & daughters on the 1841/1851 censuses. She is shown as a farmer at Island Farm, Bowmore in 1851 and in 1841 at Mulindra she was an Agric Labourer. Allan had 5 of his 8 children at Mulindra.

Regards

Charles Houston - not related

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30-Mar-20 9:13 PM, Marion Larmer wrote:

My early ancestors were
Allan McDougald born 1783 died 1847 in Ontario,
 Son of John McDougald and Isabel Carmichael
natives of Parish of Killarrow, Bowmore, Isle of Islay

Allan married Isabella  Campell-born1793 , died 1885 in ON.,Canada.
Both were natives of Killarrow, Islay.

Allan had a brother Alexander, born 1790
I have no further data on Alexander.

The first son of Allan and Isabella was John, born 1817-my Gt  Gt. Grandfather
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Re: Larachaluil

 

Hi there
Larachaluil is clearly shown on the Ordnance Survey 1878 survey (old).
I've attached the modern aerial view which appears to show the walls of the buildings but no roofs.
Here's a link The Oa - Larachaluil
regards Seymour


Re: McDougall Islay Connections,-resonding to Chris MacDougall

Marion Larmer
 

My early ancestors were
Allan McDougald born 1783 died 1847 in Ontario,
 Son of John McDougald and Isabel Carmichael
natives of Parish of Killarrow, Bowmore, Isle of Islay

Allan married Isabella  Campell-born1793 , died 1885 in  ON.,Canada.
Both were natives of Killarrow, Islay.

Allan had a brother Alexander, born 1790
I have no further data on Alexander.

The first son of Allan and Isabella was John, born 1817-my Gt  Gt. Grandfather

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Re: McDougall Islay Connections, with plenty of other links

Chris MacDougall
 

Hello everyone,

I wanted to say thank you to the people who reached out to me in regards to my first message, as it helped to virtually meet a distant cousin, and helped to solidify a lead that my fourth great grandfather's dad was Angus McDugald. Thank you!

Angus looks to have been born around 1753 in Bowmore, and he married Mary McFaidain (McFadyen I believe) in January of 1778 in Kilarrow. Looking over the parish records for that time, it looks like there were three other men with the same spelling of the last name, showing as McDugald. They are listed as Lachlan McDugald, Dun (short for Duncan?) McDugald and Jo (short for John?) McDugald. I am speculating that this group of four individuals were brothers, or at least related, as they are the only four with the last name spelled in this fashion.

Dun married a Margaret King in December of 1776, Jo married an Isabell Brown in January of 1781, and Lachlan married Sarah McDugald in July of 1773. There may have also been an Alexander McDugald, who was married to a Marion McFadian. They are listed as having a child named Christian in 1771.

Any information that someone may have in regards to these individuals is greatly appreciated.

Also, if you know of anyone who is a male MacDougall (various spellings included) whose family has maintained the name throughout their history (carried through the male line), the Clan MacDougall DNA project has begun to generate some momentum, and is offering a free general Y-DNA test to male MacDougalls who wish to take part (at least for the time being). Their website is macdougalldna.org

All the best and stay safe,

Chris

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 10:06 PM Chris MacDougall via Groups.Io <c.a.macdougall=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everybody!

My name is Chris MacDougall, and I have a wide range of Islay connections that I have been attempting to put together, with my focal point being Malcolm McDougall (my fourth great-grandfather).

I have connections in my family tree to the surnames Currie, Gillespie, Sinclair, Bell, McNeil, and more.

Malcolm McDougall was believed to have been born around 1786, which was found through the 1841 census records, which place him on Islay. I first have him on Jura, married to Janet McLeod. His first born son was Angus McDougall (1814), who went on to marry Ann (Jane) McLean. He remarried to Catharine Black and they had children on both Jura and Islay. While married to Catharine, Malcolm was listed as the father of what was at the time termed an "illegitimate" child named John. From the Islay census extract for 1841 it shows Malcolm at Ardhala (Kildalton), with Catharine, and the following children: Dougald, Donald, Alexander, Janet and Duncan.
Angus married Ann in 1831, and they are listed at Portnellan (Kilmeny) in 1841 with the following children: Alex, Ann, Flora and May. Angus was the smith during this time.

During the mid 1840s, Angus' family went to Canada, and they settled in the Nottawasaga area, specifically around Collingwood and Stayner. In the early 1900s, some of my family moved to Muskoka, in Ontario, which is where I still live.

I have done various DNA tests through Ancestry and FamilyTreeDNA, so I may have some possible matches that I do not know of. 

I am happy to help in any way that I can based on my family's history, and if anyone has McDougall information to share, I would greatly appreciate it.

All the best,
Chris


McDougall Islay Connections, with plenty of other links

Chris MacDougall
 

Hi everybody!

My name is Chris MacDougall, and I have a wide range of Islay connections that I have been attempting to put together, with my focal point being Malcolm McDougall (my fourth great-grandfather).

I have connections in my family tree to the surnames Currie, Gillespie, Sinclair, Bell, McNeil, and more.

Malcolm McDougall was believed to have been born around 1786, which was found through the 1841 census records, which place him on Islay. I first have him on Jura, married to Janet McLeod. His first born son was Angus McDougall (1814), who went on to marry Ann (Jane) McLean. He remarried to Catharine Black and they had children on both Jura and Islay. While married to Catharine, Malcolm was listed as the father of what was at the time termed an "illegitimate" child named John. From the Islay census extract for 1841 it shows Malcolm at Ardhala (Kildalton), with Catharine, and the following children: Dougald, Donald, Alexander, Janet and Duncan.
Angus married Ann in 1831, and they are listed at Portnellan (Kilmeny) in 1841 with the following children: Alex, Ann, Flora and May. Angus was the smith during this time.

During the mid 1840s, Angus' family went to Canada, and they settled in the Nottawasaga area, specifically around Collingwood and Stayner. In the early 1900s, some of my family moved to Muskoka, in Ontario, which is where I still live.

I have done various DNA tests through Ancestry and FamilyTreeDNA, so I may have some possible matches that I do not know of. 

I am happy to help in any way that I can based on my family's history, and if anyone has McDougall information to share, I would greatly appreciate it.

All the best,
Chris


Re: Angus MacAulay Chester, Pennsylvania July, 1882

mearnsmg@btinternet.com
 

Were you aware that Angus had two sisters called Mary. The first born Edinburgh 23/6/1827, the second born Glasgow 29/5/1830.



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Subject: Re: [Islay] Angus MacAulay Chester, Pennsylvania July, 1882

Angus is the son of Duncan McAulay, born c 1791, Kilchoman.


Re: Angus MacAulay Chester, Pennsylvania July, 1882

mearnsmg@btinternet.com
 

I never managed to progress to the bagpipes, but I still have my chanter.


Besides my son, I have lots of relatives in the USA/Canada and I have found the newspapers there a fruitful source of background information.




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Subject: [Islay] Angus MacAulay Chester, Pennsylvania July, 1882

My Great-Grandfather Angus:

22 July 1882


24 July 1882


25 July 1882




Re: Angus MacAulay Chester, Pennsylvania July, 1882

Paul MacAuley
 

Angus is the son of Duncan McAulay, born c 1791, Kilchoman.


Angus MacAulay Chester, Pennsylvania July, 1882

Paul MacAuley
 

My Great-Grandfather Angus:

                           22 July 1882


                          24 July 1882


                          25 July 1882




Re: McAulay

mearnsmg@btinternet.com
 

Hi Mac,


What info do you have on this Donald? My GGMother had a brother Donld, born circa 1823, based on 18 at 1841 census).


Mike




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Sent: Thursday, 20 Feb, 2020 At 15:48
Subject: [Islay] McAulay

Sorry, Mike. I have no further infomration on the McAulay family...just the soin Donald born in1823.


Re: McAulays

Allan Moore
 

Thanks Paul

Small is a start and better than none

On Feb 24, 2020, at 09:09, J LOCHRIDGE via Groups.Io <j.lochridge@...> wrote:


Very small matches only, but worth a try!
Thanks Johan

 
 


On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 00:52:49 GMT, Allan Moore <agmoore21@...> wrote:


Hi Paul

Sorry about the delay and I am not sure if I answered you, but my GED Match Reference is A136996

Thanks
Allan


On Feb 1, 2020, at 03:12, J LOCHRIDGE via Groups.Io <j.lochridge@...> wrote:


Just for fun, I checked out Gedmatch.  My number is A768704 and it shows a 4.3 match on CHR1 (5.7 million)  On checking this out on my DNA Painter info it links to my Sinclairs of Islay.  It is perhaps the Islay gene (grin)!
Cheers
Johan

 
 


On Friday, 31 January 2020, 22:47:38 GMT, Paul MacAuley <pmacauley@...> wrote:


Allan,
I set up my GEDmatch  account:  the reference numbers are  EL5733646 (Ancestry) and LN6358810 (FTDNA).

Please let me know yours.

Paul


From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Allan Moore <agmoore21@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:31 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io <Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Islay] McAulays
 
Hi Paul

Do you have a GEDMATCH reference number?

Allan

On Jan 29, 2020, at 16:42, Paul MacAuley <pmacauley@...> wrote:

My great great grandfather Duncan McAulay was born in Kilchoman, whether the parish or the town is not clear, around 1795 according to the 1851 Scottish census.  He married Rachel McLellan - this is from Scotland's people:  "Duncan McAulay, joiner, in Glasgow & Rachael McLelland, residing there, married 4th June [1824] by Mr. Kenneth McKenzie, Gaelic Minister, in Gorbals."

His son Angus, my great grandfather, was born in Edinburgh in 1825.  While researching, I found an old  message posted on a MacAulay message board that someone owned a book about the Quakers with this inscription:  "Angus MacAulay/ Plasterer/ Edinborough Scotland/ 1875" and "Duncan MacAulay/ Rachel McLearan/ Born Kilnehearn/ Island of Isla." Elsewhere is written "Angus MacAulay/ Glasgow" and "Chester" (presumably Chester, Delaware County, PA)."  My  great grandfather, Angus was a plasterer by trade and he emigrated to Chester.  I don't know if Kilnehearn is a name Rachael had before marriage or if she might have been adopted or the name of a farm.  How frustrating that I couldn't track down that book.

It seems that there are two groups of McAulays on Islay - Those from Kilchoman and those from Portnahaven, who may make their living on the water.  They're not far apart (at least as the crow flies) and I've wondered about a link between the the two groups.   

 Through DNA testing, I see that I have a great many relatives in Ireland.  I suspect that my McAulays may have come from Ireland and later emigrated to Islay.  My great grandfather Angus spoke Scots Gaelic, played the bagpipe (probably much to the chagrin of his neighbors) and was married by a Free Church minister in Glasgow.    

If anyone knows anything about Duncan and the children from is first marriage, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: McAulays

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Very small matches only, but worth a try!
Thanks Johan

 
 


On Tuesday, 18 February 2020, 00:52:49 GMT, Allan Moore <agmoore21@...> wrote:


Hi Paul

Sorry about the delay and I am not sure if I answered you, but my GED Match Reference is A136996

Thanks
Allan


On Feb 1, 2020, at 03:12, J LOCHRIDGE via Groups.Io <j.lochridge@...> wrote:


Just for fun, I checked out Gedmatch.  My number is A768704 and it shows a 4.3 match on CHR1 (5.7 million)  On checking this out on my DNA Painter info it links to my Sinclairs of Islay.  It is perhaps the Islay gene (grin)!
Cheers
Johan

 
 


On Friday, 31 January 2020, 22:47:38 GMT, Paul MacAuley <pmacauley@...> wrote:


Allan,
I set up my GEDmatch  account:  the reference numbers are  EL5733646 (Ancestry) and LN6358810 (FTDNA).

Please let me know yours.

Paul


From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Allan Moore <agmoore21@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:31 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io <Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Islay] McAulays
 
Hi Paul

Do you have a GEDMATCH reference number?

Allan

On Jan 29, 2020, at 16:42, Paul MacAuley <pmacauley@...> wrote:

My great great grandfather Duncan McAulay was born in Kilchoman, whether the parish or the town is not clear, around 1795 according to the 1851 Scottish census.  He married Rachel McLellan - this is from Scotland's people:  "Duncan McAulay, joiner, in Glasgow & Rachael McLelland, residing there, married 4th June [1824] by Mr. Kenneth McKenzie, Gaelic Minister, in Gorbals."

His son Angus, my great grandfather, was born in Edinburgh in 1825.  While researching, I found an old  message posted on a MacAulay message board that someone owned a book about the Quakers with this inscription:  "Angus MacAulay/ Plasterer/ Edinborough Scotland/ 1875" and "Duncan MacAulay/ Rachel McLearan/ Born Kilnehearn/ Island of Isla." Elsewhere is written "Angus MacAulay/ Glasgow" and "Chester" (presumably Chester, Delaware County, PA)."  My  great grandfather, Angus was a plasterer by trade and he emigrated to Chester.  I don't know if Kilnehearn is a name Rachael had before marriage or if she might have been adopted or the name of a farm.  How frustrating that I couldn't track down that book.

It seems that there are two groups of McAulays on Islay - Those from Kilchoman and those from Portnahaven, who may make their living on the water.  They're not far apart (at least as the crow flies) and I've wondered about a link between the the two groups.   

 Through DNA testing, I see that I have a great many relatives in Ireland.  I suspect that my McAulays may have come from Ireland and later emigrated to Islay.  My great grandfather Angus spoke Scots Gaelic, played the bagpipe (probably much to the chagrin of his neighbors) and was married by a Free Church minister in Glasgow.    

If anyone knows anything about Duncan and the children from is first marriage, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks,
Paul


Re: McAulays - DUNCAN MACAULAY - 1851 CENSUS - GLASGOW BARONY

Paul MacAuley
 

Hi Mike,

I sent a correction to SP.

Paul


Re: McAulay Kilchoman Later MacAulay Chester, PA

Paul MacAuley
 

Great job, Mike!  You've made quite a significant breakthrough.  Now I'll go back to all those saved SP searches and match everything.  Thanks!
Paul


Re: McAulay Kilchoman Later MacAulay Chester, PA

Paul MacAuley
 

Thanks Allan,

I had the same idea to darken the image when I found the note in the 90s - it is hard to read in its original form, but I thought people might enjoy seeing the original.

Paul


Re: McAulay Kilchoman Later MacAulay Chester, PA

mearnsmg@btinternet.com
 

Paul,


How does this grab you?


The Jean (10) living with Duncan in the 1851 Census was a neice born in Glasgow.

A Jean was born to Gilbert McAulay & Jean McDermid in Glasgow on 1/4/1840.

Gilbert (a wright) & Jean were married in Glasgow on 7/9/1832 by the Gaelic Minister of the Gorbals (suggesting, to me, that they came from the Islands).

In the 1841 Census there is a family Gilbert a 40 year old wright, Jean at 30, Elizabeth 3 & Jean 1 living in Brownfields Parish. Elizabeth was born in Glasgow on 11/5/1836. As yet, cannot find the family in the 1851 Census.

In the 1851 Census I have an Angus McAulay, with a 13 year old neice Elizabeth, born in Glasgow, living with him.

So could these two neices be the children of Gilbert & Jean, each living with one of their Father's brothers????

I have Angus being born at Laggan, Islay around 1799 (based on age at death on 2/4/1888), although he was married in Kilchoman and his children were born in both Kilchoman & Portnahaven. Angus' known children were Gilbert, John, Duncan, Donald & Alexander.

Angus' parents were John McAulay & Ann Shaw.


What do you think??


Regards

Mike





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Subject: [Islay] McAulay Kilchoman Later MacAulay Chester, PA

Some years ago, I found this note in a family Bible. It was written in pencil on a small piece of lined paper by my great-grandmother Elizabeth (Lizzie Smiley) MacAulay, wife of Angus MacAulay, I suppose, for her grandchildren. It gives the names, ages and birthdays for her children, except for Rachel her only daughter who died in her late teens:



Re: McAulay Kilchoman Later MacAulay Chester, PA

Allan Moore
 



On Feb 20, 2020, at 09:30, Paul MacAuley <pmacauley@...> wrote:

Some years ago, I found this note in a family Bible.  It was written in pencil on a small piece of lined paper by my great-grandmother Elizabeth (Lizzie Smiley) MacAulay, wife of Angus MacAulay, I suppose, for her grandchildren.  It gives the names, ages and birthdays for her children, except for Rachel her only daughter who died in her  late teens:

<Lizzie_snote.jpg>

 


McAulay Kilchoman Later MacAulay Chester, PA

Paul MacAuley
 

Some years ago, I found this note in a family Bible.  It was written in pencil on a small piece of lined paper by my great-grandmother Elizabeth (Lizzie Smiley) MacAulay, wife of Angus MacAulay, I suppose, for her grandchildren.  It gives the names, ages and birthdays for her children, except for Rachel her only daughter who died in her  late teens:


 


McAulay

Mac
 

Sorry, Mike.  I have no further infomration on the McAulay family...just the soin Donald born in1823.

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