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Re: Curries of Islay
Helen Hall
While the topic on the Curries is hot thought I would like to put in my interest in the Curries . Dugald Currie b abt 1807 , Kildalton and wife Jane Buie b abt 1811 , Jura . Daughters Flora and Isabella emigrated to New Zealand, then Dugald , Jane , Alexander and Margaret arrived New Zealand 1877. Eldest son John died Islay 1874 . Mystery is a son Donald died in Invercargill , New Zealand 22 April 1917 Notes from death certificate death certificate 1917/1733. Donald married in America at the age of 26 yrs. His wife was Christina Morrison (surname hard to read) and she was deceased at the time of his death . He had been in New Zealand 4 yrs .Said to have 6 children living in America. Informant John Fraser, Undertaker His birth date was taken from the 1860 Census listed as being 15 yrs. His age at death was given as 58 yrs making his birth date 1859. Look forward to any information. Helen Hall
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Valuation Rolls
In 1905 my great grandfather was living on Shore Street in Bowmore, Islay. On the Valuation Roll for 1905 he is listed consecutively after the Temperance Hotel.
Is it a reasonable hypothesis to suggest that he was living next door to the hotel? Would that same hypothesis apply if he were to live further from the hotel, say 8 or 10 units away? Does anyone know anything about the history of the Temperance Hotel? Thanks for any help you are able to provide. Glynn Currie, Vancouver Island, Canada
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Re: Donald Currie + Katherine Sinclair
Anne Goeden
Hello Toni and Janet: There is a possibility that my Mary Currie born 1794 ( per tombstone) could be the Mary born 1787 above. Especially since we believe her mother was a Sinclair, and I have the dna connections to Janet and her cousins. I just wish I had better proof. Anne Goeden
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 9:55 AM Janet Chubb <janetgc@...> wrote:
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Re: Donald Currie + Katherine Sinclair
Janet Chubb
Hi Toni long time since I heard from you. Yes that is right, also when my Dad visited Islay over 25 years ago, someone told him that his branch of the Curries got caught in a Church, escaped and changed their name to Currie. How much truth I do not know.
Alexander Currie and his wife Mary Buie from Jura 2 oldest children named John born about 1820 and Alexander about1823. One of them as a small child fell into the fire and passed away. The other died in a snowstorm with his cousin. Would anyone have any idea of that?
Have a great day
Janet Currie Chubb
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From: tsinclair@...
Sent: January 24, 2021 7:59 AM To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Donald Currie + Katherine Sinclair
Hello all, I hope you don't mind if I butt into this conversation. I found my record of the marriage between Donald Currie and Katherine Sinclair, Feb.1786. This is what I have for their family: 1. daughter Catherine died 15 March, 1874, age 90, poor house. If this is correct, she was probably their first-born around 1784. 2. Mary, Jan 3, 1787 at Sgarabus 3. Iver, Dec. 18, 1791. 4. Ann, Sept. 1796 at Daill; Alexander, Sept. 2,1798, Lurabus. Emigrated to Egremont twp, Grey Co.
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Re: Donald Currie + Katherine Sinclair
tsinclair@...
Hello all, I hope you don't mind if I butt into this conversation. I found my record of the marriage between Donald Currie and Katherine Sinclair, Feb.1786. This is what I have for their family: 1. daughter Catherine died 15 March, 1874, age 90, poor house. If this is correct, she was probably their first-born around 1784. 2. Mary, Jan 3, 1787 at Sgarabus 3. Iver, Dec. 18, 1791. 4. Ann, Sept. 1796 at Daill; Alexander, Sept. 2,1798, Lurabus. Emigrated to Egremont twp, Grey Co.
So, if we used the traditional naming pattern, Donald's parents names might be "Iver Curry" and "Mary". Thus, Katherine's parents might be "Alexander Sinclair" and "Katherine". I know that is just speculative, BUT, Alexander Sinclair did live at Daill farm in the late 1790s, and his wife's name was Katherine. "Iver" is a very unusual first name, certainly for Islay Sinclairs, so I suggest that the name is probably a Currie forename. (just doing a quick google of Iver Curry + Argyllshire, I see that the name might have changed to "Edward", a more anglicized version. I saw the name "Iver Curry" on the mainland of Argyllshire in a couple of places. Just thought it might help. Toni (PS - Hi Janet! I think we corresponded a few years ago. And Roger! ....many more years ago. Yikes! Anyway, it's nice to be back.)
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Roger
Hi Jane,
It took me a little while to figure out this statement, but the way I read
it is that it was Donald Currie who died on the moors in 1856 and is buried in
Kilchoman graveyard, stone not found.
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1856 Donald Currie, Agricultural Labourer, married son of Farmer, Archibald
Currie and wife (unknown to his son Archibald Currie), missing on Kinigary Moor
or Hill for 16 days was found dead on Kinigary Moor on the 24th February aged 70
years and is buried in Kilchoman churchyard as certified by his son Archibald
Currie and registered on the 28th February by John Taylor, Bowmore.
I have read all the visible monuments in Kilchoman graveyard and the only
one credited to a Duncan Currie I have attached, unfortunately the inscription
was unable to be read apart from the words Donald Currie but even this stone is
a leap of faith if it is to be the same chappie. It is the word ‘By’ that
is the key. Hmmmm the plot continues.
Regards Roger
From: Janet Chubb
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please
help Thanks Roger. I do not expect ever to find
out. A question for you. Family lore is that
my Donald Currie had a son who died in a snow storm with his cousin.
Would that be the John Currie I heard about years ago?
Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------
From: "Roger via groups.io" <rogermcwee99@...>
Date: 2021-01-22 11:22 a.m. (GMT-06:00)
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help
Hi Janet
I still havnt got a father or mother for him
Regards Roger
From: Janet Chubb
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please
help Morning all:
My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.
Have a good day,
Janet Currie Chubb
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From:
Iain MacIntosh
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain
Iain
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Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay
Verrrry interesting! Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> Date: 2021-01-22 15:15 (GMT-08:00) To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay Jan
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Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay
Janice McClelland
We could start a new thread - "ancestors born on Shore Street". :) Wayne's grandmother, Euphemia Ferguson McNeill was also born in a house on that street 3 Jan 1884.
Jan
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Anne Goeden
Re Currie: Janet Chubb does share a dna match with my first cousin and my third cousin. ( Both descended from Mary Currie 1794-1877). No birth record has been found for Mary, but she does show up on the 1841 and 1851 census before moving to Canada.) Anne Goeden
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 12:39 PM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote: Hi Candy - I have your Charlotte Murdoch & that family in my tree - a first! LOL. If what I have is correct, this Neil & Wayne's 4x ggf Donald are brothers. I will let you know if/when I discover more verification.
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Janice McClelland
Hi Candy - I have your Charlotte Murdoch & that family in my tree - a first! LOL. If what I have is correct, this Neil & Wayne's 4x ggf Donald are brothers. I will let you know if/when I discover more verification.
Jan
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Janet Chubb
Thanks Roger. I do not expect ever to find out. A question for you. Family lore is that my Donald Currie had a son who died in a snow storm with his cousin. Would that be the John Currie I heard about years ago? Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: "Roger via groups.io" <rogermcwee99@...> Date: 2021-01-22 11:22 a.m. (GMT-06:00) To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help Hi Janet
I still havnt got a father or mother for him
Regards Roger
From: Janet Chubb
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please
help Morning all:
My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.
Have a good day,
Janet Currie Chubb
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From:
Iain MacIntosh
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain
Iain
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Janice McClelland
Thanks for the clarification, Iain. I agree completely!
Jan
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Roger
Hi Janet
I still havnt got a father or mother for him
Regards Roger
From: Janet Chubb
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please
help Morning all:
My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.
Have a good day,
Janet Currie Chubb
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From:
Iain MacIntosh
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain
Iain
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Janet Chubb
Morning all:
My Donald Currie born about 1768 Bowmore married Catherine Sinclair 4 Feb 1786. Roger McWee told me years ago no one knew who his father is, and if found out I would be told. In my tree I put his father as John Currie question mark.
Have a good day,
Janet Currie Chubb
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Iain MacIntosh
Sent: January 22, 2021 4:22 AM To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain
Iain
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Iain MacIntosh
Hi Janice I was passing a general comment on the dangers of accepting data from Ancestry trees without checking back to primary sources. Not specific to the content of your earlier message. Regards Iain Iain
On 21 Jan 2021, at 21:24, Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
candy@...
Hello Jan, My Charlotte Murdoch (dau of Rev John Murdoch and Catherine Campbell) married Neil Currie in 1792 at Bowmore, they had 4 children that I know of Donald b 1793, John b 1795, Catherine Anne b 1806 and Mary b 1810. Big gap, maybe more in between, but have not found yet. Catherine and Mary both baptised in Kilmeny. My main research is of the Murdoch's. Let me know if you find a connection. Regards Candy
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Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay
Philip Hubsmith
Hi Flora,
Thank-you, did not know that Donald re-married after his first wife died - that is some info I did not know / Donald’s brother Hugh is my G Grandfather
Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland
From: Flora MacAffer
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:48 To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay
Hi Philip
Margaret Carmichael was the second wife of your Donald McFadyen, Postmaster.
Flora
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Re: Currie family
Janice McClelland
Thank you! And.... done!
Jan
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Re: Currie / McVurich - please help
Janice McClelland
Thank you, Alan, for the info & phonetic pronunciation - I must say that even though my own ancestry is well over 70% Scot/Irish Gaelic is not a language that comes readily, or at all, ha.
Alas, with all the Curries I have in the tree I don't yet have any of the ones you've mentioned. It seems so unlikely to me that there can be so many Curries that I'm still missing dozens of them, considering the size of Islay. But the proof of the pudding.... :) Jan
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Re: McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay
Flora MacAffer
Glynn
I don't think I'll be able to help with that. At that time several families would have occupied one house, and names of houses have changed over the years. I'm not sure how the numbering on Valuation Roll/Census records went.
Flora
From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Glynn Currie <glynn.currie@...>
Sent: 21 January 2021 21:40 To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay Flora,
Your message clicks with me as well. My grandmother was born on Shore Street in Bowmore as well. I see that you are a current resident of the town and so might have an answer to my query.
My grand mother was Flora McDiarmid (b. 1883 on Shore Street, Bowmore - 1960 in Saskatchewan, Canada). Her parents were Archibald McDiarmid and Agnes MacDonald. I have found the Valuation Rolls for 1885 and 1895 showing that Archibald McDiarmid
was a tenant of a building on Shore Street.
I would like to be able to identify the building in which Gramma was born. Would you be able to suggest a way to connect the Valuation Roll to a current address?
Thanks for any help you are able to provide.
Glynn Currie
Vancouver Island, Canada
Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------
From: "Philip Hubsmith via groups.io" <p.hubsmith@...>
Date: 2021-01-21 13:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] McFadyens of Bowmore, Islay
Hi Flora,
Thank-you for that, I have so much info I need to digest and collate and will check further if there is a connection – thank-you!
Hopefully a member can point me in the right direction for the database of Islay Gravestones and Photos
Philip Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland
From: Flora MacAffer
Hi Philip Hubsmith
You may already have the following information:-
Donald McFadyen married Margaret Carmichael (my great grand aunt) 20 Dec 1894 in Bowmore.
Their daughter Ann was born 16 Aug 1896 in Shore Street, Bowmore. Ann died 07 Nov 1962 in Aberdeen.
Margaret died 11 Aug 1902.
I am happy to send copies of certificates if you don’t already have them.
Flora MacAffer Bowmore, Islay
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