Date   

Craock or Craast or Cruach?

Russ McGillivray
 

Phil,

The baptismal record says Craock in the OPR transcription in Steve Gilchrist’s website.

In my database I have the ‘corrected place’ as Craast. But I don’t know where the correction came from. It could have been from the IGI index of Islay McGilvray baptisms I photocopied many years ago.

But regardless, neither place appears anywhere else in all the baptisms on Islay

Nor do they  appear in Bob McQueen’s index of Islay places.

Looking at all the other places in Kilarrow that are spelled similarly, my guess is that it should be Cruach.

Other members who might have an idea should know the baptism in question was in 1792.

 

Russ

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip Hubsmith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 5:01 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

 

Hi Russ,

Thank-you very much for that, it is great information - I looked at my family history some time ago and it is on my 'to do list' to get back into it

Where can I find information on the location of Craast, my internet search does not bring anything up?

Thank-you again!

Phil Hubsmith

On 24/01/2020 21:25, Russ McGillivray wrote:

Phil,

Years ago I put together a database of Islay McGilvrays.

I have that Ann who married Angus McFadyen (18 Jan 1831, Kilarrow) was baptized 19 Jun 1794, Kilarrow, daughter of Donald McGilvray and Florence Fletcher. When Ann was baptized her father was already deceased. He was a herdsman at Craast in 1791 when their daughter Catharine was baptized. Donald and Florence married 24 Feb 1788 at Kilarrow.

Ann’s death in 19 Mar 1874, Kilarrow, is in Ted Larsen’s database of Islay Death Registrations.

By the way, Hugh’s baptism was 1 Jun 1834 so the birthdate of 1835 is a bit late.

 

Russ McGillivray

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Philip Hubsmith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

 

Hi Diane/All,

Hello and best wishes to everyone!

My interest is with McFadyen, McGilvary, Morrison, McEwan - I believe mainly from Bowmore

My great grandparents are: -

Hugh McFadyen: B 1835 - D 1907 / Elizabeth Morrison - (photo attached): B 1841 - D 1922. Both born in Bowmore but moved to Dumbarton and then Clydebank. Hugh's brother Donald was the Post Master at 'old' Bowmore Post Office, now a private residence and to the left of The Lochside Hotel on Shore Steet - 2 x photos attached

Hugh and Elizabeth had 8 children?: John, Catherine, Euphemia, Flora (my grandmother), Elizabeth, Mary Anne, Margaret, Angus - oldest, B 1862 - D 1929

Hugh's parents were: Angus McFadyen and Anne McGilvary / Elizabeth's parents were: John Morrison: B 1791? - Dead at 1851 and Margaret (or Anne) McEwan: B 1801

Note: Many of the above dates are from 'scribbles' and need to be verified

Thank-you to everyone involved in getting this up and running - I will follow with interest

Phil Hubsmith, Erskine. Scotland

 


Surnames McGilvray, McDuffie

Russ McGillivray
 

I am descended from Donald McGilvray, son of "Donald or Peter" McGilvray and Anne McDuffie, who was born in 1833. They were of Ballachlavan, called "the worst wadset in the countrie" by the Book of Islay but which has the distinction of belonging to the churchyard of Finlaggan. Anne was the daughter of Alexander McDuffie and Marion McLellan. The McDuffie family, including Anne and her son Donald McGilvray, emigrated to Oro Township in Ontario in 1836. Anne married Alexander McLean, formerly of Esknish, about 1840 and had 7 more children. 
I have my "best guesses" as to who Donald McGilvray's parents were (Malcolm McGilvray and Anne McCoag) and grandparents (Donald McGilvray and Ann Ferguson).
I have taken the autosomal DNA test (Gedmatch kit A657192) and the Y-700 test.
My closest Y matches are three McGillivrays (yeah!) but the common ancestors lived 400 years ago or more.
It would be wonderful to have another Islay McGilvray descendant take the Y-700 test.

Russ


Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

Roger
 

Hi Russ.
Thought this might be of interest to you :
Inscription – Bowmore graveyard
In loving memory of Donald McFadyen Postmaster Bowmore who died 26th March 1899 aged 66 years his wife Euphemia Morrison who died 24th Jan. 1885 aged 55 years his father Angus McFadyen who died 8th July aged 60 years his mother Ann McGilvray who died 19th March  1874 aged 80 years his daughter Ann who died 7th Nov. 1962 aged 66 years
 
Regards Roger


Re: Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

Philip Hubsmith
 

Hi Roger,

Thank-you! some great information for my family tree - Angus and Ann are my GG Grandparents on my mothers side with Donald the Postmaster being the brother of my G Grandfather Hugh McFadyen. The new group has given me the push to get back researching!

Is there somewhere I can get more info for the graves at Bowmore (Bowmore new parish churchyard?) - grave list and location, Donald's does not seem to be listed in findagrave web site, I am contemplating a visit in spring or summer this year

I apologise if some questions are pretty 'basic', I am a bit of a novice at family research

Once again thank-you!

Phil Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland
On 25/01/2020 09:44, Roger via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Russ.
Thought this might be of interest to you :
Inscription – Bowmore graveyard
In loving memory of Donald McFadyen Postmaster Bowmore who died 26th March 1899 aged 66 years his wife Euphemia Morrison who died 24th Jan. 1885 aged 55 years his father Angus McFadyen who died 8th July aged 60 years his mother Ann McGilvray who died 19th March  1874 aged 80 years his daughter Ann who died 7th Nov. 1962 aged 66 years
 
Regards Roger


Re: Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

Roger
 

Hi Philip,
Its your luck day. My friend and I have read and recorded all Islay gravestones that are visible.  The last one we did was Bowmore which is still in use and therefore always changing
Let me know who you are looking for.  Also bear in mind I have images of all the stones too
Regards Roger


Re: Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Roger,
I wonder if you have Hugh Stevenson died October 1884 at Laggan on your list of gravestones?  When I visited Islay years ago I didn't realise that this cousin died in Islay
Any help is always appreciated
Johan

 
 


On Saturday, 25 January 2020, 13:14:26 GMT, Roger via Groups.Io <rogermcwee99@...> wrote:


Hi Philip,
Its your luck day. My friend and I have read and recorded all Islay gravestones that are visible.  The last one we did was Bowmore which is still in use and therefore always changing
Let me know who you are looking for.  Also bear in mind I have images of all the stones too
Regards Roger


Re: Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

Philip Hubsmith
 

Hi Roger,

OMG! If you dont mind and it is not too much trouble - immediate interest is the following: -

GG Grandparents:

Angus McFadyen 1834-8.7.1811? died age 60 and spouse Ann McGilvary 17.06.1794-19.03.1874 died aged 80: Married 18.01.1831

John Morrison B 1791 D 29.10.1857 aged 67 buried Kilarrow Churchyard and spouse Margaret McEwan B 1801

GGG Grandparents:

Parents of John Morrison: Hugh Morrison B 1775 and spouse Mary Morrison B 1786

Also: The previously mentioned Donald McFadyen, Postmaster and son of above Angus and Ann, B 1833 D 26.03.1899 aged 66 and buried at Bowmore graveyard

Getting into a bit of a fanckle with dates, my method of recording is not good!

Anyway, if you have any info or photos that would be great but do not spend more time on it that you can afford

Thank-you!

Phil Hubsmith, Erskine, Scotland

On 25/01/2020 13:14, Roger via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Philip,
Its your luck day. My friend and I have read and recorded all Islay gravestones that are visible.  The last one we did was Bowmore which is still in use and therefore always changing
Let me know who you are looking for.  Also bear in mind I have images of all the stones too
Regards Roger


Donald McGilvray of Ballachlavan ca 1833

Russ McGillivray
 

Roger,
Could I ask you a favour?
As I mentioned in my introductory email, in 1833 Donald is married to Ann McDuffie and has a son baptized at Kilmeny.
(I assume they were married because the child was not noted as illegitimate in the baptismal record.)
About 1836 Ann and her son leave for Canada with her parents and some siblings.
So what happened to Donald between 1833 and 1836?
He could have abandoned her, or he could have died of natural causes or in some accident.
Do you have in your records any information that might help, e.g. a newspaper clipping of a death?

Thanks,
Russ


Re: McFadyens & McNabbs

Ken Harrison
 

Does anyone have data on the birth and parents of Anne McNABB, the wife of Angus McFADYEN.  She was apparently born c1825, possibly at Bowmore, and she and her husband both died in Ontario.

 

I have 3 possible matches for her as a child in Islay, but nothing concrete to prove a connection.

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada


Re: Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

Ken Harrison
 

Russ or Roger,

Would the Euphemia below be the d/o John (James) Morrison & Christian McFadyen, born 9 May, chr. 10 Aug 1834, Kilchoman?

The date of death of Angus is missing below.  Is it missing from the MI?

 

Ken Harrison

North Vancouver, Canada


From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 1:45 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

 

Hi Russ.

Thought this might be of interest to you :

Inscription – Bowmore graveyard

In loving memory of Donald McFadyen Postmaster Bowmore who died 26th March 1899 aged 66 years his wife Euphemia Morrison who died 24th Jan. 1885 aged 55 years his father Angus McFadyen who died 8th July aged 60 years his mother Ann McGilvray who died 19th March  1874 aged 80 years his daughter Ann who died 7th Nov. 1962 aged 66 years

 

Regards Roger

_._,_._,_


Re: Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

Russ McGillivray
 

Roger,
Wow, a whole family tree that spans from 1795 to 1962!
We should all be so lucky.

Russ


Re: Roll Call

Doug Carmichael
 

Hello All, I am interested in the Carmichael  families  of Islay. I have pretty good information as far back as  Dougald Carmichael ,dob 1774 , marring  Mary McNeill dob 1778. Her parents were Lachland McNeill and Janet Wright . I do not have any information on Dougalds  parentage .Most of  information I have is from the work of A. Currie and done some years before the internet.  I have been unable to find when and why Carmichaels arrived on Islay. Family oral history has us as a Sept of the Starts of Appin.
               My branch upstakes  in the 1860' to Grey County, Ontario,joining relatives who had done so earlier. Members of the family also moved  to the Swan Valley of Manitoba about this time.

              I did find a reference to there being 3 or more Septs of Carmichael on Islay but I have been unable to "rediscover" this information. If this rings a bell with anyone please let me know. Cheers to one and all Douglas Carmichael


Islay

Cathy Lee
 

Family name McCuaig. From the Kilchoman area. Dugald Mccuaig born about 1802, married Janet Turner 1822. Looking for children...and General info about the area.


Re: Roll Call - Currie, Campbell, McIntyre - Kilarrow

Christine McPhie
 

Hi

My Islay connection is through my great-grandfather Neil Campbell Currie (1865-1935) who was born in Glasgow but his parents were Ilich.

His mother Mary Campbell (1831-1904) was born at Cruach to Peter Campbell (b & d UNK) and Elizabeth McIntyre (c1798-1867)

His father John (c1828-1883) was recorded as Campbell in the 1841 Islay census but was using the surname Currie when he married Mary in Glasgow in 1849.  His death certificate states his reputed father was Archibald Currie (no details known).  His mother Janet McIntyre (c1807-pre 1855) married Alexander Campbell (c1802-1876) in 1828.

Locations are Kilarrow – Cruach, Bowmore, Gartnatra, Avinvogie, Avinlussa, Bridgehouse (Island Farm)

I have taken an Ancestry DNA test but not moved forward yet looking into this!

Now living on Islay 😊

Thanks

Christine



On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, 06:41:26 GMT, Diane Rogers <diane_rogers@...> wrote:



Hi, everyone. 

There are now 177 of us here. Would you like to start a roll call? Just the Islay people's names and places you are interested in.

I am thinking we can also build up a database for the people we are researching.

We can post images too - however - there is an overall size limit for images on free lists here. So be cautious and resize them, please.  I would love to see photos of those we know came from Islay, if we have them.

Diane 


Re: Islay

Sue Visser
 

Hi Cathy Lee

I have no direct connection but have a little data. Roger McWee probably/possibly has more in the Islay Cultural Database.

Dugald McCuaig and Janet Turner marr 27 Apr 1822 but NOT BOTP.
Son Malcolm b 2 Feb 1826, Craigfad, Kilarrow Parish
Dau Janet b 30 Dec 1836, Port Charlotte, Kilchoman Parish.

Happy hunting!
Sue McCuaig Visser

-----Original Message-----
From: Cathy Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 2:47 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] Islay

Family name McCuaig. From the Kilchoman area. Dugald Mccuaig born about 1802, married Janet Turner 1822. Looking for children...and General info about the area.


Re: Roll Call

John McKinnon
 

Doug 
Some years ago I wrote a 60 odd page history of Kynagarry Farm. The McKinnon bias may spoil it for most but it may be of some interest to descendants of the other tenants. 
The list of tenants includes: Duncan Brown 1802-1821, Archibald Brown 1828-1859,  John Brown 1848-1859; JohnCarmichael 1779-1802,Duncan Carmichael 1779-1821, Dugald & Neil Carmichael 1828-1848;. There are also two Clark’s up to 1848, Duncan and Donald; one Jamieson 1859; Five MacFaiden/MacPhaiden between 1779-1859; a lone Robert McKenzie late comer 1859; four MacKinine/MacKinnon/McKinnon 1779-1850; two MacLugasalein/MacLugash 1779-1828; two MacNeill/MacNeil 1802-1859.
I’d be happy to share the text with anybody who is interested and make it available through an appropriate internet site if there is an unexpected demand. Nothing too fancy. A lot of quoted passages (eg W.N.Blair, 1888). Reasonably well sourced if people want to see where I found the information. 
Cheers
John



On 26/01/2020, at 7:07 AM, Doug Carmichael <dougcarmichael@...> wrote:


Hello All, I am interested in the Carmichael  families  of Islay. I have pretty good information as far back as  Dougald Carmichael ,dob 1774 , marring  Mary McNeill dob 1778. Her parents were Lachland McNeill and Janet Wright . I do not have any information on Dougalds  parentage .Most of  information I have is from the work of A. Currie and done some years before the internet.  I have been unable to find when and why Carmichaels arrived on Islay. Family oral history has us as a Sept of the Starts of Appin.
               My branch upstakes  in the 1860' to Grey County, Ontario,joining relatives who had done so earlier. Members of the family also moved  to the Swan Valley of Manitoba about this time.

              I did find a reference to there being 3 or more Septs of Carmichael on Islay but I have been unable to "rediscover" this information. If this rings a bell with anyone please let me know. Cheers to one and all Douglas Carmichael


Re: Roll Call

Lola Cook
 

Hi, I'm Lola Cook from Qualicum Beach, BC, Canada
My Islay family names are:  McEwing/McEwen/McEown; McTaggart; Stewart; McCaig/McCuaig; Wallace; Stevenson

Archibald McEwing, born btwn 1730-1740 in Kildalton and he died in Kildalton.  He married Katherine McTaggart on Dec. 21, 1759 in Kildalton.
Son John McEwing born June 1761.  He married Janet McTaggart on Feb. 7, 1790 in Kildalton.  Son John born Jan 28, 1807, died May 1869.  He married Flora Stevenson, born 1797, daughter of Neil Stevenson and Catherine McTaggart.  Flora died on Oct. 17, 1866.
Son Joseph McEwing, born July 24, 1828 in Killallan, died June 14, 1888 in Campbeltown, Argyll.  Joseph married Mary Wallace, daughter of John Wallace and Margaret Gilchrist, on Dec. 13, 1853 in Campbeltown.  Mary was born on Jan. 6, 1829 in Killean, died Nov. 7, 1895 in Campbeltown.
One of the children from this marriage was Catherine McEwing, born March 10, 1857 in Campbeltown, died May 18, 1921 in Campbeltown
Catherine married Hugh Stewart, son of John Stewart and Mary McCaig/McCuaig, on Dec. 1, 1885 in Campbeltown.  Child of the marriage was Robert McEwing Stewart, born July 25, 1886 in Campbeltown, died July 25, 1958 in Winnipeg, Man. Canada.

John Stewart, born circa 1814,Tinsmith, died btwn 1866-1869;  married Mary McCaig/McCuaig, born 1816 in Kilarrow, her parents were Donald Mcaig, Bowmore and Betsy Brown, Bowmore, married's Mar. 27, 1806.  
children of John Stewart & Mary McCaig:
Robert Stewart, born 1844 - Policeman in Glasgow - died Bowmore Poorhouse Oct. 10, 1870
Hugh Stewart, born 1846 - Easdale or Port Ellen - Masons Labourer, married Catherine McEwing, Dec. 1, 1885 in Campbeltown.  Hugh died after Dec. 1, 1885 unknown place.  He enlisted in the army, 73rd Foot, June 23, 1864, discharged Nov. 6, 1876.  Served long enough to be Chelsea Pensioner
 John Stewart, born 1848, Portree, Inverness - Policeman in Glasgow - married Margaret McCaffer, June 3, 1870, Glasgow.  John died June 1878.

I want to find out where and when Hugh Stewart died.  He was my paternal grandfather.  Any information greatly appreciated!
Lola Cook


Mary Stewart, born 1848, died 1852 of phthisis (tuberculosis).
Susan Stewart, born 1854, Bowmore, died May 5, 1893, Glasgow - married Gilbert Boyd Oct 22, 1873; later married Daniel McAleese


Re: Roll Call

Doug Carmichael
 

Hello John, Thank you indeed for the very kind offer. I would be delighted to receive a copy.
          Did any of your ancestors arrive in NZ on board the ship Hector?There is a full scale replica  of Hector at Pictou Nova Scotia. That is about a two hour drive away. They must have been a tough lot to pack it all in and head off.  Not by choice . We complain if the flight is a bit late getting off or arriving.!

Sent from Outlook                                                                                 Cheers Doug



From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of John McKinnon <john.mckinnon@...>
Sent: January 25, 2020 9:26 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io <Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call
 
Doug 
Some years ago I wrote a 60 odd page history of Kynagarry Farm. The McKinnon bias may spoil it for most but it may be of some interest to descendants of the other tenants. 
The list of tenants includes: Duncan Brown 1802-1821, Archibald Brown 1828-1859,  John Brown 1848-1859; JohnCarmichael 1779-1802,Duncan Carmichael 1779-1821, Dugald & Neil Carmichael 1828-1848;. There are also two Clark’s up to 1848, Duncan and Donald; one Jamieson 1859; Five MacFaiden/MacPhaiden between 1779-1859; a lone Robert McKenzie late comer 1859; four MacKinine/MacKinnon/McKinnon 1779-1850; two MacLugasalein/MacLugash 1779-1828; two MacNeill/MacNeil 1802-1859.
I’d be happy to share the text with anybody who is interested and make it available through an appropriate internet site if there is an unexpected demand. Nothing too fancy. A lot of quoted passages (eg W.N.Blair, 1888). Reasonably well sourced if people want to see where I found the information. 
Cheers
John



On 26/01/2020, at 7:07 AM, Doug Carmichael <dougcarmichael@...> wrote:


Hello All, I am interested in the Carmichael  families  of Islay. I have pretty good information as far back as  Dougald Carmichael ,dob 1774 , marring  Mary McNeill dob 1778. Her parents were Lachland McNeill and Janet Wright . I do not have any information on Dougalds  parentage .Most of  information I have is from the work of A. Currie and done some years before the internet.  I have been unable to find when and why Carmichaels arrived on Islay. Family oral history has us as a Sept of the Starts of Appin.
               My branch upstakes  in the 1860' to Grey County, Ontario,joining relatives who had done so earlier. Members of the family also moved  to the Swan Valley of Manitoba about this time.

              I did find a reference to there being 3 or more Septs of Carmichael on Islay but I have been unable to "rediscover" this information. If this rings a bell with anyone please let me know. Cheers to one and all Douglas Carmichael


Re: Islay

Cathy Lee
 

Thanks Sue, I’ll check into,that.

On Jan 25, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Sue Visser <genealgal2@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy Lee

I have no direct connection but have a little data. Roger McWee probably/possibly has more in the Islay Cultural Database.

Dugald McCuaig and Janet Turner marr 27 Apr 1822 but NOT BOTP.
Son Malcolm b 2 Feb 1826, Craigfad, Kilarrow Parish
Dau Janet b 30 Dec 1836, Port Charlotte, Kilchoman Parish.

Happy hunting!
Sue McCuaig Visser

-----Original Message----- From: Cathy Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 2:47 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] Islay

Family name McCuaig. From the Kilchoman area. Dugald Mccuaig born about 1802, married Janet Turner 1822. Looking for children...and General info about the area.





Re: Russ McGilvray - McFadyens

Ellen Sager
 

Hi Roger, you indicate that you have read and recorded all gravestones on Islay.  I have this obituary of William McEachern/MacEachern.  When I was visiting Islay in 1990 I looked for a stone at the Kilchoman churchyard but couldn't find one.  Perhaps you have come across it.  Do you have a list of the gravestones that one can search?
Thanks, Ellen Sager

Obituary from the Oban Times on the death of Wm MacEachern, Feb 5, 1918:
Conisby - on the 5th Ult. Mr. William MacEachern peacefully passed away to his rest.  Being the oldest son of Mr. John MacEachern, farmer, he spent the greatest part of his life in this hamlet.  The deceased had been in indifferent health for the last six months, and bore his illness with great fortitude and resignation.  He was a fine speciman of the Highlander, and of the good old stamp, of which there are few remaining.  He was a lineal descendent of the famous MacEachern smiths, sword-makers and swordsmen, the makers of the sword called ceann Ileach(clann Eachern Othisinnis).  He was an enthusiastic Highlander and was fond of sports, being an athlete of some repute.  He won third prize for putting the stone in the same competition with the world renowned athlete, Donald Dinnie.  His favourite athletes were Donald Dinnie and the famous Islay athlete, Donald Gillespie, familiarly known as "Donhnull a'Chreagain".  Deceased was highly intelligent and took a warm interest in the leading political questions of the day.  He was warmly esteemed by all who knew him, and will be greatly missed.  He was 71 years of age, and has left his wife and grown-up family of four sons and three daughters to mourn his loss. The funeral took place to the burial ground in the ancient Culdee churchyard of Kilchoman.  The funeral was largely attended - an evidence of the esteem in which the deceased was held by friends and acquaintances.  Impressive services were conducted at the house and the grave by the Rev. Messrs. Taylor, Baptist Church, Bowmore, and Boyd Parish Church Kilchoman.  Sincerest sympathy is extended to his wife and family in their bereavement.


From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> on behalf of Roger via Groups.Io <rogermcwee99@...>
Sent: January 25, 2020 6:14 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Islay] Russ McGilvray - McFadyens
 
Hi Philip,
Its your luck day. My friend and I have read and recorded all Islay gravestones that are visible.  The last one we did was Bowmore which is still in use and therefore always changing
Let me know who you are looking for.  Also bear in mind I have images of all the stones too
Regards Roger