Date   

Ballychatrigan

Lynn Seamark
 

I believe the one I have is a little earlier. I have it listed as 1836 Islay Tenants, Lynn

 

 

 

 

 

Tockmall

McArthur

Hugh

 

 

McMillan

Archibald

 

 

McMillan

Malcolm

 

 

 

 

 

Grasdale,Half of

Dallas

William

 

 

McDougall

Allan

 

 

McCuaig

Angus

 

 

McCuaig

John

 

 

McArthur

John

 

 

 

 

 

Ballychatrigan

McNab

Duncan

 

 

McNab

Andrew

 

 

McNab

John

 

 

McNab

Alexander

 

 

Gilchrist

John

 

 

McVorran

Duncan

 

 

Graham

Peter

 

 

McArthur

Hugh

 

 

Graham

Duncan Senr

 

 

Carmichael

Duncan

 

 

McNab

Andrew Junr.

 

 

Graham

Duncan Senr

 

 

McMath

Dugald

 

 

Graham

Alexander Senr.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Roll Call ?

Donald Young
 

Thank you, Sue.

This is a great piece of work. It makes me wonder if we could compile or find other records for Ballachatrigan farm in the same format for earlier years.  I am looking for 1780's - 1840.  My Cameron family group  is not listed in this chart which means that at some point before 1839, they moved.  I do know that one of them who was born at the farm was the sheriff and living in Port Ellen.

What position did the weaver have at the farm?  Did he also work the land, or earn his living by using the wool to make textiles?  Did the farm have some sheep at this point? I don't know when the clearances began on Islay. Also,  was the shoemaker an employee rather than a tenant?  What role did the 'smith' play?  I presume this is the "blacksmith."

Also, what does the term "cottar" mean?

By the way, do you have this chart in another format? I couldn't print it. I will construct an Excel document, if necessary.

Donald Young

On 2022-01-11 11:01 p.m., Sue Visser wrote:
Perhaps this might help McNabb hunters:  1839 Population of Balchatrigin (This is part of a file of Oa tenants that was sent to me a number of years ago and to my shame I did not record who gave it to me .... Roger McWee????  This looks like your quality of excellent work.)
My sincere apologies.
Sue Visser
 

ID

Farm

Tenant

Occupation

Wife

Sons

Daughter

G-son

G-Daughter

Father in Law

Mother in Law

Brother

Son in Law

Sister

Brother in Law

Niece

Cousin

Nephew

Father

Mother

Grand Mother

Servant

Aunt

Total

Information

 

1

BALCHATRIGIN

Alexander Graham

Tenant

1

-

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4

 

2

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Graham

Tenant

1

2

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

Son of the above tenant living in a separate house and possessing a share of his fathers land, all the family at home

3

BALCHATRIGIN

Angus McNab

Weaver

1

2

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6

All living at home

4

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Graham - Senior

Tenant

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

 

3

1 male servant.

5

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan McAllum

Shoemaker

1

2

5

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9

All at home.

6

BALCHATRIGIN

Donald Smith

Cottar

1

1

1

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

 

7

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan McNab

Tenant

1

6

3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

Eldest son possesses part of his land, in a separated house, the other son is a workman in Cornabus and 2 sons are in the low Country, 1 at home and the other a Cartwright & 2 at home. 3 daughters, 2 in the Low Country, 1 married and 1 at Svc, on at home.

8

BALCHATRIGIN

John McNab

Tenant

1

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

Above mentioned.

9

BALCHATRIGIN

Andrew McNab

Tenant

1

3

3 & 1 dau-in-law

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10

All at home.

10

BALCHATRIGIN

John McDougall

Weaver

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 (deaf & dumb)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

 

11

BALCHATRIGIN

Dugald Mathieson

Tenant

1

7

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 sons are married, eldest possesses part of his land at Stremnich, second is a Weaver/Cottar to his father and 3rd a Tailor, 4th & 5th Shoemakers the last at School, 2 daughters 1 at Svc in Low Country the other at home and 1 illegitimate grand daughter.

12

BALCHATRIGIN

Niel Mathieson

Weaver/Cottar

1

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

 

13

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Graham - Junior

Tenant

1

2

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

All at home.

14

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan McNab

Weaver/Cottar

1

1

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

 

15

BALCHATRIGIN

Hugh McArthur

Tenant

1

2

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

All at home.

16

BALCHATRIGIN

Alexander McCuaig

Smith

1

3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

All at home. This man is Smith to the farms around but has his Cow grass from this Tenant.

17

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Morrison's widow

Tenant

 

1

1

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4

 

18

BALCHATRIGIN

John McNab

Tenant

1

4

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

All at home.

19

BALCHATRIGIN

John Gilchrist

Tenant

1

4

6

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12

The eldest son at Svc in the Low Country and the rest at Home

20

BALCHATRIGIN

Peter Graham

Tenant

1

2

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

 

1

 

 

 

7

 

21

BALCHATRIGIN

Alexander McNab

Tenant

1

4

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

Eldest son at Svc & Eldest daughter in the Low Country.


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Re: Roll Call ?

garyturnbull@...
 

Hi Heather

I have a William Calder born 1776 Kildalton, married to Martha “Matty” Thompson born 1871 Kildalton.  Married 24 Feb 1804 Kildalton.   I know of six children.

I also have a John Calder, born 1814, Kildalton, married a Margaret McTaggart born about 1830 Kildalton.  Married 13 Dec 1847 Kildalton,  I know of 13 children.

I have a James Calder, born about 1806, Kildalton, married Flora Ann McTaggart, born about 1823, Kildalton, married 16 March 1839, Kildalton.   I believe they had nine children.

I am related through James Calder born 1776 Kildalton, married to Margaret “Peggy” Robb.   Their daughter Margaret Euphemia Calder married Archibald “Archie the Mason” McMillan and moved to Eldon Township, Victoria County, Ontario, Canada.

 

Gary

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of hgriffin@...
Sent: January 11, 2022 11:41 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

 

Hi all,

Heather Griffin here.
Places and people I'm intermittently researching
Corsapol/Carsable, Kilchoman  - Malcolm McTaggart, Gilbert McTaggart (1795-abt 1834)
Lurabus , Oa - Peter McNabb, Mary Campbell, Mary McNabb (1794-18720)
Tacarmican/Tighcarmagan, Kildalton - Thomas Calder (1727-1802) Mary Dougall
Port Ellen, Kildalton - William Calder (1776-1851) m Martha Calder (1781- ), James Calder (1806-1876) m Flora Ann McTaggart, John Calder (1814-1877) m Margaret McTaggart, Martha Calder (1856 - 1932)

NOTE:  These McTaggarts are the Kilchoman McTaggarts not the Oa McTaggarts


Re: Roll Call ?

hgriffin@...
 

My ancestor, Mary McNabb and her sister Catherine were baptised on  October 19 1792 and registered as "daughters to Peter McNabb Lyrabus".  On the same page in the Register on September 15 is "Margaret, daughter to Andrew McNabb Ballychatrigan".  Is this of any help?


Re: Roll Call ?

hgriffin@...
 

Hi all,

Heather Griffin here.
Places and people I'm intermittently researching
Corsapol/Carsable, Kilchoman  - Malcolm McTaggart, Gilbert McTaggart (1795-abt 1834)
Lurabus , Oa - Peter McNabb, Mary Campbell, Mary McNabb (1794-18720)
Tacarmican/Tighcarmagan, Kildalton - Thomas Calder (1727-1802) Mary Dougall
Port Ellen, Kildalton - William Calder (1776-1851) m Martha Calder (1781- ), James Calder (1806-1876) m Flora Ann McTaggart, John Calder (1814-1877) m Margaret McTaggart, Martha Calder (1856 - 1932)

NOTE:  These McTaggarts are the Kilchoman McTaggarts not the Oa McTaggarts


Re: Roll Call ?

Sue Visser
 

Perhaps this might help McNabb hunters:  1839 Population of Balchatrigin (This is part of a file of Oa tenants that was sent to me a number of years ago and to my shame I did not record who gave it to me .... Roger McWee????  This looks like your quality of excellent work.)
My sincere apologies.
Sue Visser
 

ID

Farm

Tenant

Occupation

Wife

Sons

Daughter

G-son

G-Daughter

Father in Law

Mother in Law

Brother

Son in Law

Sister

Brother in Law

Niece

Cousin

Nephew

Father

Mother

Grand Mother

Servant

Aunt

Total

Information

 

1

BALCHATRIGIN

Alexander Graham

Tenant

1

-

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4

 

2

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Graham

Tenant

1

2

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

Son of the above tenant living in a separate house and possessing a share of his fathers land, all the family at home

3

BALCHATRIGIN

Angus McNab

Weaver

1

2

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6

All living at home

4

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Graham - Senior

Tenant

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

 

3

1 male servant.

5

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan McAllum

Shoemaker

1

2

5

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9

All at home.

6

BALCHATRIGIN

Donald Smith

Cottar

1

1

1

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

 

7

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan McNab

Tenant

1

6

3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

Eldest son possesses part of his land, in a separated house, the other son is a workman in Cornabus and 2 sons are in the low Country, 1 at home and the other a Cartwright & 2 at home. 3 daughters, 2 in the Low Country, 1 married and 1 at Svc, on at home.

8

BALCHATRIGIN

John McNab

Tenant

1

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

Above mentioned.

9

BALCHATRIGIN

Andrew McNab

Tenant

1

3

3 & 1 dau-in-law

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10

All at home.

10

BALCHATRIGIN

John McDougall

Weaver

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 (deaf & dumb)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

 

11

BALCHATRIGIN

Dugald Mathieson

Tenant

1

7

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 sons are married, eldest possesses part of his land at Stremnich, second is a Weaver/Cottar to his father and 3rd a Tailor, 4th & 5th Shoemakers the last at School, 2 daughters 1 at Svc in Low Country the other at home and 1 illegitimate grand daughter.

12

BALCHATRIGIN

Niel Mathieson

Weaver/Cottar

1

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

 

13

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Graham - Junior

Tenant

1

2

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

All at home.

14

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan McNab

Weaver/Cottar

1

1

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

 

15

BALCHATRIGIN

Hugh McArthur

Tenant

1

2

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

All at home.

16

BALCHATRIGIN

Alexander McCuaig

Smith

1

3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5

All at home. This man is Smith to the farms around but has his Cow grass from this Tenant.

17

BALCHATRIGIN

Duncan Morrison's widow

Tenant

 

1

1

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4

 

18

BALCHATRIGIN

John McNab

Tenant

1

4

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

All at home.

19

BALCHATRIGIN

John Gilchrist

Tenant

1

4

6

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12

The eldest son at Svc in the Low Country and the rest at Home

20

BALCHATRIGIN

Peter Graham

Tenant

1

2

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

 

1

 

 

 

7

 

21

BALCHATRIGIN

Alexander McNab

Tenant

1

4

4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

Eldest son at Svc & Eldest daughter in the Low Country.


Re: Roll Call ?

Ken Harrison
 

Donald,

Likewise, I have nothing to verify the first name on my supposed tree as Donald nor, for that matter, the names of the siblings of my 3X gr-grandfather, Duncan.  The names were given, orally, in the 1950s to my grandfather, including only the sons, and I have been unable to locate a single record to support them (mainly due to the destruction of the church register).

Your Nancy McNabb makes the fourth I have seen in that time period (not counting the other Ann(e)s) and I can not find her, but she could be a sister of the boys I mentioned.  Brother Duncan had two daughters Nancy, born in the early 1820s.

Many years ago Roger McWee sent me some info on Ballychatrigin, I think it was for the 1841 census, indicating there were 12 households there, mostly named McNabb.  I have seen the farm referenced back into the 1700s, but have no details.

Perhaps someone can chip in on this …

Ken

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Young
Sent: January 11, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Hi Ken;

Thank you for your reply.  The first name of the father of Ann McNabb as Peter may be incorrect.  I don't have anything to verify it.

What is interesting is that I have a Margaret MacVorran who married a Duncan Cameron in 1809. She is the second wife for him.   Their son was Hugh Cameron who married Ann or Nancy McNabb in 1826.  Ann was born about 1794.  She might be a daughter of Donald and sister of Duncan, or a niece of Donald whose father was a Peter McNabb.  I don't know to verify any of this.

Do you know how many families lived at Ballychatrigan in the 1770's - 1830, or have any history of the farm operation?

Blessings,

Donald Young

On 2022-01-11 1:57 a.m., Ken Harrison wrote:

Donald,

I can not match any of your info directly, but I do have connections in my McNabbs in Ontario with some Youngs.

More importantly, I have a direct ancestral line to McNabbs on Ballychatrigin in the mid 1790s.  My great was Duncan McNabb, b c1795, who married Grace McVoran or Morrison in 1816.  Duncan’s father is reputed to have been Donald McNabb in Ballychatrigin. 

An old family record lists the sons of Donald as Duncan c1795, John c1797, Donald c1805 & Alexander c1805.  There is a later family writing suggesting a sister Margaret c1805.  I have not come across Ann or Peter.

There were several families of tenant farmers on Ballchatrigin at that time, mostly McNabbs and Morrisons.  They may not have been related to each other, but there is a good chance they were, and that your Ann was a sister of my group above, or at least a cousin.

Do we have enough to look into here?

Ken Harrison

Vancouver, BC

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Young
Sent: January 10, 2022 6:40 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

I have an Ann (Nancy) McNabb born about 1794, whose father was Peter? McNabb.  They were from the Ballychatrigan farm. She married Hugh Cameron from Ballychatrigan farm in 1826.  Is this of any help?  I seem to be stuck here. I can't get back any further. I am a descendant of Ann and Hugh.

Thanks

Donald Young 

On 2022-01-10 1:57 p.m., Anne Farrar wrote:

I have already posted here but on reading other posts I thought I'd be more specific.
I believe my McNabb ancestors came from Lurabus and Ballychatrigan in the Oa.
Andrew McNabb b1777 likely had the following names in his ancestry: Alexander, Duncan, Finlay Robert James and John because these names appear for males for the next 3 generations in our family. I would like to find his parents.
I have no information on his wife Catherine McMath (Mattheson) b. circa 1779 other that her birth and death dates from her gravestone in Knox Presbyterian Cemetary in Oro Medonte Township Simcoe County, Ontario. .
My brick wall is the wife of John McNabb (son of Andrew & Catherine b. circa 1816). From Mary's gravestone she was likely born circa 1824 on Islay and died in 1871 in Oro Township, Simcoe County, Ontario. I want to find her maiden name and parentage.
The OPR's for Kildalton Parish were destroyed by water and mold between about 1765 and 1790 so tracing ancestry is tough. Also for whatever reason Andrew and Catherine did not register the births of their children with the church. Only Finlay born 1813 actually lists both Andrew and his wife as parents.

Thanks, Anne (McNabb) Farrar


Re: Roll Call ?

Donald Young
 

Hi Ken;

Thank you for your reply.  The first name of the father of Ann McNabb as Peter may be incorrect.  I don't have anything to verify it.

What is interesting is that I have a Margaret MacVorran who married a Duncan Cameron in 1809. She is the second wife for him.   Their son was Hugh Cameron who married Ann or Nancy McNabb in 1826.  Ann was born about 1794.  She might be a daughter of Donald and sister of Duncan, or a niece of Donald whose father was a Peter McNabb.  I don't know to verify any of this.

Do you know how many families lived at Ballychatrigan in the 1770's - 1830, or have any history of the farm operation?

Blessings,

Donald Young

On 2022-01-11 1:57 a.m., Ken Harrison wrote:

Donald,

I can not match any of your info directly, but I do have connections in my McNabbs in Ontario with some Youngs.

More importantly, I have a direct ancestral line to McNabbs on Ballychatrigin in the mid 1790s.  My great was Duncan McNabb, b c1795, who married Grace McVoran or Morrison in 1816.  Duncan’s father is reputed to have been Donald McNabb in Ballychatrigin. 

An old family record lists the sons of Donald as Duncan c1795, John c1797, Donald c1805 & Alexander c1805.  There is a later family writing suggesting a sister Margaret c1805.  I have not come across Ann or Peter.

There were several families of tenant farmers on Ballchatrigin at that time, mostly McNabbs and Morrisons.  They may not have been related to each other, but there is a good chance they were, and that your Ann was a sister of my group above, or at least a cousin.

Do we have enough to look into here?

Ken Harrison

Vancouver, BC

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Young
Sent: January 10, 2022 6:40 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

I have an Ann (Nancy) McNabb born about 1794, whose father was Peter? McNabb.  They were from the Ballychatrigan farm. She married Hugh Cameron from Ballychatrigan farm in 1826.  Is this of any help?  I seem to be stuck here. I can't get back any further. I am a descendant of Ann and Hugh.

Thanks

Donald Young 

On 2022-01-10 1:57 p.m., Anne Farrar wrote:

I have already posted here but on reading other posts I thought I'd be more specific.
I believe my McNabb ancestors came from Lurabus and Ballychatrigan in the Oa.
Andrew McNabb b1777 likely had the following names in his ancestry: Alexander, Duncan, Finlay Robert James and John because these names appear for males for the next 3 generations in our family. I would like to find his parents.
I have no information on his wife Catherine McMath (Mattheson) b. circa 1779 other that her birth and death dates from her gravestone in Knox Presbyterian Cemetary in Oro Medonte Township Simcoe County, Ontario. .
My brick wall is the wife of John McNabb (son of Andrew & Catherine b. circa 1816). From Mary's gravestone she was likely born circa 1824 on Islay and died in 1871 in Oro Township, Simcoe County, Ontario. I want to find her maiden name and parentage.
The OPR's for Kildalton Parish were destroyed by water and mold between about 1765 and 1790 so tracing ancestry is tough. Also for whatever reason Andrew and Catherine did not register the births of their children with the church. Only Finlay born 1813 actually lists both Andrew and his wife as parents.

Thanks, Anne (McNabb) Farrar


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Re: Roll Call ?

Ken Harrison
 

Donald,

I can not match any of your info directly, but I do have connections in my McNabbs in Ontario with some Youngs.

More importantly, I have a direct ancestral line to McNabbs on Ballychatrigin in the mid 1790s.  My great was Duncan McNabb, b c1795, who married Grace McVoran or Morrison in 1816.  Duncan’s father is reputed to have been Donald McNabb in Ballychatrigin. 

An old family record lists the sons of Donald as Duncan c1795, John c1797, Donald c1805 & Alexander c1805.  There is a later family writing suggesting a sister Margaret c1805.  I have not come across Ann or Peter.

There were several families of tenant farmers on Ballchatrigin at that time, mostly McNabbs and Morrisons.  They may not have been related to each other, but there is a good chance they were, and that your Ann was a sister of my group above, or at least a cousin.

Do we have enough to look into here?

Ken Harrison

Vancouver, BC

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald Young
Sent: January 10, 2022 6:40 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

I have an Ann (Nancy) McNabb born about 1794, whose father was Peter? McNabb.  They were from the Ballychatrigan farm. She married Hugh Cameron from Ballychatrigan farm in 1826.  Is this of any help?  I seem to be stuck here. I can't get back any further. I am a descendant of Ann and Hugh.

Thanks

Donald Young 

On 2022-01-10 1:57 p.m., Anne Farrar wrote:

I have already posted here but on reading other posts I thought I'd be more specific.
I believe my McNabb ancestors came from Lurabus and Ballychatrigan in the Oa.
Andrew McNabb b1777 likely had the following names in his ancestry: Alexander, Duncan, Finlay Robert James and John because these names appear for males for the next 3 generations in our family. I would like to find his parents.
I have no information on his wife Catherine McMath (Mattheson) b. circa 1779 other that her birth and death dates from her gravestone in Knox Presbyterian Cemetary in Oro Medonte Township Simcoe County, Ontario. .
My brick wall is the wife of John McNabb (son of Andrew & Catherine b. circa 1816). From Mary's gravestone she was likely born circa 1824 on Islay and died in 1871 in Oro Township, Simcoe County, Ontario. I want to find her maiden name and parentage.
The OPR's for Kildalton Parish were destroyed by water and mold between about 1765 and 1790 so tracing ancestry is tough. Also for whatever reason Andrew and Catherine did not register the births of their children with the church. Only Finlay born 1813 actually lists both Andrew and his wife as parents.

Thanks, Anne (McNabb) Farrar


Re: Roll Call ?

Donald Young
 

I have an Ann (Nancy) McNabb born about 1794, whose father was Peter? McNabb.  They were from the Ballychatrigan farm. She married Hugh Cameron from Ballychatrigan farm in 1826.  Is this of any help?  I seem to be stuck here. I can't get back any further. I am a descendant of Ann and Hugh.

Thanks

Donald Young 

On 2022-01-10 1:57 p.m., Anne Farrar wrote:
I have already posted here but on reading other posts I thought I'd be more specific.
I believe my McNabb ancestors came from Lurabus and Ballychatrigan in the Oa.
Andrew McNabb b1777 likely had the following names in his ancestry: Alexander, Duncan, Finlay Robert James and John because these names appear for males for the next 3 generations in our family. I would like to find his parents.
I have no information on his wife Catherine McMath (Mattheson) b. circa 1779 other that her birth and death dates from her gravestone in Knox Presbyterian Cemetary in Oro Medonte Township Simcoe County, Ontario. .
My brick wall is the wife of John McNabb (son of Andrew & Catherine b. circa 1816). From Mary's gravestone she was likely born circa 1824 on Islay and died in 1871 in Oro Township, Simcoe County, Ontario. I want to find her maiden name and parentage.
The OPR's for Kildalton Parish were destroyed by water and mold between about 1765 and 1790 so tracing ancestry is tough. Also for whatever reason Andrew and Catherine did not register the births of their children with the church. Only Finlay born 1813 actually lists both Andrew and his wife as parents.

Thanks, Anne (McNabb) Farrar


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Susan Enns
 

Johan,
The children born in Scotland were Mary March 28,1844 (sorry I gave the incorrect date below), James March 6,1846 and Daniel Barnabus Aug. 31,1849. Next is Margaret 1853 and one of the three Census viewed for Margaret suggested her birth was in Scotland but I think that might be an error. The family initially settled in Ontario and during the 1880s they all moved to Winnipeg, Manitoba. The Manitoba Census entries given by family members varied with emigration dates. James consistently gave 1852 as the date of emigration which would make sense and would secure Margaret’s birth occurring in Ontario. 

I did notice in one of the children’s RC baptism records in Ontario that mother was referred to as Maria Flora O Keith. I suspect this to be an error. No other Baptismal records indicated her surname this way. 
Susan



On Jan 10, 2022, at 1:34 PM, J LOCHRIDGE via groups.io <j.lochridge@...> wrote:

Susan, You haven't said when the other children were born but it would have been quite usual to name the second son after the mother's father, so could that be Daniel? Also do you you have any idea when they sailed from Scotland? 
Johan



------ Original Message ------
From: "Susan Enns" <bellenns@...>
To: "Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io" <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 22 At 18:01
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Johan,
I wish I knew more… Flora was married to James McIlroy in Glasgow (I’m still searching for that marriage cert.) as my ggrandmother, Mary McIlroy was born in Glasgow, Mar 28,1846. She had brothers James and Daniel born in Glasgow and the other six children, Margaret, Sarah, Neil, Patrick, Catherine and Flora were all born in Ontario, Canada. Unfortunately I have not been able to find M. Flora Keith's marriage or births of children listed in Glasgow on Scotlands People.
Cheers,
Susan

On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:42 PM, J LOCHRIDGE via groups.io <j.lochridge@...> wrote:

Susan, I would be very interested to learn anything else you know about Maria Flora Keith as my history is to Keiths of Islay, but I have no recollection of coming across your Maria
Regards
Johan



------ Original Message ------
From: "Susan Enns" <bellenns@...>
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 22 At 16:44
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Might you have any information on Maria ‘Flora’ Keith, b.May 15, 1819, Islay. This is the only Islay family information I have. She married James McIlroy in Glasgow abt. 1844. So whether the Keith family remained on island or moved to Glasgow, I don’t know. 
I should add that the family was Roman Catholic.
S. Enns,
Canada







Re: Roll Call ?

Anne Farrar
 

I have already posted here but on reading other posts I thought I'd be more specific.
I believe my McNabb ancestors came from Lurabus and Ballychatrigan in the Oa.
Andrew McNabb b1777 likely had the following names in his ancestry: Alexander, Duncan, Finlay Robert James and John because these names appear for males for the next 3 generations in our family. I would like to find his parents.
I have no information on his wife Catherine McMath (Mattheson) b. circa 1779 other that her birth and death dates from her gravestone in Knox Presbyterian Cemetary in Oro Medonte Township Simcoe County, Ontario. .
My brick wall is the wife of John McNabb (son of Andrew & Catherine b. circa 1816). From Mary's gravestone she was likely born circa 1824 on Islay and died in 1871 in Oro Township, Simcoe County, Ontario. I want to find her maiden name and parentage.
The OPR's for Kildalton Parish were destroyed by water and mold between about 1765 and 1790 so tracing ancestry is tough. Also for whatever reason Andrew and Catherine did not register the births of their children with the church. Only Finlay born 1813 actually lists both Andrew and his wife as parents.

Thanks, Anne (McNabb) Farrar


Re: Roll Call ?

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Susan, You haven't said when the other children were born but it would have been quite usual to name the second son after the mother's father, so could that be Daniel? Also do you you have any idea when they sailed from Scotland?

Johan




------ Original Message ------
From: "Susan Enns" <bellenns@...>
To: "Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io" <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 22 At 18:01
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Johan,
I wish I knew more… Flora was married to James McIlroy in Glasgow (I’m still searching for that marriage cert.) as my ggrandmother, Mary McIlroy was born in Glasgow, Mar 28,1846. She had brothers James and Daniel born in Glasgow and the other six children, Margaret, Sarah, Neil, Patrick, Catherine and Flora were all born in Ontario, Canada. Unfortunately I have not been able to find M. Flora Keith's marriage or births of children listed in Glasgow on Scotlands People.
Cheers,
Susan

On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:42 PM, J LOCHRIDGE via groups.io <j.lochridge@...> wrote:

Susan, I would be very interested to learn anything else you know about Maria Flora Keith as my history is to Keiths of Islay, but I have no recollection of coming across your Maria
Regards
Johan



------ Original Message ------
From: "Susan Enns" <bellenns@...>
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 22 At 16:44
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Might you have any information on Maria ‘Flora’ Keith, b.May 15, 1819, Islay. This is the only Islay family information I have. She married James McIlroy in Glasgow abt. 1844. So whether the Keith family remained on island or moved to Glasgow, I don’t know.
I should add that the family was Roman Catholic.
S. Enns,
Canada






Re: Roll Call ?

Malcolm Campbell
 

My 2xggrandmother was Anne KEITH, b. 1805 Corary (farm), Parish of Bowmore, Kilarrow, Upper Corary

Her father was George KEITH 1778, Loggan, Bowmore, Argyll, Scotland

His father was George KEITH Abt. 1751 Bowmore, Islay, Argyll, Scotland

No Maria amongst them.

My best,

Malcolm CAMPBELL



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "J LOCHRIDGE via groups.io" <j.lochridge@...>
Date: January 10, 2022 at 12:42 PM

Susan, I would be very interested to learn anything else you know about Maria Flora Keith as my history is to Keiths of Islay, but I have no recollection of coming across your Maria

Regards

Johan




------ Original Message ------
From: "Susan Enns" <bellenns@...>
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 22 At 16:44
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Might you have any information on Maria ‘Flora’ Keith, b.May 15, 1819, Islay. This is the only Islay family information I have. She married James McIlroy in Glasgow abt. 1844. So whether the Keith family remained on island or moved to Glasgow, I don’t know.
I should add that the family was Roman Catholic.
S. Enns,
Canada


 


 


Re: Roll Call ?

Susan Enns
 

Johan,
I wish I knew more… Flora was married to James McIlroy in Glasgow (I’m still searching for that marriage cert.) as my ggrandmother, Mary McIlroy was born in Glasgow, Mar 28,1846. She had brothers James and Daniel born in Glasgow and the other six children, Margaret, Sarah, Neil, Patrick, Catherine and Flora were all born in Ontario, Canada.  Unfortunately I have not been able to find M. Flora Keith's marriage or births of children listed in Glasgow on Scotlands People.
Cheers,
Susan

On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:42 PM, J LOCHRIDGE via groups.io <j.lochridge@...> wrote:

Susan, I would be very interested to learn anything else you know about Maria Flora Keith as my history is to Keiths of Islay, but I have no recollection of coming across your Maria
Regards
Johan



------ Original Message ------
From: "Susan Enns" <bellenns@...>
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 22 At 16:44
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Might you have any information on Maria ‘Flora’ Keith, b.May 15, 1819, Islay. This is the only Islay family information I have. She married James McIlroy in Glasgow abt. 1844. So whether the Keith family remained on island or moved to Glasgow, I don’t know.
I should add that the family was Roman Catholic.
S. Enns,
Canada




Re: Roll Call ?

J LOCHRIDGE
 

Susan, I would be very interested to learn anything else you know about Maria Flora Keith as my history is to Keiths of Islay, but I have no recollection of coming across your Maria

Regards

Johan




------ Original Message ------
From: "Susan Enns" <bellenns@...>
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 22 At 16:44
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

Might you have any information on Maria ‘Flora’ Keith, b.May 15, 1819, Islay. This is the only Islay family information I have. She married James McIlroy in Glasgow abt. 1844. So whether the Keith family remained on island or moved to Glasgow, I don’t know.
I should add that the family was Roman Catholic.
S. Enns,
Canada



Re: Roll Call ?

Susan Enns
 

Might you have any information on Maria ‘Flora’ Keith, b.May 15, 1819, Islay. This is the only Islay family information I have. She married James McIlroy in Glasgow abt. 1844. So whether the Keith family remained on island or moved to Glasgow, I don’t know.
I should add that the family was Roman Catholic.
S. Enns,
Canada


Re: Roll Call ?

Steve G
 

Iain,
I believe Diane Rogers is monitoring the list currently.

And Susan, changing email addys are typically done by "subscribing" with the desired addy, and then "unsubscribing" with the old email addy.

Cheers,
Steve G
Seattle


On Jan 9, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Iain MacIntosh <iainmacintosh75@...> wrote:
Hi Susan.  I have no idea who has access to the host site.  Was it Steve Gilchrist who originally hosted it on his webpages?  I cannot recollect who took over when Steve ‘retired’ and it was moved to rootsweb, I believe.  
Does anyone know who currently has access.  All I have is the original master spreadsheet Johan& I collated.


Iain 







Iain 



On 9 Jan 2022, at 18:09, Lorne & Susan Campbell <lornesusan.campbell1@...> wrote:



Is there any way to change my email address of the researchers list from

jlorne dot campbell At symp At Ico dot Ca to LorneSusan.Campbell1@...

I am still researching the names and would love to interact with other researchers.

Note the 1 after Campbell

Much appreciated.

Lorne

jlorne dot campbell At symp At ico dot ca

 

 

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From: Iain MacIntosh
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 12:51 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

 

Try


https://web.archive.org/web/20080405035838/http:/freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tlarson/bdm/

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

 

 



 

Iain 

 

 

 

On 9 Jan 2022, at 16:43, Susan Page <spage9898@...> wrote:

Shelley and all

It is my understanding that all available Islay parish records were put on wonderful searchable spreadsheets  by someone and then kept on roots web which then went defunct. Perhaps someone kept the spreadsheets and can share. I used them about 10 years ago to do my husbands Currie/Campbell folks who came to Ontario Canada 1841. Many of the connections have now been confirmed by DNA…seeing cousins on Ancestry DNA matches and on Gedmatch.

Susan 



On Jan 9, 2022, at 11:29 AM, S K <Snjmk318@...> wrote:

 

Oh my! I’m terribly sorry for not specifying. I was referring to John Lynch. I should have been more specific - it was very late, and I was having a bit of a hard time figuring out the site - I was trying to send him a message to ensure he got this, but couldn’t figure it out. I did want the whole group to see it as well, however, as I would love to find family in Islay. I have just begun this leg of my journey - wondering if you have any suggestions. I understand there were not good parish records kept and/or some were destroyed? I’m wondering if there are local genealogists and/or historians that might know more.

 

Thanks so much for reaching out, and I apologize again.

 

Shelley 



On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:05 AM, john kennedy <john.r.kennedy@...> wrote:



Dear Shelley,

                         Being descended from illeachs there is every chance that we are connected, however from your history I can’t see a link to my known family tree. The only Neil McArthur connection is the husband of my Great Grandfather Robert Kennedy’s half sister Mary Kennedy. However this Neil McArthur was not born until 1824 in Islay. Any clues?

Yours Aye,

John.

 

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From: Snjmk318@...
Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2022 7:56 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

 

Hi John,

I believe we are connected. I have been doing similar research for the past two years and have learned much. Charles McArthur was the brother of John and Christine McArthur. Their parents were Neil McArthur and Mary Campbell, and they all came over to NY on the Argyle Patent in 1738. They settled in Claverack, NY and John and Charles fought as loyalists in the Revolutionary War. Charles is my 6th great uncle. His sister Christine McArthur, my 6th great grandmother, married a John Taylor and they had a daughter who was born in Claverack in 1745 named Mary Taylor. The Taylors and McArthurs were a wild bunch. I have quite a bit of information. Mary, my 5th great grandmother, married John MacKenzie, and this is where I hit a wall, trying to trace his line back to Scotland. When the English lost the war, the loyalists were given land in upper Ontario, Canada, and all the McArthurs, Taylors, and MacKenzies in our line migrated there. I have birth and christening records, land claims and grants, handwritten etc. I even have Charles’ military record. This is where the Quebec connection would come in for you. I will try to send you a message as well in case you don’t see this. There are several resources I can share with you. I am also just starting to try to find the origins of Mary Campbell and Neil McArthur from Islay, but old parish records were not well kept from what I understand. Hope to connect soon. Shelley

 

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Re: Roll Call ?

Anna Mclellan
 

It’s by James Hunnter who has written many good books about the Hebrides, and articles too, I remember one he wrote about a moment of conflict between the free Church and the Church of Scotland where islander were being forbidden from attending their church on land (in parishes) and they stood in the water out of solidarity to their Free Church. If I come across it I’ll send you the reference. 
“Insurrection; Scotland’s Famine Winter” Birlinn Limited, Edinburgh, 2019.

On Jan 9, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Julie Prusila <juliep@...> wrote:

What book are you referring to? I’d be interested to get a copy. 

Julie Prusila


On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Anna Mclellan via groups.io <annamclellan@...> wrote:

That’s so amazing! My brothers and I went back to Mt Forest just before Covid and met Isabella McLellan and Velma and Barry Manser, as well as Darlene McLellan who has put this great book about our family together. Even so I puzzle when, why and how they came. I am now reading James Hunter’s most recent book, Insurrection about the famine of 1046-47, the failure of the potato crop and subsequent famine all along the Western Isles, wondering about my ancestor's motivation, knowing that John Ramsay paid passage for many islanders, but the Mclellan’s are not mentioned in the book his daughter wrote about his visit to Canada.

On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:52 PM, Julie Prusila <juliep@...> wrote:

I took piano lessons about 1965 from Bertha McLellan when I lived in Mount Forest. Ancestry says she’s a second cousin 2x removed. I believe she was spinster and cared for her blind mother Janet McDermid. 

Julie 

On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:44 PM, Anna Mclellan via groups.io <annamclellan@...> wrote:

Yes, that’s my uncle. And I believe his sister Bertha McLellan was also engaged to a Lamont, broken off in part because the tragedy of Charles death followed on the untimely death of their father, leaving my grandmother bereft.

On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Julie Prusila <juliep@...> wrote:

Possibly. I have 9 Charles McLellans born in 1800s. I know Dr Charles W McLellan died suddenly in 1929 in Holstein ON. 

Julie Prusila
613-447-2377

On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:32 PM, Anna Mclellan via groups.io <annamclellan@...> wrote:

My uncle Charles McLellan was engaged to a Lamont before he died suddenly; could it be a relation?
Anna McLellan

On Jan 9, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Julie Prusila <juliep@...> wrote:

My grandmother was a Lamont in Mount Forest ON
My 3rd great grandfather Archibald Lamont McLellan 1790 Kilmartin/1870 Arthur Twp 

…………
My 3rd great grandfather Angus John Lamont 1767 Islay/1851 Mount Forest and Lucie Ogilvie

2nd great grandfather Duncan Lamont about 1798 Islay/1888 Mount Forest On and Ann McEachern 1807 Smaull Kilchoman Islay/1894 Mt Forest on

Great grandfather Duncan Edward Lamont 1848 Arthur Twp/1928 and Catharine C McLellan 1856 Arthur Two/1944 Arthur twp

Grandfather Jabez Robert Charles Barnard 1889 Middlesex twp/1964 Mt Forest and Sarah Isabella “Minnie” Lamont 1888 Mt Forest/1936 Mt Forest 


Julie Barnard Prusila 

On Jan 9, 2022, at 2:42 PM, Anne Goeden <annegoeden@...> wrote:


Hi I'm Anne and my two main lines from Islay are Lamont and Currie.

  My Lamont ancestor was Coll Lamont from Portnellan, Kilmeny.  He was a dancing master and emigrated to Canada in late 1851.  His siblings ( who remained in Islay) were Gilbert Lamont (died 1853) John Lamont ( died 1847) Godfrey Lamont ( died 1860)  Archibald ( died before 1851 his widow Margaret McPhee is living at Shenigart on 1851 census) a sister Mary ( who died sometime after 1849 and was married to Murdoch Currie of Bowmore)

Coll Lamont's wife was Mary Currie.( 1794-1877) her brother Donald Currie ( 1806-1877) Unknown parents  but the mother believed to be a Sinclair.  Donald Currie emigrated about 1830 to Chinguacousy Township, Peel County Ontario. He moved to Bruce County Ontario in 1854. 

Julie Prusila, who are your Lamonts?

Anne Goeden 

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:15 AM Julie Prusila <juliep@...> wrote:
Perhaps. McLellan, Currie, Lamont, McGillivray.

Julie








Re: Roll Call ?

Iain MacIntosh
 

Hi Susan.  I have no idea who has access to the host site.  Was it Steve Gilchrist who originally hosted it on his webpages?  I cannot recollect who took over when Steve ‘retired’ and it was moved to rootsweb, I believe.  
Does anyone know who currently has access.  All I have is the original master spreadsheet Johan& I collated.


Iain 







Iain 



On 9 Jan 2022, at 18:09, Lorne & Susan Campbell <lornesusan.campbell1@...> wrote:



Is there any way to change my email address of the researchers list from

jlorne dot campbell At symp At Ico dot Ca to LorneSusan.Campbell1@...

I am still researching the names and would love to interact with other researchers.

Note the 1 after Campbell

Much appreciated.

Lorne

jlorne dot campbell At symp At ico dot ca

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Iain MacIntosh
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 12:51 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

 

Try


https://web.archive.org/web/20080405035838/http:/freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tlarson/bdm/

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

 

 



 

Iain 

 

 

 

On 9 Jan 2022, at 16:43, Susan Page <spage9898@...> wrote:

Shelley and all

It is my understanding that all available Islay parish records were put on wonderful searchable spreadsheets  by someone and then kept on roots web which then went defunct. Perhaps someone kept the spreadsheets and can share. I used them about 10 years ago to do my husbands Currie/Campbell folks who came to Ontario Canada 1841. Many of the connections have now been confirmed by DNA…seeing cousins on Ancestry DNA matches and on Gedmatch.

Susan 



On Jan 9, 2022, at 11:29 AM, S K <Snjmk318@...> wrote:

 

Oh my! I’m terribly sorry for not specifying. I was referring to John Lynch. I should have been more specific - it was very late, and I was having a bit of a hard time figuring out the site - I was trying to send him a message to ensure he got this, but couldn’t figure it out. I did want the whole group to see it as well, however, as I would love to find family in Islay. I have just begun this leg of my journey - wondering if you have any suggestions. I understand there were not good parish records kept and/or some were destroyed? I’m wondering if there are local genealogists and/or historians that might know more.

 

Thanks so much for reaching out, and I apologize again.

 

Shelley 



On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:05 AM, john kennedy <john.r.kennedy@...> wrote:



Dear Shelley,

                         Being descended from illeachs there is every chance that we are connected, however from your history I can’t see a link to my known family tree. The only Neil McArthur connection is the husband of my Great Grandfather Robert Kennedy’s half sister Mary Kennedy. However this Neil McArthur was not born until 1824 in Islay. Any clues?

Yours Aye,

John.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Snjmk318@...
Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2022 7:56 PM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call ?

 

Hi John,

I believe we are connected. I have been doing similar research for the past two years and have learned much. Charles McArthur was the brother of John and Christine McArthur. Their parents were Neil McArthur and Mary Campbell, and they all came over to NY on the Argyle Patent in 1738. They settled in Claverack, NY and John and Charles fought as loyalists in the Revolutionary War. Charles is my 6th great uncle. His sister Christine McArthur, my 6th great grandmother, married a John Taylor and they had a daughter who was born in Claverack in 1745 named Mary Taylor. The Taylors and McArthurs were a wild bunch. I have quite a bit of information. Mary, my 5th great grandmother, married John MacKenzie, and this is where I hit a wall, trying to trace his line back to Scotland. When the English lost the war, the loyalists were given land in upper Ontario, Canada, and all the McArthurs, Taylors, and MacKenzies in our line migrated there. I have birth and christening records, land claims and grants, handwritten etc. I even have Charles’ military record. This is where the Quebec connection would come in for you. I will try to send you a message as well in case you don’t see this. There are several resources I can share with you. I am also just starting to try to find the origins of Mary Campbell and Neil McArthur from Islay, but old parish records were not well kept from what I understand. Hope to connect soon. Shelley

 

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