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Request for Assistance - Mary McArthur

Nancy Olson
 

Hello.  This is my first time requesting assistance/input from this group.  Thank you in advance.  Wondering if anybody is familiar with Mary McArthur christened in Kildalton on 10 February 1820 - parents Niel McArthur and Rose Kelly?  I have been at a brick wall researching my great grandmother for years.  All I know is that "my" Mary McArthur was born on Islay in 1820 and immigrated to Canada (most likely first to Montreal and then to Quebec City).  I'm not sure when she immigrated, but it was definitely sometime prior to 1849.  Would be very appreciative to get any information anybody might have about the Kildalton born Mary McArthur so I can rule her in or out as a possibility with my research.  

Thanks so much.

Nancy Olson 
WOlson1521@...   


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Lynn Seamark
 

MCDAUGALL

HUGH

CURRIE

EUPHEMIA

 

HUGH

 

 

 

5

May

1872

Kilmeny

 

MCDOUGALL

HUGH

CURRIE

EUPHEMIA

 

DUNCAN

 

 

 

9

Nov

1863

Kilmeny

 

 

 

Missed these before

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

McDougall

Hugh

McLean

Anne

Kilmeny

Hugh

28

Jan

1826

 

 

 

Kilmeny

 

McDougall

Neil

Gillies

Mary

Portnellan

Hugh

18

Nov

1814

 

 

 

Kilmeny

 

McDougall

 

Campbell

Catherine

Kilmeny

Hugh

12

Oct

1818

 

 

 

Kilmeny

 

 

Potential parents for Hugh


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Chris MacDougall
 

Hi Lynn,

Many thanks for this information! And thank you also to Tricia for the link to the archived web version of this information.

All the best,

Chris

On Mon., Feb. 15, 2021, 4:14 p.m. Lynn Seamark, <lmseamark@...> wrote:

Currie

John

McInnes

Catherine

Mulreesh

Effie

1

Dec

1829

 

 

 

Kilmeny

 

 

Possible candidate for Effy’s parents

 


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Lynn Seamark
 

Currie

John

McInnes

Catherine

Mulreesh

Effie

1

Dec

1829

 

 

 

Kilmeny

 

 

Possible candidate for Effy’s parents

 


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Lynn Seamark
 

MCDOUGALD

HUGH

CURRIE

EUPHEMIA

 

JOHN

 

 

 

1

Dec

1856

Kilmeny

 

MCDOUGALD

HUGH

CURRIE

EUPHEMIA

 

MARY

 

 

 

8

Feb

1859

Kilmeny

 

MCDOUGALD

HUGH

CURRIE

EUPHEMIA

 

ANNE

 

 

 

5

Dec

1860

Kilmeny

 

 

From the Islay birth spreadsheet

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Iain MacIntosh via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 4:34 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help

 

Hi Chris

Christ: I tried to get on to Ted Larson’s pages on Rootsweb, but encountered an error. 

I have attached an Excel spreadsheet of this data which  I downloaded a number of years ago from Steve’s site.

 

Regards

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: 12 February 2021 17:44
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help

 

Hello everyone,

 

I am hunting down a McDougall/Currie link, and I am wondering if any of you might have these people in your respective trees, plus further information.

 

Euphemia (Effie) Currie married Hugh McDougal at Kilmeny in 1855, and they had a daughter named Anne in 1860. There might be other children, I am not sure.

 

The other items I am not sure of are Hugh's parents and Effie's parents. As everyone well knows, the number of McDougalls and Curries on Islay makes this extremely difficult to follow. My own Jura McDougalls went to Islay in the 1840s, also muddying the waters a bit.

 

Any information, or leads for me to research further, that you may have regarding Hugh, Euphemia (Effie) and their children would be greatly appreciated.

 

Many thanks and all the best,

 

Chris

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:

Anne, that's great that you & Janet have confirmed links & solidified some connections.

I have to climb out of the tree for a bit as I have other commitments looming. Happy hunting to all~
Jan


Re: John Murdoch + Islay emigrants

candy@...
 

I got quite excited when this popped on on my emails mentioning John Murdoch of Islay.  Then realised it was not my Rev John Murdoch first pastor of the Round Church in Bowmore.  He had 11 children and only know of 2 marriages, the one of which I descended (Thomas) and Charlotte who married who married Neil Currie. They had a John b 1771 and two other males Archibald 1758 and Patrick 1768. The last two children would have been born on Islay (John 1771 and Jean 1772) as he only arrived on Islay around 1769.  

Wondering if maybe this John Murdoch you mention would some connection.  I have heard of this John a few times, but as I have been unable to conclusively find any indication of marriages or deaths of Rev John's children so far it would be hard to tell.  

Will need to get back to this side of the family and see what I can find.


Re Toni's email,: [Islay] John Murdoch + Islay emigrants

Marion Larmer
 

Your Email is most interesting.
My McDougald and Campbell ancestors came from Nosbridge   and Mulindry, Parish of Bowmore
in 1841 and 1847.It is always good to read info on that area.
Thanks -and all the best to you-Toni.
Marion Larmer






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Re: John Murdoch + Islay emigrants

John Kemplen
 

Hi Toni

Would it be possible for you to share with us images of the handwritten place and person names, which would allow us to make our own guesses about the letters making up the words?  Some of us are quite used to the letter combinations that you tend to get in Gaelic.  My initial guess about the lady's name would be Ceit Ruadh (Red-headed Kate).

Regards

John


On 14/02/2021 18:39, tsinclair@... wrote:
Hello everyone, and Happy (?) Valentine's Day

I've been reading "For the People's Cause" by James Hunter, based the writings of John Murdoch, Highland and Irish Land Reformer.  Much of his boyhood was spent on Islay, and eventually returned there as an Excise man.  Murdoch wrote about Islay frequently, and Chapter 5, "An Islay Clearance 1859" seems to be completely Murdoch's own perspective.  The book also covers his passion for desperate living conditions throughout the highlands, the unfair treatment of the crofters, and his involvement with "The Highlander" a newspaper echoing his beliefs.  In1879/80 he came to North America where he met up with several Islay emigrants to see for himself how they were faring and to get their impressions of their homeland from their new perspective, which he later wrote about in his editorials.

However, the book seems to cover only excerpts of this travel journal. In Glasgow (probably Mitchell Library) a few years ago, I got my hands on a handwritten copy of the journal of this trip, and was allowed to photocopy a few pages, and I photographed some more pages which were relevant to my own research. In it he refers on two occasions to a place on Islay - once to John Sinclair, son of Neil Sinclair of Torranhungari (sp?), and also "Here we had several of the Torrantungary (sp?) Sinclairs and the sons of Cest Ruadh (sp?) and her husband Donald Brown, originally from Teana shefoi_g (spelling actually could be anything).  Does anyone in this group know about this Brown family?   I know that the above Neil and family lived at Neriby farm before emigrating to Ontario in 1842/43.  Their oldest daughter, Catherine married Donald Brown in May of 1829, and their oldest son, Dugald was born there in 1832.  The Browns emigrated first to Cape Breton in 1833 and the rest of their children were born there. Later (1850s) they migrated to Fenelon township, Ontario to join the Sinclair family when old Neil died.


I've looked everywhere for "Torranhungary" on old Islay maps and tenant lists, but can't find it anywhere.  Could this be a Gaelic version of Neriby or another township in that vicinity?   He was certainly an advocate for saving the Gaelic language!


Finally, I'll try to read any other name I can find on these pages, and type up a list of them.  If any of you recognise them, I'll be happy to give you any further details which Murdoch mentioned.
Toni



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Re: John Murdoch + Islay emigrants

Sue Visser
 

Just grasping at straws here ...

The Torra River (north of Glenegedale) - perhaps that's the first part.

Ruadh - red haired?

Perhaps some help from Gaelic speakers can solve a couple of the problems.

Interesting project - good luck,
Sue Visser

-----Original Message-----
From: tsinclair@nexicom.net
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 1:39 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] John Murdoch + Islay emigrants

Hello everyone, and Happy (?) Valentine's Day

I've been reading "For the People's Cause" by James Hunter, based the
writings of John Murdoch, Highland and Irish Land Reformer. Much of
his boyhood was spent on Islay, and eventually returned there as an
Excise man. Murdoch wrote about Islay frequently, and Chapter 5, "An
Islay Clearance 1859" seems to be completely Murdoch's own
perspective. The book also covers his passion for desperate living
conditions throughout the highlands, the unfair treatment of the
crofters, and his involvement with "The Highlander" a newspaper
echoing his beliefs. In1879/80 he came to North America where he met
up with several Islay emigrants to see for himself how they were
faring and to get their impressions of their homeland from their new
perspective, which he later wrote about in his editorials.

However, the book seems to cover only excerpts of this travel journal.
In Glasgow (probably Mitchell Library) a few years ago, I got my
hands on a handwritten copy of the journal of this trip, and was
allowed to photocopy a few pages, and I photographed some more pages
which were relevant to my own research. In it he refers on two
occasions to a place on Islay - once to John Sinclair, son of Neil
Sinclair of Torranhungari (sp?), and also "Here we had several of the
Torrantungary (sp?) Sinclairs and the sons of Cest Ruadh (sp?) and her
husband Donald Brown, originally from Teana shefoi_g (spelling
actually could be anything). Does anyone in this group know about
this Brown family? I know that the above Neil and family lived at
Neriby farm before emigrating to Ontario in 1842/43. Their oldest
daughter, Catherine married Donald Brown in May of 1829, and their
oldest son, Dugald was born there in 1832. The Browns emigrated first
to Cape Breton in 1833 and the rest of their children were born there.
Later (1850s) they migrated to Fenelon township, Ontario to join the
Sinclair family when old Neil died.


I've looked everywhere for "Torranhungary" on old Islay maps and
tenant lists, but can't find it anywhere. Could this be a Gaelic
version of Neriby or another township in that vicinity? He was
certainly an advocate for saving the Gaelic language!


Finally, I'll try to read any other name I can find on these pages,
and type up a list of them. If any of you recognise them, I'll be
happy to give you any further details which Murdoch mentioned.
Toni


John Murdoch + Islay emigrants

tsinclair@...
 

Hello everyone, and Happy (?) Valentine's Day

I've been reading "For the People's Cause" by James Hunter, based the writings of John Murdoch, Highland and Irish Land Reformer. Much of his boyhood was spent on Islay, and eventually returned there as an Excise man. Murdoch wrote about Islay frequently, and Chapter 5, "An Islay Clearance 1859" seems to be completely Murdoch's own perspective. The book also covers his passion for desperate living conditions throughout the highlands, the unfair treatment of the crofters, and his involvement with "The Highlander" a newspaper echoing his beliefs. In1879/80 he came to North America where he met up with several Islay emigrants to see for himself how they were faring and to get their impressions of their homeland from their new perspective, which he later wrote about in his editorials.

However, the book seems to cover only excerpts of this travel journal. In Glasgow (probably Mitchell Library) a few years ago, I got my hands on a handwritten copy of the journal of this trip, and was allowed to photocopy a few pages, and I photographed some more pages which were relevant to my own research. In it he refers on two occasions to a place on Islay - once to John Sinclair, son of Neil Sinclair of Torranhungari (sp?), and also "Here we had several of the Torrantungary (sp?) Sinclairs and the sons of Cest Ruadh (sp?) and her husband Donald Brown, originally from Teana shefoi_g (spelling actually could be anything). Does anyone in this group know about this Brown family? I know that the above Neil and family lived at Neriby farm before emigrating to Ontario in 1842/43. Their oldest daughter, Catherine married Donald Brown in May of 1829, and their oldest son, Dugald was born there in 1832. The Browns emigrated first to Cape Breton in 1833 and the rest of their children were born there. Later (1850s) they migrated to Fenelon township, Ontario to join the Sinclair family when old Neil died.


I've looked everywhere for "Torranhungary" on old Islay maps and tenant lists, but can't find it anywhere. Could this be a Gaelic version of Neriby or another township in that vicinity? He was certainly an advocate for saving the Gaelic language!


Finally, I'll try to read any other name I can find on these pages, and type up a list of them. If any of you recognise them, I'll be happy to give you any further details which Murdoch mentioned.
Toni


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Tricia
 


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Tricia
 


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Chris MacDougall
 

Hi Iain,

Many thanks for sending this to me! I greatly appreciate it. I will be reviewing this in detail, and expanding to include my Jura ancestors that migrated to Islay in the 1840s.

Thank you again!

All the best,

Chris

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:34 AM Iain MacIntosh <port.wemyss@...> wrote:

Hi Chris

Christ: I tried to get on to Ted Larson’s pages on Rootsweb, but encountered an error. 

I have attached an Excel spreadsheet of this data which  I downloaded a number of years ago from Steve’s site.

 

Regards

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: 12 February 2021 17:44
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help

 

Hello everyone,

 

I am hunting down a McDougall/Currie link, and I am wondering if any of you might have these people in your respective trees, plus further information.

 

Euphemia (Effie) Currie married Hugh McDougal at Kilmeny in 1855, and they had a daughter named Anne in 1860. There might be other children, I am not sure.

 

The other items I am not sure of are Hugh's parents and Effie's parents. As everyone well knows, the number of McDougalls and Curries on Islay makes this extremely difficult to follow. My own Jura McDougalls went to Islay in the 1840s, also muddying the waters a bit.

 

Any information, or leads for me to research further, that you may have regarding Hugh, Euphemia (Effie) and their children would be greatly appreciated.

 

Many thanks and all the best,

 

Chris

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:

Anne, that's great that you & Janet have confirmed links & solidified some connections.

I have to climb out of the tree for a bit as I have other commitments looming. Happy hunting to all~
Jan


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Iain MacIntosh
 

Hi Chris

Christ: I tried to get on to Ted Larson’s pages on Rootsweb, but encountered an error. 

I have attached an Excel spreadsheet of this data which  I downloaded a number of years ago from Steve’s site.

 

Regards

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: 12 February 2021 17:44
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help

 

Hello everyone,

 

I am hunting down a McDougall/Currie link, and I am wondering if any of you might have these people in your respective trees, plus further information.

 

Euphemia (Effie) Currie married Hugh McDougal at Kilmeny in 1855, and they had a daughter named Anne in 1860. There might be other children, I am not sure.

 

The other items I am not sure of are Hugh's parents and Effie's parents. As everyone well knows, the number of McDougalls and Curries on Islay makes this extremely difficult to follow. My own Jura McDougalls went to Islay in the 1840s, also muddying the waters a bit.

 

Any information, or leads for me to research further, that you may have regarding Hugh, Euphemia (Effie) and their children would be greatly appreciated.

 

Many thanks and all the best,

 

Chris

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:

Anne, that's great that you & Janet have confirmed links & solidified some connections.

I have to climb out of the tree for a bit as I have other commitments looming. Happy hunting to all~
Jan


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Iain MacIntosh
 

Hi Chris

You can find other children of this family in the births pages of the late  Ted Larson’s pages which are linked through Steve Gilchrist’s webpages on Rootsweb.  http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tlarson/bdm/

 

As their youngest was born in 1872, you will probably be able to search for High and Euphemia’s deaths on Scotlandspeople website.  As they would be statutory death records (1855 onwards), they will give you the parents names.

 

Good luck

 

Iain MacIntosh

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io <Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: 12 February 2021 17:44
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Currie / McVurich - please help

 

Hello everyone,

 

I am hunting down a McDougall/Currie link, and I am wondering if any of you might have these people in your respective trees, plus further information.

 

Euphemia (Effie) Currie married Hugh McDougal at Kilmeny in 1855, and they had a daughter named Anne in 1860. There might be other children, I am not sure.

 

The other items I am not sure of are Hugh's parents and Effie's parents. As everyone well knows, the number of McDougalls and Curries on Islay makes this extremely difficult to follow. My own Jura McDougalls went to Islay in the 1840s, also muddying the waters a bit.

 

Any information, or leads for me to research further, that you may have regarding Hugh, Euphemia (Effie) and their children would be greatly appreciated.

 

Many thanks and all the best,

 

Chris

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:

Anne, that's great that you & Janet have confirmed links & solidified some connections.

I have to climb out of the tree for a bit as I have other commitments looming. Happy hunting to all~
Jan


Re: Currie / McVurich - please help

Chris MacDougall
 

Hello everyone,

I am hunting down a McDougall/Currie link, and I am wondering if any of you might have these people in your respective trees, plus further information.

Euphemia (Effie) Currie married Hugh McDougal at Kilmeny in 1855, and they had a daughter named Anne in 1860. There might be other children, I am not sure.

The other items I am not sure of are Hugh's parents and Effie's parents. As everyone well knows, the number of McDougalls and Curries on Islay makes this extremely difficult to follow. My own Jura McDougalls went to Islay in the 1840s, also muddying the waters a bit.

Any information, or leads for me to research further, that you may have regarding Hugh, Euphemia (Effie) and their children would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks and all the best,

Chris

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM Janice McClelland <jan.mcclelland888@...> wrote:
Anne, that's great that you & Janet have confirmed links & solidified some connections.

I have to climb out of the tree for a bit as I have other commitments looming. Happy hunting to all~
Jan


Re: Coultersay, Islay

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks Cas,

I would love to see it some day.

Glynn

 

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From: Cas Houston
Sent: February 12, 2021 1:18 AM
To: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Coultersay, Islay

 

Hi,

> Coultersay - It is a lovely spot with an open view to Loch Indaal and

> is named clearly with a sign at the entrance road on "Street View" on

> Google maps .

> Regards

> Charles Houston

 

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Re: Coultersay

Glynn Currie
 

Thanks Ian,

I appreciate your assistance.

Glynn Currie

Vancouver Island, Canada.

 

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From: Ian McEachern
Sent: February 11, 2021 4:47 PM
To: islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: [Islay] Coultersay

 

Hello Glynn,

I have two maps of Islay, both clearly show Coultersay.

Must be a pretty place.

Ian McEachern

Western Australia

 

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Re: Coultersay, Islay

Cas Houston
 

Hi,

Coultersay - It is a lovely spot with an open view to Loch Indaal and is named clearly with a sign at the entrance road on "Street View" on Google maps .

Regards

Charles Houston
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Coultersay

Ian McEachern
 

Hello Glynn,

I have two maps of Islay, both clearly show Coultersay.

Must be a pretty place.

Ian McEachern

Western Australia




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