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Jack Puttenham's Islay ancestry chart

Sue Visser
 

Jack Puttenham's Islay ancestry
 
This chart was shared with several of us a couple of years ago.
Thank you Lorne Campbell.
 
Sue Visser


Re: Tried at Islay

Donald Young
 

it may be as simple as that the courthouse was on the island of Islay.
 
Donald Young

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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:26 PM
Subject: [Islay] Tried at Islay
 

My niece investigated the Inveraray Jail records and found my great-great-grandfather John Kennedy “tried at Islay” for assault and breach of the peace on 11th February 1880, and sentenced to 60 days imprisonment.  (He had a previous conviction.)

 

Does anyone have any idea why he would have been “tried at Islay”?

 

His wife was tried on 17th February (for assault by stabbing) by Sheriff Campion and jury, and sentenced to 21 days imprisonment.

 

I believe the technical term is a “domestic”.

 

The jail records can be searched at the bottom of this page https://www.inverarayjail.co.uk/our-history/


Jack Puttenham 1927 - 2020

Sue Visser
 

Many of you won’t recognize Jack Puttenham’s name.  In the early days of the SCT-ISLAY list, as a volunteer librarian at the Hamilton Family History Centre, Jack transcribed all the available Islay BMDs and freely shared them.  A monumental task that helped so many.  I still have the hard copies of those transcriptions and even though the OPRs are available online, I still refer to Jack’s research.  The print outs fill a 3” binder!
 
Jack was a kind and generous person and a GenAngel to many of us. 
 
RIP Jack. 
 
In sympathy to his family and to Lorne and Susan Campbell who I believe are still members of the Islay list.
Sue Visser
 
 
 
 
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Obituary
Saturday October 8th, 1927 – Saturday, June 6th, 2020
PUTTENHAM, John Henry “Jack” 
Saturday, October 8th, 1927 - Saturday, June 6th, 2020
Jack Puttenham passed away peacefully at Extendicare Hamilton on Saturday, June 6, 2020 at the age of 92. Predeceased by his beloved wife Ann Puttenham nee Campbell (2011). Loving father of Valerie Puttenham. Jack will be dearly missed by his extended family and friends. Jack had many varied interests including but not limited to science, technology, news/current events and particularly classical and jazz music and opera. He was also keenly involved in genealogy and was a volunteer librarian at the Hamilton Family History Centre for several years. He worked in the jewellery industry, at the Royal Connaught Hotel, and most notably at Stelco where he worked as a First Class Stationary Engineer up until his retirement in 1988. After he retired he said that you never get a day off. He was very much a great storyteller with a quick wit and a people person - genuinely interested in all people. He enjoyed watching the Hamilton Tiger Cats play. As per his wishes, cremation has taken place. Interment at Boston Mills Cemetery. In memory of Jack, those wishing to make a donation are asked to consider the Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra, the Cancer Assistance Program, Neighbour to Neighbour, Royal Botanical Gardens or a registered charity of your choice.


Tried at Islay

Seymour Hosking
 

My niece investigated the Inveraray Jail records and found my great-great-grandfather John Kennedy “tried at Islay” for assault and breach of the peace on 11th February 1880, and sentenced to 60 days imprisonment.  (He had a previous conviction.)

 

Does anyone have any idea why he would have been “tried at Islay”?

 

His wife was tried on 17th February (for assault by stabbing) by Sheriff Campion and jury, and sentenced to 21 days imprisonment.

 

I believe the technical term is a “domestic”.

 

The jail records can be searched at the bottom of this page https://www.inverarayjail.co.uk/our-history/


Re: Roll call, Gilespie, Bell, et al

Embleton House
 

I am a bit late as well for roll call but my roots run deep in Islay:

 

Angus Bell born Glenegedale Moor, "Kildalton Parish", Islay, Scotland died on March 7 1856 was married to Margaret McFayden born 01 Aug 1777 Kildalton Parish Islay They were married in Bowmore April 17, 1810

 

Their son Neil Bell born January 3 1822Killarrow. He died February 12 1900. The Lotts Kildalton, Islay He married Flora McLugush McLuash 14 Apr 1820 in Killarrow Islay She died October 13 1901 Lochknock Cottage, Ardimersay, Islay, Scotland.

 

Alexander (Sandy) McInnes (my great grandfather) March 17 1846 Bowmore died 15 Mar 1928 Bridgehouse, Killarrow.

 

He married: Mary Bell born the 21 Aug 1852 Loch a Chnoic, Ardimersay, Kildalton, Islay, Scotland

 

Their daughter was Mary McInnes She was my grandmother born 11 Mar 1892 "Loch Knock," Kildalton Parish, Ardimersay, Islay, Scotland died 08 Jun 1989. Peterborough, Ontario Canada

 

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Roll call, Gilespie, Bell, et al

Mac
 

Hi.  I may be a bit late but here are a few names that might be of interest.

John Gilespie (1778-1872)---Catherine Bell (1805-1884)

Dugald Ferguson (1796-1874)----ca 1825----Margaret Bell

Mary MacKenzie (1826-1885)---1852----John Gillespie (1883-1869)     large family


Hope it helps.


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Lynn Seamark
 

To stick my nose in this one

 

This is on Find a Grave for the Nottawasaga Cemetery

 

The stone lists John McLean’s wife as Mary McIntyre who died in 1924

 

DEATH REGISTER
John Allan McLean
Death Date: 9 Oct 1910
Death County or District: Simcoe, Ontario
Cause of death: pneumonia & senility
Age: 73
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Birth Location: Argyle, Scotland
Parents: John Allan McLean & Mary McGillivray
Son, Hector McLean, signed the death register
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
CHILDREN
Hector Mclean 1878 – 1946
Mary Ann Mclean 1879 –
Graham Mclean 1880 –
Peter Mclean 1880 – 1906
John Mclean 1883 –
Elizabeth Mclean 1886 –
Malcolm Mclean 1888 –
Allan Mclean 1890 –
James McLean 1892 – 1988
Margaret McLean 1893 – 1983
Catherine McLean 1895 – 1980
Archibald McLean 1897 – 1980
Barbara Jane McLean 1902 – 1991
Leighton McLean 1902 – 1991


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Chris MacDougall
 

Hi Russ,

The username is helloplanet2000. You took the Big Y test as well? I also took a Big Y test and have found that most of my close matches are actually MacLeans (various spellings).

I do have autosomal matches with McDougalls on Jura back to the early 1700s, so my MacLean overlap likely happens before any established records. Still, it is fun to learn more.

All the best,

Chris

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:07 PM Russ McGillivray <russmcgillivray@...> wrote:

Chris,

As it happens, my closest Y DNA match (Y700 test)  is with a descendant of the Jura McGillivrays, but the match is so far in the past that it was before they got to Jura.

 

Russ

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Russ,

 

I am sorry, but I don't have anything for you just yet in regards to the McLeans and McGilvrays. I did note in the 1901 census of Canada it lists Hector and James as living with their family, but I haven't pieced this part of my tree together very well just yet.

 

The Mary McGillivray in my tree is believed to have been from Islay, but some of the other McGilvrays that went to the Nottawasaga area came from Jura, like my third great grandparents and their family. I went through my copies of the Jura parish records, and the McGillivrays seemed to drop off the map, so to speak, in the 1830s. If it was anything like my ancestors, they moved to Islay to have a better chance to board a ship destined for Canada.

 

Okay, after reviewing my DNA Matches on Ancestry, there is one who has a high number of McGilvrays from Islay, with some going to Simcoe County. This person's tree has Malcolm married to Ann, and two of their children are Malcolm and Bessie. There seems to be some speculation in regards to Malcolm (the father's) siblings and where/when they died. I believe that Mary is actually the sister of Malcolm, though I haven't been able to connect everything just yet. 

 

This person's tree on Ancestry shows an Ann, born 1794, as another sister to Malcolm. They have the date of death correct as 1872, but didn't list the marriage to Alexander McLellan.

 

This sounds like an interesting path to follow further.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

 

 

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:34 AM Russ McGillivray <russmcgillivray@...> wrote:

Chris,

In the 1901 census of Nottawasaga, John and Mary McLean’s grandsons Hector and James McLean are living with Malcolm and Bessie McGilvray and are termed “nephews”. Malcolm and Bessie were siblings, children of Malcolm McGIlvray and Ann McCoag who came to Nottawasaga with most of their family in 1855. Have you determined the exact relationship between the boys and these McGilvrays?

The obvious connection would be if Ann and Malcolm Sr. were siblings. But I place Malcolm Sr. in the family of Donald McGilvray and Ann Ferguson. While he has a sister Ann, that Ann married Alexander McLellan and remained on Islay until her death in 1872. Her parentage is confirmed in the civil death registration.

 

Russ McGillivray

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 7:23 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Jeanette,

 

Like Dorothy, I have Gillespie and Bell in my tree. 

 

I don't have an Ann McGillivray, but I do have a Mary McGillivray, born approx. 1799, who married a John Allan McLean, born approx. 1803. This family moved to Nottawasaga, Ontario, along with my direct line ancestors.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:41 PM Dorothy Bell <dotbell2011@...> wrote:

 

 

I have a Catherine Bell b. abt 1805 Kilchoman Parish, Gearach, Islay, Scotland; d/o Duncan Bell & Mary Sinclair. She married John Gillespie, b. abt 1777 Kilchoman, Islay, Scotland s/o Duncan Gillespie & Mary Catherine McDougall.  They moved to Canada and settled in Minto, Wellington Co., Ontario. Both are buried at Bethel Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington Co., Ontario 

 

 



I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

 

Gillespie & Bell

John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805

They moved to Canada. 

No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

 

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)

John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803

In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister

They moved to Canada.

John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:

James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman

Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

 

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

 

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

 

Glad this mailing list is still going!

 

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

 

Jeanette


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Russ McGillivray
 

Chris,

As it happens, my closest Y DNA match (Y700 test)  is with a descendant of the Jura McGillivrays, but the match is so far in the past that it was before they got to Jura.

 

Russ

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Russ,

 

I am sorry, but I don't have anything for you just yet in regards to the McLeans and McGilvrays. I did note in the 1901 census of Canada it lists Hector and James as living with their family, but I haven't pieced this part of my tree together very well just yet.

 

The Mary McGillivray in my tree is believed to have been from Islay, but some of the other McGilvrays that went to the Nottawasaga area came from Jura, like my third great grandparents and their family. I went through my copies of the Jura parish records, and the McGillivrays seemed to drop off the map, so to speak, in the 1830s. If it was anything like my ancestors, they moved to Islay to have a better chance to board a ship destined for Canada.

 

Okay, after reviewing my DNA Matches on Ancestry, there is one who has a high number of McGilvrays from Islay, with some going to Simcoe County. This person's tree has Malcolm married to Ann, and two of their children are Malcolm and Bessie. There seems to be some speculation in regards to Malcolm (the father's) siblings and where/when they died. I believe that Mary is actually the sister of Malcolm, though I haven't been able to connect everything just yet. 

 

This person's tree on Ancestry shows an Ann, born 1794, as another sister to Malcolm. They have the date of death correct as 1872, but didn't list the marriage to Alexander McLellan.

 

This sounds like an interesting path to follow further.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

 

 

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:34 AM Russ McGillivray <russmcgillivray@...> wrote:

Chris,

In the 1901 census of Nottawasaga, John and Mary McLean’s grandsons Hector and James McLean are living with Malcolm and Bessie McGilvray and are termed “nephews”. Malcolm and Bessie were siblings, children of Malcolm McGIlvray and Ann McCoag who came to Nottawasaga with most of their family in 1855. Have you determined the exact relationship between the boys and these McGilvrays?

The obvious connection would be if Ann and Malcolm Sr. were siblings. But I place Malcolm Sr. in the family of Donald McGilvray and Ann Ferguson. While he has a sister Ann, that Ann married Alexander McLellan and remained on Islay until her death in 1872. Her parentage is confirmed in the civil death registration.

 

Russ McGillivray

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 7:23 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Jeanette,

 

Like Dorothy, I have Gillespie and Bell in my tree. 

 

I don't have an Ann McGillivray, but I do have a Mary McGillivray, born approx. 1799, who married a John Allan McLean, born approx. 1803. This family moved to Nottawasaga, Ontario, along with my direct line ancestors.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:41 PM Dorothy Bell <dotbell2011@...> wrote:

 

 

I have a Catherine Bell b. abt 1805 Kilchoman Parish, Gearach, Islay, Scotland; d/o Duncan Bell & Mary Sinclair. She married John Gillespie, b. abt 1777 Kilchoman, Islay, Scotland s/o Duncan Gillespie & Mary Catherine McDougall.  They moved to Canada and settled in Minto, Wellington Co., Ontario. Both are buried at Bethel Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington Co., Ontario 

 

 



I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

 

Gillespie & Bell

John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805

They moved to Canada. 

No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

 

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)

John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803

In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister

They moved to Canada.

John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:

James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman

Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

 

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

 

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

 

Glad this mailing list is still going!

 

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

 

Jeanette


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Russ McGillivray
 

Chris,

 

What is the username you are matching with in Ancestry?

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Russ,

 

I am sorry, but I don't have anything for you just yet in regards to the McLeans and McGilvrays. I did note in the 1901 census of Canada it lists Hector and James as living with their family, but I haven't pieced this part of my tree together very well just yet.

 

The Mary McGillivray in my tree is believed to have been from Islay, but some of the other McGilvrays that went to the Nottawasaga area came from Jura, like my third great grandparents and their family. I went through my copies of the Jura parish records, and the McGillivrays seemed to drop off the map, so to speak, in the 1830s. If it was anything like my ancestors, they moved to Islay to have a better chance to board a ship destined for Canada.

 

Okay, after reviewing my DNA Matches on Ancestry, there is one who has a high number of McGilvrays from Islay, with some going to Simcoe County. This person's tree has Malcolm married to Ann, and two of their children are Malcolm and Bessie. There seems to be some speculation in regards to Malcolm (the father's) siblings and where/when they died. I believe that Mary is actually the sister of Malcolm, though I haven't been able to connect everything just yet. 

 

This person's tree on Ancestry shows an Ann, born 1794, as another sister to Malcolm. They have the date of death correct as 1872, but didn't list the marriage to Alexander McLellan.

 

This sounds like an interesting path to follow further.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

 

 

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:34 AM Russ McGillivray <russmcgillivray@...> wrote:

Chris,

In the 1901 census of Nottawasaga, John and Mary McLean’s grandsons Hector and James McLean are living with Malcolm and Bessie McGilvray and are termed “nephews”. Malcolm and Bessie were siblings, children of Malcolm McGIlvray and Ann McCoag who came to Nottawasaga with most of their family in 1855. Have you determined the exact relationship between the boys and these McGilvrays?

The obvious connection would be if Ann and Malcolm Sr. were siblings. But I place Malcolm Sr. in the family of Donald McGilvray and Ann Ferguson. While he has a sister Ann, that Ann married Alexander McLellan and remained on Islay until her death in 1872. Her parentage is confirmed in the civil death registration.

 

Russ McGillivray

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 7:23 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Jeanette,

 

Like Dorothy, I have Gillespie and Bell in my tree. 

 

I don't have an Ann McGillivray, but I do have a Mary McGillivray, born approx. 1799, who married a John Allan McLean, born approx. 1803. This family moved to Nottawasaga, Ontario, along with my direct line ancestors.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:41 PM Dorothy Bell <dotbell2011@...> wrote:

 

 

I have a Catherine Bell b. abt 1805 Kilchoman Parish, Gearach, Islay, Scotland; d/o Duncan Bell & Mary Sinclair. She married John Gillespie, b. abt 1777 Kilchoman, Islay, Scotland s/o Duncan Gillespie & Mary Catherine McDougall.  They moved to Canada and settled in Minto, Wellington Co., Ontario. Both are buried at Bethel Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington Co., Ontario 

 

 



I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

 

Gillespie & Bell

John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805

They moved to Canada. 

No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

 

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)

John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803

In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister

They moved to Canada.

John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:

James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman

Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

 

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

 

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

 

Glad this mailing list is still going!

 

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

 

Jeanette


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Chris MacDougall
 

Hi Russ,

I am sorry, but I don't have anything for you just yet in regards to the McLeans and McGilvrays. I did note in the 1901 census of Canada it lists Hector and James as living with their family, but I haven't pieced this part of my tree together very well just yet.

The Mary McGillivray in my tree is believed to have been from Islay, but some of the other McGilvrays that went to the Nottawasaga area came from Jura, like my third great grandparents and their family. I went through my copies of the Jura parish records, and the McGillivrays seemed to drop off the map, so to speak, in the 1830s. If it was anything like my ancestors, they moved to Islay to have a better chance to board a ship destined for Canada.

Okay, after reviewing my DNA Matches on Ancestry, there is one who has a high number of McGilvrays from Islay, with some going to Simcoe County. This person's tree has Malcolm married to Ann, and two of their children are Malcolm and Bessie. There seems to be some speculation in regards to Malcolm (the father's) siblings and where/when they died. I believe that Mary is actually the sister of Malcolm, though I haven't been able to connect everything just yet. 

This person's tree on Ancestry shows an Ann, born 1794, as another sister to Malcolm. They have the date of death correct as 1872, but didn't list the marriage to Alexander McLellan.

This sounds like an interesting path to follow further.

All the best,

Chris



On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:34 AM Russ McGillivray <russmcgillivray@...> wrote:

Chris,

In the 1901 census of Nottawasaga, John and Mary McLean’s grandsons Hector and James McLean are living with Malcolm and Bessie McGilvray and are termed “nephews”. Malcolm and Bessie were siblings, children of Malcolm McGIlvray and Ann McCoag who came to Nottawasaga with most of their family in 1855. Have you determined the exact relationship between the boys and these McGilvrays?

The obvious connection would be if Ann and Malcolm Sr. were siblings. But I place Malcolm Sr. in the family of Donald McGilvray and Ann Ferguson. While he has a sister Ann, that Ann married Alexander McLellan and remained on Islay until her death in 1872. Her parentage is confirmed in the civil death registration.

 

Russ McGillivray

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 7:23 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Jeanette,

 

Like Dorothy, I have Gillespie and Bell in my tree. 

 

I don't have an Ann McGillivray, but I do have a Mary McGillivray, born approx. 1799, who married a John Allan McLean, born approx. 1803. This family moved to Nottawasaga, Ontario, along with my direct line ancestors.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:41 PM Dorothy Bell <dotbell2011@...> wrote:

 



I have a Catherine Bell b. abt 1805 Kilchoman Parish, Gearach, Islay, Scotland; d/o Duncan Bell & Mary Sinclair. She married John Gillespie, b. abt 1777 Kilchoman, Islay, Scotland s/o Duncan Gillespie & Mary Catherine McDougall.  They moved to Canada and settled in Minto, Wellington Co., Ontario. Both are buried at Bethel Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington Co., Ontario 



 



I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

 

Gillespie & Bell

John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805

They moved to Canada. 

No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

 

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)

John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803

In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister

They moved to Canada.

John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:

James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman

Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

 

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

 

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

 

Glad this mailing list is still going!

 

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

 

Jeanette


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Jeanette Kennedy
 

Hi Dorothy,
Thanks for connecting! I'd love to know your source for Catherine Bell being the daughter of Duncan Bell and Mary Sinclair. Is it a birth or baptism record?  

There are a lot of trees on Ancestry.com that claim Duncan Bell and Mary McIntyre as parents with no proof cited or linked. Maybe there is a birth or baptism record no one has in their tree? They do seem to think she was born about 1802. I think these trees are in error, however, as they got her birth of 1802 from an 1851 Canadian census and I have her in Scotland still for the 1851 census. So I don't believe these trees.

I found a possible baptism for a Catherine Bell Jan 13, 1805 parents John Bell and Catherine McNiven. Age is about right given later census. 

Any additional insights about your Duncan Bell and Mary Sinclair would be much appreciated!!  My email is jkc_kennedy@....

Thanks, Jeanette


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Russ McGillivray
 

Chris,

In the 1901 census of Nottawasaga, John and Mary McLean’s grandsons Hector and James McLean are living with Malcolm and Bessie McGilvray and are termed “nephews”. Malcolm and Bessie were siblings, children of Malcolm McGIlvray and Ann McCoag who came to Nottawasaga with most of their family in 1855. Have you determined the exact relationship between the boys and these McGilvrays?

The obvious connection would be if Ann and Malcolm Sr. were siblings. But I place Malcolm Sr. in the family of Donald McGilvray and Ann Ferguson. While he has a sister Ann, that Ann married Alexander McLellan and remained on Islay until her death in 1872. Her parentage is confirmed in the civil death registration.

 

Russ McGillivray

 

 

From: Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io [mailto:Islay@Scotland-Genealogy.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris MacDougall
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 7:23 PM
To: Islay@scotland-genealogy.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Islay] Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

 

Hi Jeanette,

 

Like Dorothy, I have Gillespie and Bell in my tree. 

 

I don't have an Ann McGillivray, but I do have a Mary McGillivray, born approx. 1799, who married a John Allan McLean, born approx. 1803. This family moved to Nottawasaga, Ontario, along with my direct line ancestors.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:41 PM Dorothy Bell <dotbell2011@...> wrote:

 



I have a Catherine Bell b. abt 1805 Kilchoman Parish, Gearach, Islay, Scotland; d/o Duncan Bell & Mary Sinclair. She married John Gillespie, b. abt 1777 Kilchoman, Islay, Scotland s/o Duncan Gillespie & Mary Catherine McDougall.  They moved to Canada and settled in Minto, Wellington Co., Ontario. Both are buried at Bethel Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington Co., Ontario 



 



I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

 

Gillespie & Bell

John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805

They moved to Canada. 

No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

 

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)

John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803

In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister

They moved to Canada.

John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:

James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman

Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

 

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

 

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

 

Glad this mailing list is still going!

 

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

 

Jeanette


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Chris MacDougall
 

Hi Jeanette,

Like Dorothy, I have Gillespie and Bell in my tree. 

I don't have an Ann McGillivray, but I do have a Mary McGillivray, born approx. 1799, who married a John Allan McLean, born approx. 1803. This family moved to Nottawasaga, Ontario, along with my direct line ancestors.

All the best,

Chris

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:41 PM Dorothy Bell <dotbell2011@...> wrote:



I have a Catherine Bell b. abt 1805 Kilchoman Parish, Gearach, Islay, Scotland; d/o Duncan Bell & Mary Sinclair. She married John Gillespie, b. abt 1777 Kilchoman, Islay, Scotland s/o Duncan Gillespie & Mary Catherine McDougall.  They moved to Canada and settled in Minto, Wellington Co., Ontario. Both are buried at Bethel Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington Co., Ontario 



I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

Gillespie & Bell
John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805
They moved to Canada. 
No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)
John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803
In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister
They moved to Canada.
John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:
James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman
Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

Glad this mailing list is still going!

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

Jeanette


Re: Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Dorothy Bell
 




I have a Catherine Bell b. abt 1805 Kilchoman Parish, Gearach, Islay, Scotland; d/o Duncan Bell & Mary Sinclair. She married John Gillespie, b. abt 1777 Kilchoman, Islay, Scotland s/o Duncan Gillespie & Mary Catherine McDougall.  They moved to Canada and settled in Minto, Wellington Co., Ontario. Both are buried at Bethel Pioneer Cemetery, Wellington Co., Ontario 



I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

Gillespie & Bell
John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805
They moved to Canada. 
No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)
John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803
In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister
They moved to Canada.
John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:
James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman
Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

Glad this mailing list is still going!

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

Jeanette


Roll Call -- Gillespie, Bell, McGillivray, White or Whyte, McDermid, Heyman

Jeanette Kennedy
 

I'm a bit late to join in the roll call but am interested in finding others with interests in these families:

Gillespie & Bell
John Gillespie b. Abt 1777 m. Catherine Bell b. Abt 1805
They moved to Canada. 
No good info on their parents. Speculate maybe John Bell and Catherine McNiven as Catherine's parents but other trees attribute other parents to her.

White & McGillivray (and McDermid, Heyman)
John White b. Abt 1811 m. in 1830 Ann McGillivray b. Abt 1803
In marriage record John in Skibba and Ann in Ellister
They moved to Canada.
John White possible father, living with him in 1841 census:
James White b. Abt 1851 Kilchoman, d. 1856 Ballymenach, parents Finlay White and Jane Heyman
Possible sisters (daughters of James White): Catherine White m. Donald McIntyre and Flora White m. Duncan McIntyre (brothers)

Possible sisters to Ann McGillivray: Mary m. Alexander Jamieson and Effy (Euphemia) m. James McIntyre

Possible mother to Ann McGillivray: Euphemia Effy McTaggart (not sure that's her maiden name); she's living with possible sister Mary in 1851 (Mary's mother)

Glad this mailing list is still going!

I know there are a lot of McGillivray researchers in particular on this list, so hoping to make some progress on that family if I can.

Jeanette


Irwin-Carmichael Birthday Book - beginnning in Victoria County, Ontario, Canada

M. Diane Rogers
 

Hi, everyone, 

I've been participating in a Family History Challenge this month, mostly blogging about family treasures. Some of you will remember I published an index quite a long time ago to my great grandmother, Janet Carmichael's, Birthday Book. She was from the area of Islay, Ontario, Canada and in 1881 she and her husband, William Irwin, went west to live in what became Newdale, Manitoba. She was given the Book then, and many family members and friends signed it for her.
Her daughter, my grandmother Amy Irwin (married name, Scott), later kept the book up, so there are Manitoba and later British Columbia names and dates, even me! 

I've redone the list and published it on my blog. And I'm rescanning - carefully - all the Birthday Book pages. 

If you see a likely name, let me know. I'll send you a copy of the page. Most of the older entries have signatures. Some a little verse or message.


Diane 
M. Diane Rogers 
CanadaGenealogy, or, Jane's Your Aunt: https://canadagenealogy.blogspot.com/ 


Re: Mysteries and other novels set on Islay?

Sharee Hughes
 

What a great idea, Rosemary. I hadn't thought of that, since the libraries are all closed. But I definitely will check that out. I have already read the other two ad enjoyed them both. I liked the cat one better than The Peat Dead.

Sharee

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 6:12 AM Rosemary Abbey <roseabbmaillist@...> wrote:
It might be worth checking out your local library to see if they have a copy that you could borrow and read.
A local library not far from where I live has a copy, so once libraries open again, I will be placing a reservation on the title.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:48 AM Sharee Hughes <shareehughes1@...> wrote:
Where so you live, Carolyn? If you're i the US, maybe you could loan it out to people. Book rate isn't very expensive to mail. I's be willing to pay for you to send it to me. then maybe someone else would like to read it and we can pass it around. Sound like a winner? The Peat Dead was a pretty interesting story and I just started the other one  that now has a new name.

Sharee

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:17 AM Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@...> wrote:
Sorry..I've had a copy for years. Plan to read again.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sharee Hughes <shareehughes1@...> wrote:
Amazon has a copy of that book for $112.87. A little steep for my blood. Must be rare.

Sharee

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:14 AM Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@...> wrote:
The Last Letter  Margaret Pemberton


Re: Mysteries and other novels set on Islay?

Rosemary Abbey
 

It might be worth checking out your local library to see if they have a copy that you could borrow and read.
A local library not far from where I live has a copy, so once libraries open again, I will be placing a reservation on the title.


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:48 AM Sharee Hughes <shareehughes1@...> wrote:
Where so you live, Carolyn? If you're i the US, maybe you could loan it out to people. Book rate isn't very expensive to mail. I's be willing to pay for you to send it to me. then maybe someone else would like to read it and we can pass it around. Sound like a winner? The Peat Dead was a pretty interesting story and I just started the other one  that now has a new name.

Sharee

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:17 AM Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@...> wrote:
Sorry..I've had a copy for years. Plan to read again.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sharee Hughes <shareehughes1@...> wrote:
Amazon has a copy of that book for $112.87. A little steep for my blood. Must be rare.

Sharee

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:14 AM Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@...> wrote:
The Last Letter  Margaret Pemberton


Re: Mysteries and other novels set on Islay?

Carolyn Harmon
 

Maybe once I have a chance to read it again..I'm in the middle of a couple of projects so it will probably be a couple of wees.

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:48 AM Sharee Hughes <shareehughes1@...> wrote:
Where so you live, Carolyn? If you're i the US, maybe you could loan it out to people. Book rate isn't very expensive to mail. I's be willing to pay for you to send it to me. then maybe someone else would like to read it and we can pass it around. Sound like a winner? The Peat Dead was a pretty interesting story and I just started the other one  that now has a new name.

Sharee

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:17 AM Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@...> wrote:
Sorry..I've had a copy for years. Plan to read again.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sharee Hughes <shareehughes1@...> wrote:
Amazon has a copy of that book for $112.87. A little steep for my blood. Must be rare.

Sharee

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:14 AM Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@...> wrote:
The Last Letter  Margaret Pemberton